Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-04-22

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 22 Aprilioy 1999

MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS NIKO AQANASAKH

Geia sas kai kalo meshmeri.

O Prwqypoyrgos, opws gnwrizete, synexizei thn episkech toy stis HPA.

* Milhse, xqes, sto Council on Foreign Relations. H omilia toy epikentrwqhke kyriws se qemata ejwterikhs politikhs. Anaferqhke sta qemata toy Kossobo, stis ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis kai sto kypriako. Paroysiase pros thn amerikanikh koinh gnwmh -qa elega- th synolikh protash ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs gia thn yperbash ths krishs sto Kossyfopedio kai th staqeropoihsh sthn perioxh twn Balkaniwn.

* Shmera, qa parakaqisei se geyma poy paraqetei pros timh toy to Dioikhtiko Symboylio toy Ereynhtikoy Idrymatos Woodrow Wilson. H omilia toy qa einai ef olhs ths ylhs kai qa afora qemata ejwterikhs, oikonomikhs kai koinwnikhs politikhs. Qa anaferqei idiaitera sthn rizikh allagh toy oikonomikoy periballontos sthn Ellada, allagh, h opoia kai dinei th dynatothta na antimetwpisoyme me epityxia tis proklhseis toy 21oy aiwna.

Me aformh ayto na kanw mia dhlwsh, ena sxolio mallon, blepontas diafora dhmosieymata kai akoygontas orismena apo ta metadidomena, sxetika me thn ellhnikh oikonomia kai tis epiptwseis apo thn krish. Epitrecete moy na shmeiwsw oti oi epiptwseis apo thn krish den ektimatai oti qa einai sobares, etsi opws perigrafontai kai paroysiazontai apo orismenes pleyres. Oi opoies epiptwseis sthn oikonomia mas, oi opoies exoyn perigrafei kai stis opoies exei anaferqei kai h idia h kybernhsh, mporei na aporrofhqoyn apo thn oikonomia. H kybernhsh exei to sxediasmo ths kai -en pash periptwsei- to shmeio poy brisketai shmera h ellhnikh oikonomia, osa exoyn epiteyxqei ews shmera, mas dinoyn th dynatothta na pisteyoyme apolytws oti tipota den mporei na mas bgalei ejw apo thn epiteyjh twn megalwn stoxwn poy exoyme qesei ayth thn periodo.

Den xreiazetai kanena klima katastrofologias. Xreiazetai cyxraimia, nhfaliothta, wrimes skeceis kai swstes kinhseis, oi opoies apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs ginontai se kaqe periptwsh, oytws wste, pragmatika na diasfalisoyme to stoxo gia mia isxyrh Ellada ston tomea ths Oikonomias kai genikotera. Stoxos poy qwrakizei pragmatika th xwra mas kai mesa se ayto to dyskolo periballon kai stis ejelijeis, tis opoies antimetwpizoyme.

Mhn jexnoyme oti poly syxna diakinoyntai plhrofories gia ta qemata ths oikonomias, oxi apo idiaitero endiaferon gia thn poreia ths eqnikhs oikonomias, alla kai gia alloys poly pio "praktikoys" kaqhmerinoys logoys.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ektimate oti den qa einai toso sobares! Poso ektimate oti qa einai; Gia ton toyrismo einai katastrofh.

AQANASAKHS: Den eipame pote oti den yparxoyn epiptwseis. Eimaste oi prwtoi, exontas kai thn eyqynh antimetwpishs twn pragmatwn, poy anaferqhkame stis epiptwseis apo thn krish. Yparxoyn epiptwseis poy, se sygkekrimenoys tomeis, mporei na einai megalyteres h mikroteres. O idios o Prwqypoyrgos eixe anaferqei stis epiptwseis, sta synolika posa poy aforoyn thn ayjhsh toy AEP. Gia kaqe enan apo aytoys toys tomeis ginontai analogoi xeirismoi kai sxediasmoi kai gnwrizete oti yparxoyn anakoinwseis twn armodiwn ypoyrgwn -opws, p. x. apo ton ypoyrgo Anaptyjhs gia ta qemata toy Toyrismoy- sta opoia anaferqhkate. Apo to shmeio, omws, ayto ews to shmeio ths anaptyjhs kai ths probolhs mias katastrofologias xwris bash, xwris ypobaqro, xwris na antapokrinetai sthn pragmatikothta, h apostash einai terastia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Genike, exoyn katastrafei epixeirhmaties poy eixan ependysei sta Skopia, Albania kai Kossobo...

AQANASAKHS: Yparxoyn sygkekrimenes etaireies, oi opoies eixan kanei ependyseis ekei kai oi opoies parakoloyqoyn, bebaiws, tis ejelijeis kai exoyn tis epiptwseis toys.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Einai panw apo ekato aytes oi epixeirhseis.

AQANASAKHS: Isxyei to sxolio poy exw kanei. Nomizw oti apanthsa synolika se aytes tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Proxqes sto COREPER katachfisame, eimaste antiqetoi me to embargo sto petrelaio gia th Gioygkoslabia. Xqes, chfisame yper toy embargo. Ti allaje mesa se 24wres;

AQANASAKHS: Eixa pei edw proxqes -den qymamai ean hsastan edw- oti mename mazi me thn Italia se mia qesh, h opoia proeballe thn prooptikh epibolhs embargo petrelaioy apo tis xwres ths E. E. -dioti den mporoyn oi xwres ths E. E. na epibaloyn genikeymeno embargo- ws enallaktikh lysh stoys bombardismoys h meta toys bombardismoys, efoson paremene to problhma.

