Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-07-06

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 6 Ioylioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

* Eisagwgikws sas enhmerwsw oti ypebale thn paraithsh toy, gia proswpikoys logoys, o k. Strathghs, apo thn proedria ths Organwtikhs Epitrophs ths Olympiadas toy 2004. O antikatastaths toy qa epilegei tis epomenes hmeres.

* Qa moy epitrecete, epishs, na kanw ena sxolio, me aformh ayto poy eipe o ekproswpos ths Neas Dhmokratias, oson afora ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias. Dhlwse: "allo to proswpo toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias, ayto to opoio sebomaste kai allo h politikh sygkyria". Einai lejh pros lejh ayto to opoio eipe o ekproswpos ths N. D. Kai ayto apodeiknyei, me peritrano tropo, oti h N. D. prospaqei na xrhsimopoihsei, toso to qesmo ths Proedrias ths Dhmokratias, oso kai to proswpo toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias -para to oti dhlwnei sebasmo gia to proswpo ayto- ypagagontas ta kai synartwntas ta amesws me thn politikh sygkyria. Me tis epiloges, dhladh, tis politikes kai kommatikes poy prokeitai na kanei se mia dedomenh politikh stigmh. Ayto kata thn apoch moy deixnei plhrh aneyqynothta kai ypokrisia apo thn pleyra ths N. D.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

KARGOYDH: Maqainoyme apo thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph oti yparxoyn dyskolies sthn oristikopoihsh ths apofashs, poy elhfqh sth Synodo Koryfhs sto Rio, gia thn anaqesh ths edras sth Qessalonikh toy Organismoy Anasygkrothshs twn Balkaniwn. Yparxoyn sobares antirrhseis kai oi plhrofories lene oti to olo egxeirhma piqanon kai na anatrapei. Ti apantate;

REPPAS: To egxeirhma den qa anatrapei. H apofash einai isxyrh. Yparxoyn antidraseis, problhmatismoi kai enstaseis poy ekdhlwnontai. Ola ayta qa apotelesoyn antikeimeno syzhthshs, thn epomenh Pempth, sto COREPEER. Metajy twn allwn, aytes tis hmeres, kata th diarkeia ths paroysias toy k. Kranidiwth -o opoios qa exei kai kat` idian synanthseis me ekproswpoys ths E. E. gia to qema ayto- sth synedriash toy Eyrwpaikoy Sosialistikoy Kommatos, qa doqei h dynatothta na apanthsoyme me peistiko kai oristiko tropo stoys paragontes ekeinoys, oi opoioi amfisbhtoyn thn ajia kai thn orqothta ayths ths epiloghs ths Qessalonikhs, ws edras toy forea gia thn anasygkrothsh twn Balkaniwn. Qa epishmanoyme oti h politikh gia thn anasygkrothsh den afora mono to Kossyfopedio, alla to synolo ths perioxhs, ola ta balkanika krath kai oti h Qessalonikh einai ayth, h opoia -pera apo typikoys logoys, pera dhladh apo thn apofash h opoia exei hdh lhfqei se epipedo koryfhs- antapokrinetai plhrws stis prodiagrafes poy apaitoyntai, prokeimenoy na leitoyrghsei apotelesmatika enas tetoios neos foreas. Pisteyw oti ola qa pane kala sto telos. Qa jeperastoyn ta opoia problhmata dhmioyrgoyntai apo foreis, oi opoioi exoyn, pragmatika, mia diaforetikh proseggish.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, einai dynaton na anaklhqei mia tetoia apofash, h opoia exei lhfqei;

REPPAS: Gi ayto akribws eipa oti h apofash ayth exei lhfqei kai qa efarmostei.

