Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-02-24

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 24 Febroyarioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Synedriase h Kybernhtikh Epitroph kai h Politikh Grammateia. Qa elega oti h synedriash ayth xwristhke se dyo tmhmata: Kata to prwto, syzhthqhkan diafora politika, bebaiws, qemata, ypo to prisma ths anagkhs ths praktikhs antimetwpishs toys. Tetoia qemata einai h asfalhs metafora twn politwn poy briskontai sthn presbeia sto Nairompi. Einai h diadikasia ths sygkrothshs ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs, gia thn opoia ekane sxetikh anakoinwsh o Prwqypoyrgos kai diafora alla qemata, opws h sygkentrwsh toy aparaithtoy ylikoy, prokeimenoy na katartisoyme ena fakelo gia thn ypoqesh ayth, o opoios qa xrhsimopoihqei gia logoys plhroforhshs, alla kai yposthrijhs twn politikwn xeirismwn poy kanoyme, meta tis teleytaies ejelijeis.

To deytero tmhma ayths ths synedriashs exei sxesh me thn politikh ejelijh kai tis prwtoboylies ths kybernhshs kai toy PASOK. Epanabebaiwqhke omoqymws oti o politikos sxediasmos poy exoyme ejaggeilei paramenei o idios. Exoyme mprosta mas tesseris staqmoys: to Synedriotis Eyrwekloges, thn entajh ths xwras sthn ONE kai tis ekloges toy 2000. Me bash ayton ton arxiko sxediasmo proxwroyme kai opoies prwtoboylies analambanoyme, prepei na exoyn stereo edafos kai safh afethria. Gi' ayto akribws proexei h diasfalish twn orwn gia thn politikh staqerothta sto eswteriko ths xwras. Den prokeitai na epitrecoyme na diakybeyqei h poreia ths xwras pros toys megaloys stoxoys poy exoyme qesei. Epishs, ektimhqhke oti h ypoqesh Otsalan, meta tis dysmeneis ejelijeis qa exei ena sxetiko xroniko makros. Oi ejelijeis ayths ths ypoqeshs kai o tropos me ton opoio h Toyrkia qa xeiristei to qema, qa exoyn ej antikeimenoy tis epidraseis toys sth dieqnh koinh gnwmh kai sthn Ellada. Einai safhs h qesh ths kybernhshs oti den qa epitrecoyme sthn Toyrkia na anadeixqei se ryqmisth twn eswterikwn ejelijewn sth xwra mas. Epeidh akribws -exei ginei hdh kai anamenoyme na ginei akomh perissotero thn epomenh periodo- h Toyrkia qa trofodotei ta Mesa Enhmerwshs me eikones, me dhqen martyries toy A. Otsalan, oi opoies qa exoyn profanh stoxo na ephreasoyn thn isorropia stis ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis, sthn kateyqynsh na allajoyn ayth thn isorropia, yper ths Toyrkias. Pragma to opoio den prokeitai na ginei dekto apo thn patrida mas. Qa apokroysqei kaqe tetoia apopeira, kaqe tetoia prospaqeia. Einai safhs h qesh mas ayth.

En katakleidi, epanabebaiwqhke h politikh poy exoyme ejaggeilei ws kybernhsh kai h poreia poy to komma mas exei diagracei gia thn epomenh periodo kai gia mia akomh fora, ola ta melh ths Politikhs Grammateias kai ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs epanelaban th qesh toys oti h stash einai koinh apenanti sta problhmata poy exoyn dhmioyrghqei. H antimetwpish twn qematwn ginetai apo koinoy kai ayto gia na exei qetika apotelesmata, apaitei th syntonismenh prospaqeia olwn twn stelexwn kai th synexh paroysia toys, pragma to opoio apotelei qesh kai kateyqynsh, h opoia bgainei ws apotelesma ths shmerinhs koinhs synedriashs twn dyo organwn.