Yphrje mia allagh sthn italikh stash kai katopin aytoy symfwnhsame sthn ekdosh ths apofashs sto COREPER me th shmeiwsh, gia th symfwnia mas ayth, na ginei o diaxwrismos gia to petrelaio poy qa diakineitai gia anqrwpistikoys logoys. Etsi symfwnhsame na syntaxqei o sxetikos Kanonismos. O sxetikos Kanonismos qa syzhthqei th Deytera sto Symboylio Ypoyrgwn, sto opoio th xwra mas qa ekproswphsei o ypoyrgos Anaplhrwths Ejwterikwn k. Giannos Kranidiwths.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, th Deytera, qa exoyme allh...;

AQANASAKHS: Opws exw pei ekei apaiteitai eidikh pleiochfia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Th Deytera, dhladh, qa exoyme epifylajeis; Qa katachfisoyme; AQANASAKHS: Sas eipa th qesh mas thn opoia yposthrijame xqes. Symfwnhsame gia th syntajh toy eidikoy Kanonismoy, qetontas to qema toy diaxwrismoy toy petrelaioy gia anqrwpistikoys logoys.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qymaste pote sto parelqon na exei apodokimastei Ellhnas Prwqypoyrgos stis HPA; Qa hqela to sxolio sas;

AQANASAKHS: Den exw akribes reportaz apo xqes. Eida ta dhmosieymata. Qelete na sxoliasw toys omogeneis; Qelete...:

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia prwth fora apodokimasthke Ellhnas Prwqypoyrgos.

AQANASAKHS: Sas parakalw. Kanate thn erwthsh sas gia na apanthsw. Qelete na sxoliasw tis tyxon antidraseis twn omogenwn mas, eleyqerwn anqrwpwn, politwn se mia ekdhlwsh toys. Ayto poy mporw na sas pw einai oti h sygkekrimenh ekdhlwsh, sthn opoia milhse o Prwqypoyrgos, htan mia apolytws epityxhmenh ekdhlwsh kai edwse thn eykairia ston Prwqypoyrgo na apeyqynqei kai stoys Ellhnes omogeneis, toys Ellhno-amerikanoys, kai sthn eyryterh koinh gnwmh, paroysiazontas ta ellhnika qemata, tis ellhnikes qeseis kai protaseis, gia thn katastash sthn Ellada. Htan mia poly epityxhmenh ekdhlwsh.

MPOYATAR: Gia ayto to qema toy diaxwrismoy petrelaioy gia anqrwpistikh bohqeia k. lp. to zhthsate; Egine apodekto; Qa to zhthsete; Qa ginei;

AQANASAKHS: Symfwnhsame gia th syntajh toy Kanonismoy me ayth thn epishmansh.

MPOYATAR: Dhladh egine apodekto.

AQANASAKHS: Ej oswn gnwrizw nai. Gia leptomereies -ean qelete- na krathsw kapoies erwthseis kai na sas apanthsw argotera.

MPOYATAR: Den qeloyme leptomereies. Na jeroyme ti egine !

AQANASAKHS: Sas eipa th dikh mas qesh. Eipa ti yposthrijame.

ALEJAKH: Den mas eipate, omws, giati symfwnhsate se ayto. Giati pragmati eixame kapoies epifylajeis, thn prwth fora. Twra;

AQANASAKHS: Sas eixa ejhghsei oti kinhqhkame se mia koinh qesh me thn Italia.

ALEJAKH: Wraia! Kati allo: Alhqeyoyn oi plhrofories oti stelnoyme ena mhxanokinhto tagma 300 andrwn sta Skopia;

AQANASAKHS: Oxi, etsi opws moy to lete.

ALEJAKH: Yparxei ena dhmosieyma...

AQANASAKHS: To sxetiko dhmosieyma ypoqetw oti anaferetai...

KARAMPASHS: Mporw na symplhrwsw sto idio qema, mia kai to ypografw;

AQANASAKHS: Nai, ean diaforopoihqei kai h erwthsh.

KARAMPASHS: Qa hqela na mas peite pws sxoliazei h kybernhsh th sygkrothsh aytoy toy eidikoy swmatos toy ellhnikoy Stratoy, gia poio logo, kat` arxas, sygkroteitai; To oti sygkroteitai nomizw den to diaceydete.

AQANASAKHS: Opws kai eseis isws mporei na qymaste sto qema ayto eixe anaferqei kai sto parelqon o ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Amynas. Den nomizw oti einai kati kainoyrgio gia to reportaz toy ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Amynas, me thn ejhs ennoia: Prokeitai gia to 501 Tagma, to opoio einai sto Kilkis kai to opoio -exei dhlwqei- ean yparjei symfwnia eirhneyshs, qa einai ayto poy qa kinhqei symmetexontas stis eirhneytikes dynameis. Antilambaneste oti qelei xrono h proetoimasia ayth. Einai ayto to opoio exei eipwqei. Prokeitai gia to 501 Tagma me ayto to skopo. Qa paei efoson yparjei symfwnia.