MIXAHL: Poioi einai aytoi poy fernoyn antirrhseis kai ti eidoys antirrhseis einai aytes;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti h Epitroph, dia toy ekproswpoy ths, eixe mia allh proseggish, prin lhfqei ayth h apofash. Paramenei se ayth th qesh ena tmhma ths Epitrophs. Alla, bebaiws kai emeis ajiopoioyme ta "opla" poy exoyme sth diaqesh mas, prokeimenoy na efarmostei h apofash poy elaban oi hgetes sto Rio nte Tzaneiro. Epanalambanw oti h apofash ayth prepei na efarmostei oxi gia logoys typikoys, epeidh thn exoyn labei oi hgetes twn xwrwn ths E. E., alla epeidh h Qessalonikh antapokrinetai stis prodiagrafes poy apaitoyntai gia th leitoyrgia enos tetoioy forea.

MIXAHL: Poia Epitroph; Kat` arxhn h Epitroph exei paraithqei kai paei na ginei mia kainoyrgia Epitroph.

REPPAS: Yparxoyn paragontes oi opoioi -estw yphresiakw tw tropw- ayth thn wra askoyn ta kaqhkonta toys. Gnwrizete poly kala oti yparxei Epitroph. Den einai akefalh h Commission. Gnwrizete poly kala oti mexri thn analhch twn kaqhkontwn apo toys neoys Epitropoys, yparxei mia synexeia kai to keno ayto kalyptoyn oi Epitropoi poy synexizoyn na askoyn ta kaqhkonta toys.

MIXAHL: Ektima h kybernhsh oti pisw apo ayth thn emmonh twn yphresiakwn paragontwn ths Commission yparxoyn kapoies xwres, oi opoies den qa hqelan, an kai o hgeths toys eipe "nai" telika;

REPPAS: Polles ypoqeseis mporei na kanei kapoios. Ayto to opoio einai bebaio, einai oti exei lhfqei se epipedo Koryfhs omofwnws mia tetoia apofash. Den diatypwqhke opoiadhpote antirrhsh. Oi yphresiakoi paragontes mporei na exoyn th dikh toys apoch. Gnwrizete poly kala oti h Synodos Koryfhs sto Rio eishghqhke sthn Epitroph na diatypwsei mia tetoia telikh qesh pros to Symboylio Genikwn Ypoqesewn. H qesh ayth twn hgetwn ths E. E. einai isxyrh kai ayth qa efarmostei. Ayto einai safes. To oti yparxoyn kapoia problhmata, pisteyw oti ayto kai mono apodeiknyei, me peritrano tropo, to poso shmantiko epiteygma einai gia thn Ellada h epilogh ths Qessalonikhs. Einai, dhladh, mia apofash, h opoia, bebaiws, gia na lhfqei apaithqhke megalh prospaqeia apo thn pleyra ths xwras mas kai ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs. Einai mia apofash, poy enw exei lhfqei, blepete oti synanta akomh apo mia orismenh merida paragontwn ths E. E. antidraseis. Ayto deixnei oti pragmatika h epilogh ayth einai para poly shmantikh, wste na ginetai stoxos apo ekeinoys, oi opoioi den qeloyn na telesforhsei kai na efarmostei ayth h apofash. Emeis qa perifroyrhsoyme to eqniko symferon, alla kai thn politikh apofash poy exei lhfqei gia thn anasygkrothsh twn Balkaniwn. Ayth einai h qesh sthn opoia paramenoyme staqera kai ametakinhta.

KARGOYDH: Dhladh, h diafwnia, estw kat` epifash, estiazetai sth zwnh drasthriothtwn toy Organismoy htoi oi men poy aporriptoyn th Qessalonikh qeloyn na perioristei sto Kossyfopedio kai oi de poy dexontai th Qessalonikh qeloyn na dieyrynqei;

REPPAS: Antilambaneste pws kapoioi eixan topoqethqei prowra epi toys qematos, prin h Koryfh asxolhqei me to zhthma ayto. Epixeiroyn na yperaspistoyn th qesh poy eixan labei tote. Alla yparxei sto metajy ayth h ejelijh, h apofash Koryfhs, h opoia bebaiws qa tyxei efarmoghs, afoy oloklhrwqei h ergasia, h opoia prepei na ginei sta analoga endiamesa stadia, fash sthn opoia briskomaste twra.

