Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-06-16

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 16 Ioynioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

* Ayrio, to meshmeri, stis 13.00, o Prwqypoyrgos qa dexqei toys Eyrwboyleytes toy PASOK kai qa exei thn prwth synergasia mazi toys

* Thn erxomenh ebdomada anaxwrei gia th Latinikh Amerikh. Prwta qa metabei sto Mpoyenos Ayres, opoy qa diejaxqei to Synedrio ths Sosialistikhs Dieqnoys, ths opoias einai antiproedros o Prwqypoyrgos. En synexeia, qa metabei sto Rio nte Tzaneiro, opoy qa ginei h Diaskech Synergasias ths E. E. kai xwrwn ths Notioy Amerikhs. Ypenqymizw thn prohgoymenh synergasia ths E. E. kai xwrwn ths Asias poy egine sto Londino.

MIXAHL: Pote anaxwrei;

REPPAS: Thn Tetarth 23 toy mhnos, to apogeyma. H epistrofh qa ginei thn Pempth, 1h Ioylioy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Exoyn ayjhqei oi fhmes oti thn Paraskeyh qa ginei anasxhmatismos. Exete na mas peite kati, giati rwthsame kai xqes kai proxqes kai to diaceysate. Kai mesa sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph syzhthqhke ayto to qema, omws, den mas eipate kati.

REPPAS: Oi fhmes aytes den antapokrinontai sthn pragmatikothta. Den yparxei tetoio endexomeno. Eimai safhs.

SOYGLERHS: H shmerinh synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton k. Giannopoylo ti htan; Poios th zhthse kai ti syzhthsan;

REPPAS: Pantote o Prwqypoyrgos exei synergasies me ypoyrgoys gia qemata ths armodiothtas toys. Einai apo kairo programmatismeno na ginoyn kapoies synanthseis, oi opoies ginontai. Oson afora thn prohgoymenh erwthsh, k. Stamatopoyle, sas eipa xqes oti o Prwqypoyrgos eipe oti den yparxei tetoio qema. O Prwqypoyrgos eipe kai xqes sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph oti qa kalyfqoyn ta kena, ta opoia yparxoyn, opoy yparxoyn kai an yparxoyn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kena se ypoyrgoys;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti yparxei to qema ths kalychs ths qeshs toy k. Mpalta, o opoios exei eklegei Eyrwboyleyths. Loipon, den yparxei qema anasxhmatismoy. O Prwqypoyrgos, kata th xqesinh synedriash, anaferomenos poly synoptika sto qema ayto, to opoio kapoioi syzhtoyn dhmosiws, eipe oti o anasxhmatismos den lynei ta problhmata, kalyptei ta problhmata. H apotelesmatikh politikh, h parembash gia thn antimetwpish problhmatwn einai aparaithth kai se ayth thn kateyqynsh qa kinhqoyme.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Epeidh eipe, se kapoioys tomeis poy xwlainoyn, se kapoia ypoyrgeia poy den pane kala, den qa kanei allages ekei;

REPPAS: Kaqenas exei th dikh toy apoch kai eseis exete th dikh sas, dikaioyste na exete apoch gia to an kapoia ypoyrgeia xwlainoyn kai kapoia alla den xwlainoyn. Ayto to opoio exei shmasia einai oti o Prwqypoyrgos exei epilejei toys synergates toy gia na stelexwsei tis hgesies twn ypoyrgeiwn. H synqesh ths kybernhshs paramenei ayth poy gnwrizete.

SOYGLERHS: Einai eyxaristhmenos o Prwqypoyrgos apo to ergo twn ypoyrgwn sto trito etos ths qhteias ths kybernhshs;

REPPAS: H kybernhsh synexizei to ergo ths. O Prwqypoyrgos exei epilejei toys ypoyrgoys kai synexizei na synergazetai me aytoys. O Prwqypoyrgos, opws kai polloi alloi, exoyn kat` epanalhch pei oti se oloys toys tomeis exoyme shmantiko ergo na epideijoyme, alla pantote yparxei periqwrio beltiwshs. Gi ayto, prepei na prospaqhsoyme na ginoyme pio apotelesmatikoi, na ginoyme kalyteroi. Ayto apaitei apo emas o ellhnikos laos kai ayto qa kanoyme.