KARAMPASHS: Einai qema xronoy; Pote qa paei;

AQANASAKHS: Qa paei efoson yparjei symfwnia. Exei anakoinwqei h qesh ayth ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs apo to ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas kai htan gnwsto oti to 501 Tagma eixe sxediastei na symmetasxei, efoson yparjei symfwnia. Den einai kati allo. Kai gia na kleisw to qema, parapempw kai sth dhlwsh poy epanelabe kai xqes o Prwqypoyrgos: H Ellada einai xwra, h opoia den metexei stis aeroporikes epixeirhseis kai den qa parei meros se xersaies epixeirhseis.

KARAMPASHS: Den exoyn apostalei fylla poreias se eidikothtes opws einai, texnikoi teqwrakismenwn kai diafores alles eidikothtes;

AQANASAKHS: Sygkroteitai -epanalambanw- ena Tagma...

KARAMPASHS: Apo diafores Monades...

AQANASAKHS: Yparxei ena Tagma, to 501, to opoio -exoyme pei- oti qa metasxei se mia sygkekrimenh apostolh, efoson yparjei symfwnia, ws eirhneytikh dynamh. H proetoimasia prepei na ginei, ginetai. H apostolh exei sygkekrimenes proypoqeseis.

KARAMPASHS: Giati oi eidikothtes, oi opoies kaloyntai me fylla poreias, einai tetoies poy na metexoyn;

AQANASAKHS: Aytes ypoqetw oti apaitoyntai. Den eimai eidikos sth sygkrothsh tagmatwn.

ALEJAKH: Kai oi amoibes;

AQANASAKHS: Problepontai amoibes gi aytoys poy yphretoyn sto ejwteriko.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate oti h Ellada den metexei se aeroporikes epixeirhseis. Pws den metexei; To Aktio den to exei ekxwrhsei h sto rantar sth Qessalonikh den einai Amerikanoi mesa;

AQANASAKHS: Gia ola ayta poy moy lete, h apanthsh moy einai oti epaneilhmmena exoyn syzhthqei edw kai gnwrizete tis qeseis ths kybernhshs. Ayth einai h apanthsh moy.

MPOYRDARAS: Sto baqmo poy synexizontai oi exqroprajies apo to NATO enantion ths Gioygkoslabias kai zhthqei apo th xwra mas h apostolh enos tetoioy tagmatos me to skeptiko oti prepei na prostateyqei h anqrwpistikh bohqeia poy qa parexetai se omades prosfygwn apo to Kossyfopedio, h apanthsh ths xwras mas qa einai qetikh;

AQANASAKHS: To qema ths anqrwpistikhs bohqeias kai twn kataylismwn einai kati diaforetiko. Gnwrizete oti hdh yparxei stratiwtikh dynamh ths Elladas sthn Albania, h opoia exei megalh symbolh, olh ayth thn periodo, sth sygkrothsh kai leitoyrgia twn kataylismwn twn prosfygwn. Epishs, sas exw pei edw kai orismenes hmeres, oti mas eixe zhthqei -kai nomizw oti hdh yparxei symfwnia- na sygkrothsoyme kai enan akomh kataylismo sta Skopia, peran apo toys treis kataylismoys poy exoyme sygkrothsei sthn Albania. Gia to sthsimo aytwn twn kataylismwn, profanws, ginetai kinhsh kapoiwn dynamewn h mporei na xreiastei kinhsh kapoiwn dynamewn, gia ayton akribws to logo.

KARAMPASHS: Mia dieykrinistikh erwthsh: Eipate, prohgoymenws, oti ayto to Tagma qa stalei efoson yparjei eirhneysh sthn perioxh h an stamathsoyn oi bombardismoi;

AQANASAKHS: Efoson yparjei symfwnia.

KONTOPOYLOS: Mporei sta Skopia na paei allo mplok, mhxanikoy, fantazomai;

AQANASAKHS: Den exei organwqei akoma, giati htan se ejelijh, apo proxqes poy sas to eipa, oi syzhthseis kai qa xreiastei na to organwsoyme ayto.

KARAMPASHS: Ejakoloyqei na isxyei h desmeysh ths kybernhshs oti h xwra mas den qa katastei ormhthrio twn NATOikwn dynamewn stis xersaies epixeirhseis;

AQANASAKHS: Oi qeseis ths kybernhshs einai gnwstes kai exoyn diatypwqei epaneilhmmena. Eimai bebaios oti tis gnwrizete.

LEONTOPOYLOS: Ena synafes erwthma: Proxqes, o k. Papandreoy, milwntas sto radiofwniko staqmo FLASH, eixe krathsei apostaseis apo to qema twn dieykolynsewn. Eixe pei, dhladh, oti h qesh mas kat` arxhn ws pros thn paroxh dieykolynsewn gia xersaia epembash einai arnhtikh. Kata kairoys, omws, dierxontai kyriws mesw ths Qessalonikhs, opws proxqes poy perasane 50 germanika armata maxhs. Kai ayto den diaceysthke...