GARGALAKOS: Dhmosieyontai plhrofories oti o Prwqypoyrgos analambanei se proswpikh bash thn epopteia krisimwn tomewn ths kybernhtikhs politikhs, Ygeia, Metafores k. lp. Exei bash ayth h plhroforia kai an exei bash, pws to ermhneyete;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos proedreyei ths kybernhshs, epopteyei kai syntonizei to synolo toy kybernhtikoy ergoy. Parakoloyqei oloys toys tomeis, dinei kateyqynseis kai elegxei to pws ejelissontai ta pragmata se kaqe tomea. Opws den yparxoyn ypoprwqypoyrgoi, den yparxoyn kai yperypoyrgoi. Yparxei Prwqypoyrgos kai yparxoyn ypoyrgoi. Opws yparxei plhres kybernhtiko programma gia kaqe tomea, etsi gia kaqe tomea askoyn sygkekrimenes armodiothtes oi orismenoi pros toyto ypoyrgoi. Oi ypoyrgoi, loipon, exoyn eyqynh gia tis armodiothtes poy toys exoyn anateqei kai dinoyn logo gia ton tropo me ton opoio xeirizontai ta qemata toy tomea armodiothtas toys. Ayth einai h alhqeia.

MOYRTZHS: Ti symbainei telika me to legomeno "prwino kafe" mias kai eiste omotrapezos toy Prwqypoyrgoy kaqe prwi; Grafontai kai akoygontai polla. Eiste telika ena yperorgano, pera apo to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, to opoio aporriptei idees, politikes k. lp.

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti h kybernhsh exei ta dika ths politika organa. To Kinhma, opws problepei to Katastatiko toy PASOK, exei ta dika toy politika organa. Ekei sxediazontai kai xarazontai oi politikes, ekei lambanontai oi apofaseis. O Prwqypoyrgos exei epityxei thn taktikh kai synexh leitoyrgia twn kybernhtikwn kai kommatikwn organwn, ws Prwqypoyrgos kai ws Proedros toy Kinhmatos. Metajy twn organwn den yparxei kapoio me to onoma ayto "prwinos kafes". Den yparxei tetoio politiko organo, opoy lambanontai politikes apofaseis. Asfalws, h omada stelexwn, h opoia epikoyrei sto ergo toy ton Prwqypoyrgo, synexizei na ergazetai gia thn antimetwpish texnikwn kai praktikwn qematwn, xwris na asxoleitai me th xarajh politikhs h thn analhch prwtoboyliwn se politiko epipedo. Ayto prepei na einai safes. Tipota den allazei ws pros th synqesh twn kybernhtikwn kai kommatiwn organwn. Tipota den allazei kai ws pros th synqesh ekeinwn twn omadwn poy exoyn xarakthra ypobohqhtiko pros ton Prwqypoyrgo gia thn askhsh twn kaqhkontwn toy. Ola ayta, loipon, den qa prepei na sygxeontai. Yparxoyn kybernhtika organa, yparxoyn kommatika organa. Ayta leitoyrgoyn me ajioqaymasth synexeia kai synepeia. Ekei lambanontai oi apofaseis. Tipota den mporei na parakwlysei, na skiasei, na ypokatasthsei ta organa ayta.

GARGALAKOS: Opws kai na to pei kaneis, an einai organo h den einai, den exei shmasia. H omada ayth toy "prwinoy kafe" anasxhmatisthke, esxatws;

REPPAS: Den exei allajei tipota, epanalambanw, ws pros th synqesh, eite twn organwn, kybernhtikwn kai kommatikwn -pragma to opoio gnwrizete- eite twn omadwn stelexwn poy bohqoyn ton Prwqypoyrgo sthn askhsh twn kaqhkontwn toy, antimetwpizontas taktika, praktika kai texnika qemata.