MIXAHL: Gyrw, loipon, apo ayto to qema, qelw na sas qesw to ejhs erwthma: Pws symbibazetai to gegonos oti o k. Shmiths einai ikanopoihmenos apo toys ypoyrgoys poy exei epilejei kai synexizei to ergo ths h kybernhsh kai apo thn allh, o ellhnikos laos dia ths chfoy toy, opws diapistwqhke, den epibrabeyse kapoioys tomeis ths kaqhmerinhs zwhs, thn idia wra na leei o Prwqypoyrgos, akribws, gi ayto qa prepei na strafoyme se ayta ta problhmata, alla kanoyn kai kala to ergo toys oi yparxontes ypoyrgoi. Pws symbibazontai ayta;

REPPAS: Stis prosfates eyrwekloges o ellhnikos laos den chfise gia na eklejei thn kybernhsh toy topoy. O ellhnikos laos, me thn chfo toy, apostasiopoihqhke, en merei, apo to PASOK -milw gia ekeinoys toys polites poy eixan chfisei sto parelqon to kybernwn komma- den entaxqhke, omws, to kommati ayto toy eklogikoy swmatos se mia allh strathgikh, strathgikh anatrophs toy politikoy skhnikoy kai en telei anatrophs ths kybernhshs. Me ayth thn ennoia, h chfos toy ellhnikoy laoy shmainei oti prepei h kybernhsh na synexisei thn prospaqeia ths pio apotelesmatika, pio dynamika, pio apofasistika. Na ginei kalyterh! Alla, na synexisei na kyberna ton topo.

MIXAHL: Ayth einai mia ermhneia poy dinete eseis...

REPPAS: Eseis qa dwsete th dikh sas.

MIXAHL: Oxi, k. Ypoyrge, den einai qema ti ermhneia qa dwsw egw. O kaqenas dinei th dikh toy. Alla, exw na epishmanw oti ayth h ermhneia poy dinete eseis erxetai se antiqesh me ermhneies poy dinoyn hgetika stelexh toy PASOK kai ths kybernhshs. Shmera, o k. Pagkalos, se dhlwseis toy, ypoyrgos htan prin apo eji mhnes ston eyaisqhto tomea ths ejwterikhs politikhs kai hgetiko stelexos toy kommatos sas, eipe oti "prepei na doyme ta laika zhthmata, dioti ekei xwlainoyme". Otan, loipon, leei ayto to pragma, shmainei oti kati den paei kala.

REPPAS: Poia einai h erwthsh;

MIXAHL: H erwthsh einai oti h mia pleyra einai oti entajei, synexizoyme gia kalytera apotelesmata kai h allh pleyra einai oti den ftanoyn ayta kai prepei na doyme kai ti allo mporoyme na kanoyme. Kai rwtw pws symbibazontai ayta ta dyo;

REPPAS: Einai ta idia. Den symbibazontai aplws, einai ta idia, einai taytoshma. Ta stelexh lene tis xrhsimes apoceis toys. Kai kanoyn poly kala. Kai miloyn sto pneyma poy milhse, apo thn prwth hmera, me th dhlwsh toy o Prwqypoyrgos. Oi prosanatolismoi ths xwras, oi basikes politikes epiloges mas paramenoyn staqeres gia th dieqnh qesh ths xwras, gia thn oloklhrwsh ths prospaqeias entajhs ths Elladas sthn ONE, gia thn aproskopth leitoyrgia twn qesmwn, wste na diasfalisoyme thn politikh staqerothta sth xwra mas kai gia thn epitaxynsh ths oikonomikhs anaptyjhs. Se tomeis kaqhmerinhs zwhs toy polith, se tomeis poy eypaqeis omades toy plhqysmoy antimetwpizoyn problhmata, qa prepei na beltiwsoyme thn epidosh mas, me diorqwseis ths politikhs mas, me epiloges kai parembaseis kai prwtoboylies, oi opoies qa katasthsoyn pio apotelesmatikh th diakybernhsh toy topoy stoys tomeis kai stis perioxes aytes. Ta exoyme pei ayta apo thn prwth hmera. Ta epanalambanoyme me alla logia, alla einai ta idia.