AQANASAKHS: Den htan penhnta, alla den diaceysthke pragmati.

LEONTOPOYLOS: Den mporei, twra, enas logikos anqrwpos na ypoqesei oti ayta pane gia eirhnikoys skopoys. Dhladh, sta kata kairoys perasmata...

AQANASAKHS: Oxi, mh bazete tis ypoqeseis sas sthn erwthsh sas. Ayta sta grapta sas. Qa apanthsw me bash ayta poy eipate ews twra kai pisteyw na sas kalycw.

LEONTOPOYLOS: Oxi, h erwthsh moy einai h ejhs: S` ayto to qema den prepei na topoqethqei h kybernhsh;

AQANASAKHS: Exei topoqethqei h kybernhsh. An qelete, epanalabete thn erwthsh sas pio synoptika gia na apanthsw.

LEONTOPOYLOS: H erwthsh einai h idia.

AQANASAKHS: Na sas pw ti ennow: Den yparxei ayth th stigmh qema epixeirhshs xersaiwn dynamewn, den yparxei metakinhsh s` ayto to plaisio. To plaisio twn metakinhsewn poy ginontai afora th sygkrothsh dynamhs me th symfwnh gnwmh twn Skopiwn kai thn epembash ths ws eirhneytikhs dynamhs. Sto plaisio ayto ginetai metafora ylikoy kai kapoiwn dynamewn. Ayth einai h apanthsh moy. Mporei na diafwneite, alla ayth einai h apanthsh moy.

KARAMPASHS: "Baftizontai" eirhneytikes dynameis.

AQANASAKHS: Ayth einai h apoch sas, thn opoia qa diabasw me pollh prosoxh, ayrio.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Genike, posoi exoyn zhthsei akomh na perasoyn; Posh einai h dynamh;

AQANASAKHS: To ti akribws exei dielqei, anakoinwnetai apo to GEEQA sth Qessalonikh. To gnwrizete. Giati yparxei kai mia axlh mysthrioy. Den yparxei kamia axlh mysthrioy. Oti exei dielqei apo th Qessalonikh, exei anakoinwqei apo to GEEQA, apo ton ajiwmatiko k. Lazaroy, an den kanw laqos, sth Qessalonikh, stoys synadelfoys ekei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ypobaloyn, omws, merikes hmeres h merikes ebdomades, prin erqoyn kapoio aithma gia na perasoyn. Yparxoyn tetoia aithmata;

AQANASAKHS: Ayta elegxontai kai antimetwpizontai kata periptwsh.

MPOYATAR: Pote perimenoyme toys 2000 Bretanoys sth Qessalonikh; Ayto eixe anakoinwqei apo to Londino. Toys perimenoyme;

AQANASAKHS: An yparjei kati sygkekrimeno qa sas enhmerwsw.

KARAMPASHS: Ligo diaforetiko, isws, qema: Ejakoloyqei na isxyei to atypo empargko sthn plhroforhsh apo to NATO pros th xwra mas;

AQANASAKHS: Qelete na me rwthsete, sygkekrimena, dioti h erwthsh sas periexei xarakthrismo-perigrafh, thn opoia an apodexqw prepei na apanthsw analytikotera.

KARAMPASHS: Symfwna me dhmosiografikes plhrofories, h enhmerwsh poy exoyn oi Ellhnes ajiwmatikoi poy metexoyn sta organa toy NATO.

AQANASAKHS: Syggnwmh, k. Karampash, ara, h erwthsh einai poia einai h enhmerwsh poy exoyn oi Ellhnes ajiwmatikoi. Ayth einai h kaqarh erwthsh, xwris ta symparomartoynta.

KARAMPASHS: Ayth einai h kaqarh erwthsh.

AQANASAKHS: Oi Ellhnes ajiwmatikoi, loipon, enhmerwnontai meta tis epixeirhseis gia ta apotelesmata toys. H ek twn proterwn enhmerwsh, ej oswn ki egw gnwrizw, ginetai metajy aytwn poy symmetexoyn sto sxediasmo kai stis epixeirhseis, stis opoies emeis den metexoyme, gia toys logoys toys opoioys gnwrizete.

KARAMPASHS: Ara, den enhmerwnomaste.

AQANASAKHS: Ayto einai symperasma.

ALEJAKH: Ma, to exei dhlwsei o k. Apostolakhs ayto. Exei bgei sthn thleorash...

AQANASAKHS: Ayto poy dhlwnw egw, exei dhlwsei kai o k. Apostolakhs.

ALEJAKH: Exei pei oti den mas enhmerwnoyn praktika...

AQANASAKHS: Parakalw, na anatrejete sthn apanthsh moy.

MPOYRDARAS: Mia dieykrinistikh erwthsh gia thn prohgoymenh apanthsh sas: Eipate oti oi dynameis poy metakinoyntai mesw Qessalonikhs pros ta Skopia den einai gia xersaies epixeirhseis, alla gia eirhneytikoys logoys;

AQANASAKHS: Nomizw oti hmoyn poly safhs. An diabasete to apomagnhtofwnhmeno keimeno, qa deite oti eipa pws einai sthn prooptikh ths sygkrothshs ths eirhneytikhs dynamhs.