BITALHS: Dhladh, s` ayth thn omada, mporoyme na jeroyme poioi paragontes symmetexoyn kai kaqe pote synedriazoyn h syzhtoyn oi paragontes ayths ths omadas;

REPPAS: Dyo fores thn ebdomada ginetai synanthsh ths omadas ayths me ton Prwqypoyrgo, h opoia -epanalambanw- asxoleitai me praktika kai texnika qemata. Tipote allo.

BITALHS: Poioi symmetexoyn;

REPPAS: Exoyn dhmosieyqei ta onomata kai sas einai gnwsta. Einai o omilwn, o k. Pasxalidhs, o k. Qemelhs, o k. Pantagias kai o k. Kosmidhs.

BITALHS: Mono ayta;

REPPAS: Nai.

PODHMATA: Eipate, prin, "qa ajiopoihsoyme ta opla poy exoyme sth diaqesh mas gia na isxysei h apofash toy Rio". Mporeite na mas peite, se poia opla anafereste;

REPPAS: Sto dikaiwma poy exoyme na askoyme "beto", oson afora th lhch kapoiwn apofasewn. Gnwrizete oti exoyme mplokarei kapoies politikes ths E. E. s` ayth th fash. Qa meinoyme s` ayth thn politikh, oson afora to sygkekrimeno tomea, an kapoioi qewroyn oti mporoyn ekeinoi na apofasizoyn gia to synolo ths E. E., agnowntas, oxi mono apla thn apofash mias Synodoy Koryfhs, alla kai thn politikh thn opoia exei anadeijei h xwra mas. Politikh, h opoia synebale ta megista, wste h E. E. na bgei, kata to dynaton, asproproswph sth diarkeia ths krishs sto Kossyfopedio. Den qa pw tipota allo, ayth thn wra. Den qa epektaqw perissotero. Prepei na sas pw, omws, oti otan antimetwpizoyme tetoioy eidoys empodia, exoyme kai emeis opla, diaqetoyme mhxanismoys, toys opoioys energopoioyme, prokeimenoy na yperaspistoyme tis politikes mas.

PODHMATA: Oi apofaseis poy exoyme mplokarei, mexri stigmhs, aforoyn to sxedio gia thn edra ths Yphresias ayths h aforoyn kai tis armodiothtes toy Germanoy syntonisth;

REPPAS: Aforoyn sxetika kai synafh qemata. Kai en pash periptwsei, h praktikh poy akoloyqoyme, einai mia praktikh thn opoia systhmatika akoloyqoyn oles oi xwres ths E. E., opws gnwrizete, prokeimenoy na epityxoyn thn epibrabeysh twn prospaqeiwn kai thn anadeijh twn politikwn toys. H Ellada einai isotimh me tis alles xwres sthn E. E. kai exei didaxqei ap` aytes polla kai s` ayto ton tomea.

SOYRMELH: Poy brisketai h diadikasia sxetika me thn edra sth Qessalonikh. Den exei oloklhrwqei; Nomiza oti eixe oloklhrwqei ayth h diadikasia. Twra, eseis etsi opws to lete, me "beto" k. lp., shmainei oti "paizetai" akoma.

REPPAS: Aplws, yparxei mia syzhthsh akomh. Sto plaisio ayths ths syzhthshs, diatypwnontai kai apoceis, oi opoies apoteloyn kai epifylajh h kai antirrhsh gia thn epilogh ths Qessalonikhs. Qa kamfqoyn aytes oi antirrhseis poy diatypwnontai kai einai bebaio oti h apofash qa efarmostei.

SOYRMELH: Ayth h syzhthsh einai sto COREPEER;

REPPAS: Einai sto plaisio twn yphresiwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, ths Commission. Alla, pisteyoyme oti einai qema poly ligoy xronoy, elaxistwn hmerwn, na lyqei kai ayth h ekkremothta, prokeimenoy na proxwrhsoyme, to epomeno diasthma, amesws meta to kalokairi, sthn efarmogh ayths ths apofashs.