SABBA: Yparxoyn eishghseis kybernhtikwn stelexwn gia thn allagh toy eklogikoy nomoy;

REPPAS: Oyte kata dianoia yfistatai tetoio qema. Den gnwrizw ti apoceis diatypwnontai. Ayto to opoio exei shmasia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs. Oxi mono den antimetwpizetai tetoio qema, oyte prokeitai na antimetwpistei.

MOYRTZHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, opws metadidetai apo ta M. M. E., xqes poy synedriase h Epitroph eklogikoy agwna ths N. D., qewrei oti einai efiktos o stoxos ths na diembolisei to xwro toy PASOK kai twn omorwn politikwn kommatwn. Eseis kleinate ep` aristera. To zhthma einai: Qa afhsete eyalwto to xwro ayto twn mesostrwmatwn na ton proseggisei h Dejia, h N. D.;

REPPAS: Mpainoyme se ena allo pedio syzhthshs pleon, to opoio den afora thn politikh enhmerwsh. Mporw, omws, na sas pw oti emeis exoyme sygkekrimenes koinwnikes anafores. Agwnizomaste gia to symferon ths xwras, to eqniko symferon kai, bebaiws, gia th dhmioyrgia synqhkwn eyhmerias gia oloys toys polites. Gnwrizete poia einai h istorikh diadromh toy PASOK kai oi istorikoi desmoi poy exei anaptyjei me sygkekrimenes koinwnikes omades. Paramenoyme, me tis opoies allages sthn politikh mas poy synistoyn kai tis prosarmoges sthn kainoyrgia -kaqe fora- pragmatikothta, prosanatolismenoi stoys basikoys stoxoys poy eqese to PASOK apo thn idrysh toy. Apo kei kai pera, bebaiws den prokeitai na epitrecoyme th dhmioyrgia kenwn, th dhmioyrgia zwtikoy xwroy ton opoio h N. D. qa epixeirhsei na kalycei. Paramenoyme ena pleiochfiko politiko kinhma, ena megalo reyma, to opoio kyberna gia xronia thn Ellada kai qa synexisei na thn kyberna. Reyma sthrijhs ths N. D. den proekyce meta tis teleytaies eyrwekloges. Milhsame kat' epanalhch gia to pws proekycan, kata th dikh mas analysh kai ektimhsh, ayta ta eklogika apotelesmata. Pisteyoyme oti oi polites oi opoioi apostasiopoihqhkan apo to PASOK kai eite proshlqan sthn kalph gia na yposthrijoyn ta legomena "loipa kommata", mikres kommatikes dynameis kai syspeirwseis, eite apeixan apo thn eklogikh diadikasia eite chfisan akyro h erijan leyko chfodeltio, mporei na apotelesoyn kai pali toys symmaxoys mas, qa einai kai pali chfoforoi toy PASOK. Oxi ths N. D. Gi' ayto akribws milhsa -kai tis prohgoymenes hmeres- gia to sygkritiko pleonekthma poy exei to PASOK, oson afora ayto to tmhma toy eklogikoy swmatos, se sxesh me th N. D.

MOYRTZHS: Ti shmainei ayto poy eipe xqes o Prwqypoyrgos gia katarghsh twn Organwsewn toy PASOK kai epanasystash toys;

REPPAS: Ayto einai ena qema to opoio syzhthqhke sto prosfato Synedrio toy Kinhmatos. Apasxolei ta kommatika organa h anasyntajh, h anasygkrothsh ths Organwshs se nea bash. Mhn qelete na syzhthsoyme perissotero gi' ayto, na mpainw se jena xwrafia. Mporw na sas pw, omws oti einai koinh pepoiqhsh oti prepei na anazwogonhqei h organwsh toy PASOK. Ayto apofasise to Synedrio. Logw twn eyrweklogwn to sxedio ayto den eteqh tote se efarmogh. Twra einai h wra na proxwrhsoyme sthn efarmogh aytoy poy apofasise to Synedrio.