MPOYRDARAS: Sto baqmo poy mas zhthqei na metexoyme ki emeis me dikes mas dynameis...

AQANASAKHS:... sas qymizw oti h qesh ths kybernhshs twn Skopiwn, opws exei diatypwqei mexri shmera, einai rhth kai kathgorhmatikh kata ths xrhsimopoihshs toy edafoys twn Skopiwn gia opoia allh epixeirhsh. Ayto synypologizetai stis apofaseis.

MPOYRDARAS: Symfwnoi. Sto baqmo poy mas zhthqei na metexoyme ki emeis me dikes mas dynameis, twn Enoplwn Dynamewn, s` ayth thn eirhneytikoy xarakthra dynamh poy sygkroteitai sta Skopia, qa pame;

AQANASAKHS: Eipa, to 501 Tagma. To poy qa paei, an qa paei, sta Skopia h kapoy alloy, den to gnwrizw.

KALOSTYPH: Eipate prohgoymenws oti yparxei symfwnia na sthsoyme allon enan kataylismo sta Skopia, peran twn triwn kataylismwn poy exoyme sthsei sthn Albania...

AQANASAKHS: To eipa pro hmerwn...

KALOSTYPH: Ayto me ta Skopia, den to qymamai, prepei na einai mia kainoyrgia skech...

AQANASAKHS:... Kai tote, eixa pei edw, oti ginotan syzhthsh...

KALOSTYPH: Ara, loipon, oi metakinhseis twn dynamewn mesw Qessalonikhs pros ta Skopia einai dhlwtikoi oti qa efarmostei kapoia symfwnia eirhneyshs, opote gi` ayto etoimazontai;

AQANASAKHS: H deyterh apanthsh moy, prohgoymenws, aforoyse sthn tyxon eirhneytikh dynamh.

KALOSTIPH: Allo to ena, allo to allo.

AQANASAKHS: An pame na sygkrothsoyme enan kataylismo sta Skopia, qa pame na ton sygkrothsoyme kai na ton paradwsoyme. Einai mia allh doyleia. Opws phgame sto Pogradets. Sto Pogradets, jerete, oti mesa se poly liges hmeres phgan sygkekrimenes eidikothtes, sygkekrimena ylika kai sygkrothqhke enas kataylismos. Antistoixa, exei symfwnhqei na ginei sta Skopia.

KALOSTIPH: Alla h xersaia epembash mesw Qessalonikhs einai...

AQANASAKHS: Asxeto...

KARAMPASHS: H sygkrothsh aytoy toy Tagmatos ginetai eqelontika h ginetai ypoxrewtika me ta fylla poreias poy pairnoyn; Kai deyteron, poia amoibh qa paroyn oi andres poy qa metexoyn s` aythn;

AQANASAKHS: H amoibh, ypoqetw, oti qa einai h problepomenh gia paramonh sto ejwteriko. Den eimai eidikos epi toy stratiwtikoy logistikoy. H sygkrothsh se oti afora toys strateysimoys, nomizw oti ginetai kat` arxhn eqelontika. Mporw kai na to elegjw. Gnwrizw, dhladh, oti apo aytoys poy hdh exoyn paei sto ejwteriko, yphrxan ajiwmatikoi, ypajiwmatikoi kai oi 5etoys qhteias. Ews twra einai 24, nomizw strateysimoi, oi opoioi jerw oti exoyn paei eqelontika. Nomizw oti sthn idia bash ginetai kai h sygkrothsh toy 501 Tagmatos.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Sthn apofash gia na metabei eidiko Tagma sthn perioxh me aformh thn krish sto Kossobo, exei syzhthqei apo thn ellhnikh kybernhsh, edw kai para polloys mhnes.. Dedomenoy oti apo tote poy lhfqhke ayth h apofash, mexri shmera, exei mesolabhsei enas polemos. Ta nea dedomena elhfqhsan ypoch apo thn kybernhsh, wste na parameinei ayto poy apofasisthke, akomh prin jekinhsoyn oi natoikes epixeirhseis;

AQANASAKHS: Ola ta dedomena lambanontai ypoch apo thn kybernhsh.

PANAGOPOYLOS: Ta amerikanika elikoptera poy metaferoyn anqrwpistikh bohqeia apo ta Tirana sth boreio Albania kai sta synora, stamathsan edw kai epta hmeres na petoyn pros ta ekei gia logoys asfaleias. Ta ellhnika petoyn. Emeis den exoyme problhma; Den fobomaste tipota ekei;

AQANASAKHS: Den to gnwrizw etsi to qema, k. Panagopoyle. Den exw ayth thn ektimhsh pragmatwn thn opoia paroysiazete.

PANAGOPOYLOS: Hmoyn ekei kai to jerw.

AQANASAKHS: Pisteyw oti sto baqmo poy synexizontai oi pthseis twn ellhnikwn elikopterwn gia th metafora ths anqrwpistikhs bohqeias, lambanontai ta aparaithta metra mesa se mia genika dyskolh katastash. Den eipe kaneis oti pane... ekdromh.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, exei jekaqarisei gia thn kybernhsh h diadikasia basei ths opoias qa lhfqoyn oi opoies apofaseis poy qa kaqoristoyn apo tis ejelijeis gia th metakinhsh stratiwtikwn dynamewn toy NATO mesw ths Elladas; Dhladh, gia thn kybernhsh einai jekaqaro oti h ermhneia poy edwse to ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas, peri toy arqroy 28 toy Syntagmatos, einai ayth h anamenetai na anazhthqei allh diadikasia mesw ths Boylhs, endexomenws, mesw synennohsewn me ta kommata;

AQANASAKHS: Exoyme janamilhsei gi` ayto to qema, edw.