SOYRMELH: Qa hqela na moy peite, poia einai h antidrash ths kybernhshs stis kathgories, mias megalhs meridas Typoy, kata ths kybernhtikhs epixeirhshs "skoypas" kai pws antidrate s` ayta poy leei to KKE. oti einai "pogkrom" enantion twn metanastwn, ayth h epixeirhsh poy exei jekinhsei.

REPPAS: Den prokeitai, oyte gia epixeirhsh "skoypa", oyte gia "pogkrom", enantion politwn poy diabioyn sth xwra mas. Ginetai mia systhmatikh prospaqeia apo thn kybernhsh na elegxqei h edw paroysia kai paramonh prosfygwn, etsi wste na parameinoyn kai na drasthriopoihqoyn aytoi poy diaqetoyn ta nomimopoihtika eggrafa kai na entopistoyn ekeinoi poy den diaqetoyn ayta ta eggrafa kai gi` ayto, akribws, prepei na epanaprowqhqoyn sth xwra ths proeleyshs toys. H politikh ayth, pisteyoyme oti antapokrinetai pagiws stis epiloges twn ellhnikwn kybernhsewn kai stis epiqymies toy ellhnikoy laoy.

Yparxoyn sthn Ellada oikonomikoi prosfyges. To pososto toys einai kata ti mikrotero apo to 1/10 toy plhqysmoy ayths ths xwras. Einai poly megalos o ariqmos. Yparxei ena megalo tmhma oikonomikwn prosfygwn, oi opoioi me thn ergasia toys exoyn symbalei sthn oikonomikh anaptyjh ths xwras mas. Einai anqrwpoi oi opoioi exoyn apodeixqei xrhsimoi sthn prospaqeia poy kaname thn teleytaia periodo, prosferontas thn ergasia toys. Aytoi mas aforoyn. Epiqymoyme, mesa apo diadikasies poy exoyme apofasisei, opws einai h paraxwrhsh ths sxetikhs nomimopoihtikhs kartas, na synexisoyn na ergazontai sthn Ellada. Na entaxqoyn sthn paragwgikh diadikasia me armoniko tropo.

Yparxoyn kai ekeinoi, oi opoioi briskontai sthn Ellada, qa elega, laqraia. Exoyn se megalo baqmo syndeqei me thn ayjhsh ths egklhmatikothtas, thn teleytaia periodo. Ayto to tmhma twn prosfygwn prospaqoyme na elegjoyme. Ayto qeloyme na apokocoyme apo to swma ths ellhnikhs koinwnias. Kai qa to epityxoyme, oxi me diwjeis, "pogkrom" h me epixeirhseis "skoypas", opws tis onomazete, alla me thn entash twn prospaqeiwn mas, oson afora ton elegxo aytwn poy briskontai, shmera, sthn Ellada, prokeimenoy na gnwrizoyme poioi dikaioyntai na parameinoyn edw kai poioi oxi. Aytoi poy den prepei na parameinoyn, gnwrizete poly kala oti logiko einai na epanaprowqhqoyn ston topo proeleyshs toys.

SOYRMELH: Poso tois ekato exei ayjhqei h egklhmatikothta;

REPPAS: Prepei na sas pw oti thn teleytaia periodo, exoyme mia yfesh s` ayto to fainomeno, epeidh akribws exoyme enteinei thn prospaqeia mas me th leitoyrgia toy Swmatos twn synoriakwn froyrwn, opws epishs kai me toys elegxoys poy ginontai systhmatika h me th qespish newn metrwn, opws einai h, pezh, peripolia astynomikwn organwn. Exoyme pragmatika mia yfesh, h opoia einai ena poly qetiko shmadi, mia kalh ejelijh. Mas deixnei, an qelete, kai to dromo poy prepei na akoloyqhsoyme, prokeimenoy na ejaleicoyme to fainomeno ayto. Kai s` ayth thn kateyqynsh qa kinhqoyme. Ta metra ayta den einai spasmwdika, den einai peristasiaka, den einai eykairiaka, den einai gia th dhmioyrgia entypwsewn. Einai entagmena se mia synolikh politikh gia thn antimetwpish toy fainomenoy ths egklhmatikothtas sthn Ellada. Aytoi poy prepei na parameinoyn sthn Ellada, giati einai nomimoi kai einai kai xrhsimoi, qa parameinoyn. Aytoi oi opoioi syndeontai emmesws h amesws me to fainomeno ths ayjhshs ths egklhmatikothtas, asfalws, qa antimetwpistoyn analogws. Qa epanaprowqhqoyn sthn patrida toys.