MPOYRDARAS: Me anafores opws "qa prepei na yparjoyn diorqwseis se orismenoys tomeis ths kybernhtikhs politikhs" kai alla paromoia sxolia, eixate ypodexqei kai to eklogiko apotelesma twn dhmotikwn kai nomarxiakwn eklogwn. Ti sas kanei na pisteyete oti twra qa yparjoyn aytes oi allages, poy profanws den eginan mexri twra; Ayto einai to prwto erwthma. Kai ena deytero: To Fqinopwro o Prwqypoyrgos eixe steilei se ypoyrgoys epistoles kai zhtoyse se sygkekrimenoys tomeis na yparjei proodos mexri tis arxes Ioynioy. Einai ikanopoihmenos o Prwqypoyrgos kai h kybernhsh apo ton apologismo toy ergoy sta sygkekrimena ayta zhthmata;

REPPAS: Oson afora thn prwth parathrhsh sas. Eipate "profanws den yphrjan diorqwseis apo ton perasmeno Oktwbrio mexri twra". Den symfwnw mazi sas. Yphrjan diorqwseis kai beltiwseis se polloys tomeis. Mporw na anaferw paradeigmata. To gegonos, omws, oti yphrjan aytes oi beltiwseis, den shmainei oti den yparxei periqwrio gia parapera beltiwsh ths epidoshs mas. Ayto to stoixhma einai pantote anoikto. Einai ena stoixhma to opoio prepei synexws, kaqe mera, na to kerdizeis, me thn politikh soy parembash kai prwtoboylia.

Oson afora twra to kybernhtiko ergo, exei ena safes plaisio. Oi prwtoboylies poy anaptyssoyn oi ypoyrgoi, ypakoyoyn se kapoies arxes, poy den einai tipota allo para oi basikes arxes ths kybernhtikhs politikhs. S' ayth thn kateyqynsh synexizoyn na ergazontai oi ypoyrgoi. Apo kei kai pera, bebaiws -opws eipa- h kybernhsh ergasthke ikanopoihtika. Qewroyme oti to apotelesma, twn prosfatwn eyrweklogwn, an kai apexei toy stoxoy poy eixame qesei na anadeixtoyme prwto komma, epitrepei na synexisoyme na kybername kai na diekdikhsoyme me epityxia thn chfo twn politwn stis eqnikes ekloges. H kybernhsh paramenei me th synqesh poy exei. Exei shmantiko ergo na epideijei. Exei beltiwsei thn epidosh ths se sxesh me ton prohgoymeno Oktwbrio. Kai qa synexisei s' ayto to "motibo". Giati pantote, epanalambanw, yparxei periqwrio beltiwshs. Kai ayto qa kanoyme.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Apanthse kanenas ypoyrgos ston Prwqypoyrgo; Esteile epistolh, phre apanthseis; Apanthse kanenas; Synexeia stelnei epistoles...

REPPAS: Kyrie Stamatopoyle, epanaferete ena prosfiles se esas qema. H synergasia toy Prwqypoyrgoy me toys ypoyrgoys einai synexhs. Pantote se tetoies epistoles apotypwnontai oi proteraiothtes ths politikhs se kaqe tomea. H politikh ayth exei symfwnhqei sta kybernhtika organa h metajy toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai twn armodiwn ypoyrgwn. Einai h politikh thn opoia efarmozoyme oloi, o kaqenas sto diko toy tomea.

SOYGLERHS: Edw kai 10 hmeres h albanikh mafia krataei sta xeria ths omhroys ena koritsaki 4 etwn kai enan gnwsto epixeirhmatia sthn Patra, ton Giwrgo Laliwth. Hqela na rwthsw, yparxei endiaferon apo thn kybernhsh; Exete kanei kapoies energeies, exete enhmerwsh poy brisketai to qema kai ti skopeyete na kanete;

REPPAS: Me to qema ayto asxoloyntai oi armodies yphresies. Oi astynomikes arxes exoyn epilhfqei. Parakalw mh zhtate na ypeiselqoyme se leptomereies giati den gnwrizoyme ti yparxei oson afora to paraskhnio, tis leptomereies poy synistoyn ayth thn ypoqesh. Den einai dynaton h kybernhsh na ypeiserxetai se tetoies leptomereies. Yparxoyn armodies yphresies, oi opoies asxoloyntai.