MIXAHL: To epanaferw, giati teleytaia akoygontai epifylajeis h kai kritikh apo arketa kommata gia to ti akribws einai. Kai to qema einai politiko, den einai nomiko.

AQANASAKHS: Exei apanthqei to qema ayto. Lew, omws, oti anafereste, xwris na to exete pei, se periptwsh xersaiwn epixeirhsewn. Apofeygw, opws gnwrizete, na topoqethqw gi ayto to qema poy tiqetai se ypoqetikh bash, enw den exei syzhthqei akomh sta armodia organa. Kai elpizoyme na mh xreiastei na teqei.

MIXAHL: Epitrecte moy na kanw ligo diaforetika thn erwthsh.

AQANASAKHS: Den nomizw oti yparxei anapanthto qema ep` aytoy.

MIXAHL: Qa sas rwthsw kati paremferes: H kybernhsh meta th Synodo Koryfhs toy NATO, sxediazei na enhmerwsei ta politika kommata kai th Boylh gia to ti qa exei syzhthqei kai ti qa exei apofasistei to epomeno trihmero sthn Oyasigkton;

AQANASAKHS: Se oti afora ta politika kommata eimai bebaios, oti efoson yparjei anagkh, o Prwqypoyrgos mporei na organwsei tetoies synanthseis. Kai bebaiws, kaqe fora -ean to zhthsoyn oi arxhgoi twn kommatwn- o Prwqypoyrgos einai panta sth diaqesh toys.

Deyteron, se oti afora th Boylh, gnwrizete oti exoyn programmatistei hdh dyo syzhthseis to epomeno diasthma. Den eimai proxeiros gia tis akribeis hmeromhnies. Perilambanoyn kai ta qemata ayta. Mporei me genikoteroys titloys, alla perilambanontai kai ayta ta qemata.

KALOSTYPH: Legetai kai akoygetai synexws oti oi dynameis toy Stratoy poy metakinoyntai pros Albania kai pros Skopia gia na bohqhsoyn sthn antimetwpish twn problhmatwn, mpainei ki ena "dhqen" mprosta....

AQANASAKHS: Syggnwmh poy sas diakoptw, alla edw yparxei mia shmantikotath ellhnikh paroysia sthn paroxh anqrwpistikhs bohqeias se ena dyskolo pedio, toso sthn Albania -sthn Albania, opoy dinoyme to paron me toys kataylismoys poy exoyme dhmioyrghsei- oso kai sth metafora anqrwpistikhs bohqeias sta Skopia, kaqws kai mesa sto Kossobo, sto opoio epishs -epanalambanw- oti qa synexistei h roh anqrwpistikhs bohqeias.

H paroysia toy ellhnikoy stratoy exei ektimhqei apo toys pantes. Exoyme prwtoporhsei, exoyme sygkrothsei kataylismoys prosfygwn kai toys exoyme qesei se leitoyrgia, katw apo poly dyskoles synqhkes xwris, bebaiws, ayto na shmainei oti lynetai to problhma twn prosfygwn. Exoyme metaferei xiliades skhnes apo edw, polles prokataskeyasmenes oikeies. Einai mia oloklhrh epixeirhsh thn opoia exei ferei epityxws se peras o ellhnikos stratos kyriws, kaqws kai oi alles yphresies poy exoyn emplakei s` ayto ypo thn epopteia toy ypoyrgeioy Eswterikwn kai bebaiws, oi ellhnikes mh Kybernhtikes organwseis poy me ta melh toys metexoyn, oles aytes tis hmeres, mesa se ena dyskolo periballon, sthn paroxh anqrwpistikhs bohqeias.

KALOSTYPH: Giati den yparxei periptwsh aytes oi dynameis na emplakoyn se otidhpote...

AQANASAKHS: Einai allos o rolos toys. H Ellhnikh Dynamh Albanias, gia paradeigma, egkrinetai apo thn Albanikh Boylh kaqe 6 mhnes. Einai alles diadikasies.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Xqes kai proxqes, eixame merika perierga peristatika. Organa ths tajhs arxisan na syllambanoyn anqrwpoys oi opoioi ekdhlwnan thn apoch toys, thn antidrash toys, sth drasthriothta twn symmaxikwn dynamewn toy NATO sthn perioxh ths Gioygkoslabias.