SOYRMELH: Ayth h yfesh poy lete paroysiazetai tis teleytaies tesseris-pente- eji hmeres;

REPPAS: Ennow meta th leitoyrgia toy Swmatos twn synoriakwn froyrwn, meta thn ayjhsh twn metrwn astynomeyshs stis megales poleis kai bebaiws, me ton elegxo ston opoio exei proxwrhsei, me pio entatiko ryqmo, h armodia yphresia.

SOYRMELH: Kai mexri tote h egklhmatikothta, se ti epipeda htan;

REPPAS: Xairomai, an eiste metajy ekeinwn poy lene oti, sthn Ellada den exei ayjhqei h egklhmatikothta. Epeidh ergazeste se ena jeno praktoreio, parakalw, ayto na to peite stoys anagnwstes twn keimenwn twn dikwn sas kai twn synadelfwn sas. Giati h Ellada kathgoreitai apo kapoioys oti einai mia xwra opoy h egklhmatikothta brisketai se ychlo epipedo. Anagnwrizete, loipon, oti den einai se ychlo epipedo, h egklhmatikothta.

SOYRMELH: To kentriko arqro ths "Kaqhmerinhs", sthn agglikh ekdosh, einai poly sklhro gia thn epixeirhsh ayth. Qa hqela, loipon, na sas rwthsw, efoson yphrxe h ayjhsh ths egklhmatikothtas, poso tois ekato htan ayth h ayjhsh kai sas ekane na drasete;

REPPAS: H ejelijh ths diadikasias gia th nomimopoihsh twn prosfygwn sthn Ellada, me thn paraxwrhsh ths sxetikhs kartas, mas odhghse se orismena symperasmata. Metajy twn allwn, exoyme diapistwsei oti yparxei akoma sthn Ellada enas megalos ariqmos, o opoios den exei dexqei na labei meros s` ayth th diadikasia. Enw exoyme prosferei oles tis dynatothtes, oles tis eykairies, stoys jenoys poy diabioyn edw, na apokthsoyn nomima eggrafa, den to epidiwkoyn. To apofeygoyn, kiolas. Opws antilambaneste, to kratos den mporei na meinei apaqes apenanti s` ayth thn ejelijh. Meta, loipon, thn prwth fash efarmoghs aytwn twn metrwn, exoyme katalhjei se orismena symperasmata kai akoloyqoyme mia politikh poy, metajy twn allwn, problepei kai tetoioy eidoys drasthriothtes, opws entatikopoihsh twn elegxwn gi` aytoys oi opoioi zoyn sthn Ellada. Epanalambanw, yparxoyn xrhsimoi polites, oi opoioi einai edw apolytws nomima, toys prostateyei o nomos kai ta organa ths Politeias. Qeloyme na parameinoyn edw, na ginoyn kommati ths ellhnikhs koinwnias. Yparxei, omws, kai ekeino to tmhma twn prosfygwn poy prepei na to antimetwpisoyme analogws, otan diapistwnoyme oti den brisketai nomimws sthn Ellada, poly perissotero de, otan pistopoieitai oti exei emmesh h amesh sxesh me thn egklhmatikothta, h opoia parathreitai, opws se kaqe xwra, kai sth dikh mas, ta teleytaia xronia.

Sas eyxaristw.

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