SOYGLERHS: Ma, kai sto parelqon exoyme tetoia kroysmata kai opwsdhpote...

REPPAS: Asfalws, oloys mas eyaisqhtopoioyn. Gi' ayto, akribws, exoyn kinhtopoihqei oi armodies yphresies, gia na exoyme to kalytero apotelesma. As afhsoyme tis yphresies aperispastes sto ergo toys, giati mia dhmosia syzhthsh gia tetoia qemata den prosferei kai poly megalh bohqeia. Isa - isa mporei na dhmioyrghsei kai sygxysh.

MIXAHL: Exei ginei ena periergo mplejimo me mia ellhnikh qalamhgo poy metefere kati toyristes, kat' alloys laqrometanastes apo toys Toyrkoys. Thn piasane, thn phgane sto Koysantasi kai apo ekei sth Smyrnh. Zhtane ejhghseis, toys kathgoroyn gia laqremporio. Exete tipota na mas peite ep` aytoy;

REPPAS: Oi plhrofories poy exoyme einai oti pragmati entopisthke mia ellhnikh qalamhgos -h opoia xrhsimopoieitai gia th metafora episkeptwn, perihghtwn, toyristwn se diafora merh s' ayth thn eyryterh perioxh- se toyrkika xwrika ydata na metaferei enan arketa megalo ariqmo politwn, oi opoioi proerxontan apo to Pakistan oi perissoteroi kai to Irak. Oi endeijeis miloyn gia laqrometanastes. Entopisthke ayth h qalamhgos apo tis armodies toyrkikes yphresies kai odhghqhke sto Koysantasi. O Ellhnas projenos sth Smyrnh parakoloyqei to qema. Exoyn epilhfqei oi armodioi prokeimenoy, oxi mono na gnwrisoyme pws exoyn ta pragmata, alla kai na antimetwpisoyme piqana problhmata. An pragmatika etsi exoyn ta pragmata, opws fanerwnoyn oi endeijeis, prepei na sas pw oti einai kalo to oti epiteloys oi toyrkikes arxes parenebhsan kai stamathsan thn eisodo laqrometanastwn sthn Ellada. Den mas exoyn mexri twra synhqisei se mia tetoia epimeleia, prokeimenoy na apotrecoyn thn eisodo laqrometanastwn sthn Ellada. Ayto, omws, einai kati to opoio -epanalambanw- se synergasia twn armodiwn yphresiwn twn dyo xwrwn antimetwpizetai kai qa gnwrizoyme ta gegonota kai tis leptomereies toys, tis epomenes wres.

KARGOYDH: An, loipon, etsi exoyn ta pragmata, peri laqrometanastwn poy proerxontai apo thn Toyrkia...

REPPAS: Einai, pantws, Pakistanoi kai apo to Irak. Den nomizw oti einai perihghtes.

KARGOYDH: Ayto qa mporoyse na pei kaneis oti entassetai sto plaisio ths protashs ths Agkyras, toy k. Tzem, gia ypografh symfwnias gia antimetwpish apo koinoy toy organwmenoy egklhmatos, ths tromokratias; Rwtw giati epikeitai h apanthsh toy k. Papandreoy.

REPPAS: Den exei sxesh to ena me to allo. Emeis pantote epiqymoyme oi toyrkikes armodies yphresies na kanoyn me epimeleia th doyleia toys kai otan diapistwnoyn oti laqrometanastes kinoyntai me kateyqynsh thn Ellada, na empodizoyn thn anaxwrhsh toys apo thn Toyrkia kai thn eisodo toys sthn Ellada. Makari na ginetai pantote ayto.

Sas eyxaristw.

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