AQANASAKHS: Eimai bebaios oti kaneis den syllambanetai gia th diatypwsh diaforetikhs apochs.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Aytoi oi opoioi grafoyn synqhmata stoys toixoys kata toy NATO, einai entolh ths kybernhshs na phgainoyn sta astynomika tmhmata kai na jegymnwnontai;

AQANASAKHS: H entolh ths kybernhshs, se kaqe periptwsh, einai h thrhsh twn nomwn. Den mporw na apodexqw th bash ths erwthshs sas, opws antilambaneste, xwris na amfisbhthsw ayth th stigmh to reportaz sas. Ean h opote symbei kati, opws ayto poy lete, ginontai ereynes. Egw sas lew th genikh moy qesh. H entolh ths kybernhshs einai h efarmogh twn nomwn. Ayto isxyei kai se oti afora ta organa ths tajhs.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Den yparxei zhthma reportaz, yparxei zhthma gegonotwn. Proxqes, synelhfqhsan treis nearoi, oi opoioi egrafan synqhma ston toixo. Paranomo; Paranomo kata thn...

AQANASAKHS: Apo th stigmh poy egw den hmoyn ekei, k. Mpogiopoyle, einai reportaz.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Ayto poy qelw egw na rwthsw einai, an h kybernhsh protiqetai na diereynhsei ta peristatika, ta opoia eixan san apotelesma treis nearoi anqrwpoi na syrqoyn sto astynomiko tmhma, na ypostoyn ejeytelistikoys...

AQANASAKHS: Profanws, opws prokyptei kai apo thn prohgoymenh apanthsh thn opoia sas edwsa, alla kai apo thn praktikh ths kybernhshs thn opoia gnwrizete apo alles periptwseis tetoiwn kataggeliwn, ta organa toy kratoys ofeiloyn na kinoyntai profanws kai ta idia, apolytws, entos twn plaisiwn toy nomoy. Opote yparxei opoiadhpote kataggelia, ayth profanws ereynatai.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Epi toy sygkekrimenoy, exete kati na apanthsete;

AQANASAKHS: An eixa kati epi toy sygkekrimenoy, kai to eixa elegjei kai eixa milhsei me to ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs, qa mporoysa na sas pw oti doqhke, hdh, entolh gia ereyna. Den to exw ayto kai den to hlegja. Mporei na exei ekdoqei anakoinwsh apo to ypoyrgeioy Dhmosias Tajhs, alla na mhn th gnwrizw.

MPOYATAR: Oi S-300 efqasan, telika, sthn Krhth; Kai hrqan oloklhrwtika h se kommatia kai pote kai poy problepetai...

AQANASAKHS: Gia toys pyrayloys S-300 gnwrizete tis qeseis ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, oi qeseis aytes isxyoyn.

MPOYATAR: Oxi, den einai h qesh poy me endiaferei, rwthsa an efqasan oi pyrayloi...

AQANASAKHS: Sas eixame enhmerwsei, oti problepetai h egkatastash thn Krhth.

MPOYATAR: Pote kai poy;

AQANASAKHS: Egine h metafora.

MPOYATAR: Oloy toy systhmatos;

AQANASAKHS: Egine h metafora.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Se oti afora to qema ths anaptyjhs twn pyraylwn, egine h paralabh kai...;

AQANASAKHS: Den exw kanena logo na kanw kamia peraiterw dhlwsh h anakoinwsh gia to qema ayto.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Yparxei ena dhmosieyma sthn "EJOYSIA" poy mila gia paraithsh toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn G. Papandreoy. Isxyei;

AQANASAKHS: O ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn askei me apolyth epityxia ta kaqhkonta toy. Shmera, exei synanthsh me thn Amerikanida ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn k. Olmprait. Anafores se paraithsh toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn, gia opoiondhpote logo, qa mporoysan na dhmioyrghsoyn problhmata. Den yparxei qema paraithshs toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn. Oson afora ta dhmosieymata -poy kai egw eida- gia th lista twn Eyrweklogwn k. lp. ayta den exoyn katalhjei. Den to lew gia na afhsw anoikto to qema. Sas ejhgw oti ep` aytoy, epeidh yparxei diafora wras me tis HPA, den eixa th dynatothta na epikoinwnhsw gia na sas milhsw me sigoyria ena ekatommyrio tois ekato. Oytws h allws, ej oswn gnwrizw, oi ypochfiothtes gia thn Epitroph prepei na exoyn epidoqei, ews tis 10 Maioy, prin apo tis Eyrwekloges... Ara, kai ek twn pragmatwn den stekei mia diadikasia poy leei... epikefalhs toy eyrw-chfodeltioy kai sth synexeia Epitropos... Den yparxei tetoio qema.

MOYRTHS: Yparxei epilogh, apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs, toy proswpoy poy qa protaqei ws Epitropos ths xwras;

AQANASAKHS: Otan lhjei ayto to qema, qa anakoinwqei.

MOYRTHS: Den yparxei, dhladh, apofash.

AQANASAKHS: Oxi, den eipa ayto. O Prwqypoyrgos mporei na exei katalhjei. Den to gnwrizw. Oi anakoinwseis ginontai sthn wra toys.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, einai anagkh na doqei mia dieykrinistikh apanthsh se synexeia toy qematos me th N. D. kai ton k. Sphliwtopoylo.. Dhlwnei h ND oti oxi mono den einai yper twn bombardismwn, alla, safws, den ypegrace pote yper aytwn. Kai malista, leei, ekane kai kinhseis sto ELK enantion twn bombardismwn. Sas epikrinei de me poly sklhra logia gia tis xqesines sas dhlwseis.