Ayta se poly genikes grammes san eisagwgh, doqentos oti den elhfqhsan kapoies apofaseis, oi opoies qa odhgoysan se sygkekrimenes anakoinwseis. Antilambaneste pws egine mia antallagh problhmatismwn kai ektimhseis kai analyseis gia tis politikes ejelijeis apo ta diafora stelexh. H syzhthsh, dhladh, eixe ena tetoio xarakthra. Ayto poy menei einai oti epanabebaiwnoyme ton politiko sxediasmo mas, proxwroyme me bash toys tesseris staqmoys poy exoyme ejaggeilei. H stash olwn einai koinh kai koinh einai h antimetwpish twn problhmatwn poy exoyn dhmioyrghqei. Proexei ayth thn wra na oloklhrwsoyme to ergo mas kai na mhn epitrecoyme na diakybeytei h poreia ths xwras pros thn ONE kai pros thn epiteyjh twn megalwn stoxwn poy exei qesei h xwra kai epishs, den qa epitrecoyme h Toyrkia na xrhsimopoihsei ayth thn ypoqesh, prokeimenoy na ephreasei tis ejelijeis sthn Ellada. Giati, den epitrepoyme na ginei h Toyrkia ryqmisths twn politikwn ejelijewn sthn Ellada.

Ayto, nomizw oti einai se poly genikes grammes, to symperasma, to apaygasma aytwn twn syzhthsewn.

ELENOPOYLOS: Epi ths oysias ths syzhthshs yphrje topoqethsh meloys twn dyo organwn me thn opoia na askeitai kritikh se qemata xeirismwn, paroysias ths kybernhshs, toy kommatos h kati allo;

REPPAS: Xeirismwn kai paroysias, gia poio qema;

ELENOPOYLOS: Epi ths ypoqeshs Otsalan.

REPPAS: Den egine kamia tetoia syzhthsh, den egine kamia anafora sthn proistoria h sta istorika gegonota. Den egine kamia syzhthsh, dhladh, gi' ayta ta opoia prohghqhkan.

ELENOPOYLOS: Sta gegonota poy qa erqoyn, opws to Synedrio, an prepei na allajei kati klp...;

REPPAS: Epanelaban ola ta melh twn dyo organwn oti to Synedrio prepei na ginei kanonika. Malista, kapoioi emfantika eipan oti isa-isa twra einai h katallhlh stigmh gia na ginei to Synedrio toy Kinhmatos, opws exoyme ejaggeilei.

ELENOPOYLOS: Mia dieykrinish: H Koinoboyleytikh Omada kai h Kentrikh Epitroph apofasisthke an qa synedriasoyn kai pote;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw na exoyn lhfqei oi telikes apofaseis gia thn hmeromhnia synedriashs aytwn twn organwn. Jerw oti qa synedriasei, asfalws, h Kentrikh Epitroph, prin apo to Synedrio. Gnwrizete oti o Prwqypoyrgos anaxwrei ayrio gia th Bonnh, ap' opoy prokeitai na epistrecei thn Tetarth, doqentos oti qa metabei kai sto Synedrio toy Sosialistikoy Eyrwpaikoy Kommatos sto Milano.

KIAOS: Den qa erqei edw apo th Bonnh;

REPPAS: Qa epistrecei apo th Bonnh thn Paraskeyh to brady, prokeimenoy na labei meros stis ekloges gia thn anadeijh twn synedrwn toy PASOK kai thn Kyriakh to apogeyma qa anaxwrhsei gia to Milano.