AQANASAKHS: Xqes edwsa mia safh kai syntomh apanthsh stis anakoinwseis ths ND, thn opoia sas diabazw:

"Xreiasthke na perasoyn dekatreis oloklhres meres, apo tis 8 Aprilioy, gia na anakalycoyn h ND kai o ekproswpos ths kai na yposthrijoyn oti h ND den chfise thn apofash toy ELK kai na prosfygoyn sthn epiklhsh eqnikwn logwn gia na dikaiologhsoyn thn ews shmera -ews xqes- afwnia toys. Qa xreiastei poly ligoteros xronos gia na katalaboyn oti me tetoia efeyrhmata, oxi mono den kerdizoyn tipota, alla synexizoyn na ektiqentai".

Diabazw shmera sthn efhmerida "TO BHMA" ena reportaz to opoio qewrw egkyro - qa doyme an yparjei apanthsh ths ND- to opoio leei, diabazw: "oti sth Synodo Koryfhs toy ELK, stis 24 Martioy, sthn opoia meteixe kai o k. Karamanlhs, yphrje chfisma to opoio katadikaze th serbikh pleyra kai xarakthrize anapofeykth thn epembash toy NATO. O proedros k. Martens htan malista kathgorhmatikos kata toy Milosebits. Apo toys paristamenoys monon o Soyhdos k. Karl Mpilnt, prwhn apestalmenos sth Bosnia, kai h kyria Nantzeza Mixahloba, h ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn ths Boylgarias, katadikasan toys bombardismoys, proeidopoihsan gia to qema twn prosfygwn kai epemeinan oti h NATOikh epixeirhsh den qa ferei kanena apotelesma. Xwris na yparjei katagegrammenh epifylajh apo ton k. Karamanlh., diapistwnw egw apo to dhmosieyma.

Sas ypenqymizw oti to qema, edw, sto Press Room, den eteqh se kamia periptwsh ws qema gia to poios einai yper h kata mias qeshs. To qema jekinhse apo mia syzhthsh gia th diglwssia kai ws apanthsh, apo thn pleyra ths Kybernhshs, se kataggelies ths ND gia diglwssia ths kybernhshs.

Epanalambanw, loipon, xwris antiparaqesh kai xwris xarakthrismoys: H Kybernhsh den exei apokrycei tis qeseis ths, qeseis poy pairnei eite sto ejwteriko -stoys dieqneis organismoys stoys opoioys metexei h xwra - eite sto eswteriko. Antiqetws qewrw oti h ND h opoia hgeire to qema ths dhqen diglwssias ths Kybernhshs, htan ekeinh h opoia apekryce systhmatika tis qeseis tis opoies pairnoyn - me th symmetoxh ths h oxi se oles tis diadikasies, adiaforo- ta adelfa ths kommata.

Den mpainei to qema sth bash twn "kalwn sosialistwn" h twn "kakwn xristianodhmokratwn". Mpainei se ayth th bash poy sas lew: sth bash ths diglwssias. Shmeiwnw oti sth xqesinh syzhthsh poy eixame me ton k. Sphliwtopoylo, h prwth ekdoxh toy htan oti to chfisma den perase dioti katachfisthke (diabazw apo to apomagnhtofwnhmeno keimeno poy dieneime h ND). Otan epishmanqhke oti yparxei sto INTERNET, phgame sto oti einai ena keimeno to opoio katachfisan. Kai ligo parakatw, sthn epomenh selida, phgame sto "to katachfisame kai to apokhryssoyme".

Teleytaio shmeio: Xqes to brady o k. Sphliwtopoylos kai h ND epikalesthkan eqnikoys logoys gia th mh apanthsh toys oles aytes tis hmeres. Emeis apo thn pleyra mas - leei h ND- prospaqwntas na diathrhsoyme, gia eynohtoys eqnikoys logoys, se xamhloys tonoys thn antiparaqesh sto qema ayto, eixame apo thn perasmenh Deytera arkestei na parathrhsoyme oti qa htan eyxhs ergon o k. Shmiths kai h kybernhsh na symperiferotan opws h ND.

Ypenqymizw mono to ejhs: h anafora sthn anakoinwsh toy ELK, to perasmeno Sabbato apo ton ypoyrgo k. Reppa, egine oxi prwtogenws, alla se apanthsh toy se anakoinwsh ths ND, h opoia anaferotan sthn omilia toy prwqypoyrgoy sthn KE toy kommatos.

Sas diabazw apo ayth thn anakoinwsh ths ND: "Oi eqnika epikindynes asynarthsies poy periferei o k. Shmiths tis teleytaies hmeres, ws dhqen sxedio eirhneyshs kai anaptyjhs sta Balkania, den einai mono gia eswterikh katanalwsh, alla apeyqynontai kyriws sto komma toy". Kai parakatw: " Epishmainoyme thn prwtofanh aneyqynothta, thn opoia epideiknyei o prwqypoyrgos, xeirizomenos ta eqnika qemata gia kommatikoys kai proswpikoys skopoys".

Ayto, gia ton k. Sphliwtopoylo kai me bash th xqesinh anakoinwsh toy, einai "diathrhsh, gia eynohtoys eqnikoys logoys, xamhlwn tonwn"! !! Teleia kai payla.

Sas eyxaristw.

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