KIAOS: Eipate oti "den qa epitrecoyme na anadeixqei h Toyrkia se ryqmisth... ". Me poio tropo;

REPPAS: Me to na katasthsoyme safes oti h Toyrkia apo thn ypoqesh ayth prospaqei na kerdoskophsei politika kai eqnika se baros ths Elladas. Prepei, loipon, na eimaste etoimoi na antimetwpisoyme ayth thn propagandistikh mhxanh poy exei qesei se leitoyrgia. Kaqws qa proxwroyn oi ereynes eite sto plaisio ths ejetashs poy kanei o eisaggelikos leitoyrgos, eite sto plaisio ths ypo systash Ejetastikhs Epitrophs, ta stoixeia ta opoia qa erxontai sthn epifaneia, pisteyw oti qa aposafhnizoyn thn katastash, qa kanoyn to topio na einai pio kaqaro kai etsi h kybernhsh qa mporei poly pio eykola na antimetwpisei aytes tis kathgories poy mexri twra diatypwnontai astoxa kai atekmhriwta, gia eyqynes ths tetoioy epipedoy, poy fqanoyn dhladh mexri toy shmeioy na kathgoreitai h kybernhsh oti paredwse, entos h ektos eisagwgikwn, ton k. Otsalan. Pragmata anepitrepta. H Toyrkia, loipon, qa prospaqhsei na xrhsimopoihsei ayto to xarti se baros ths Elladas. Emeis pisteyoyme oti oloi antilambanontai pws ayto einai ena paixnidi to opoio thn eynoei. Den qa prepei na pagideytoyme s' ayth thn epidiwjh ths kai me ayth thn ennoia den qa epitrecoyme -epanalambanw- h Toyrkia na ginei ryqmisths twn ejelijewn sthn Ellada.

KIAOS: Ayto einai h proqesh poy exete na mhn epitrecete -epitrecte moy na to lew- alla to apotelesma den to jerete.

REPPAS: Oxi, alla fantazomai oti oloi kai eseis kai oi alloi polites qa symballoyn s' ayth thn kateyqynsh, giati oloi pisteyw oti exoyme thn idia qesh.

KIAOS: Ayto einai allo pragma, einai mia ekklhsh...

REPPAS: Ma, to qewrw dedomeno oti qa symballoyn oloi s' ayth thn kateyqynsh. Den dianooymai oti yparxei kapoios o opoios qa epiqymoyse oi eswterikes ejelijeis sthn Ellada na mhn einai apotelesma twn protimhsewn, ths boylhshs toy ellhnikoy laoy h twn antiproswpwn toy kai na einai apotelesma xeirismwn poy qa kanei h Toyrkia. Den to dianooymai.

KIAOS: Sto allo poy anaferqhkate, sthn ejelijh twn diadikasiwn me ton Eisaggelea klp., yparxei mia entypwsh san na prokaqorizete ekbash twn diadikasiwn aytwn, dioti lete qa dwsoyn ta stoixeia, qa kanoyn klp. Mhpws jerete, ti stoixeia qa bgoyn;

REPPAS: Jeroyme poly kala poia einai h emplokh ths kybernhshs kai poies einai oi eyqynes ths kybernhshs, epeidh akribws gnwrizoyme, ws kybernhsh, poia einai h alhqeia gia ta gegonota ayta. Kai gnwrizoyme ti einai ayto to opoio eystaqei kai ti einai ayto to opoio den antapokrinetai sthn alhqeia, para ta osa polla adika kai astoxa enantion ths kybernhshs exoyn eipwqei. Gi' ayto akribws den exoyme kanena fobo, oti mporei na prokycoyn qemata, ta opoia qa feroyn thn kybernhsh se dyskolh qesh. Allwste, h kybernhsh einai ayth, to PASOK einai ayto to opoio proxwra sthn prwtoboylia gia systash Ejetastikhs Epitrophs. Ayto dinei thn kalyterh apanthsh.

KIAOS: O Kalinteridhs einai praktoras ths Mosant;

REPPAS: H kybernhsh den einai dynaton, kaqws h ereyna, poy diejagetai se dyo epipeda, molis twra jekina, na diatypwsei opoioysdhpote tetoioys xarakthrismoys, poly perissotero otan oi xarakthrismoi aytoi isodynamoyn me kathgoria.

KIAOS: O k. Giannopoylos to eipe.

REPPAS: O k. Giannopoylos metefere mia apo tis fhmes oi opoies kykloforoyn kai dystyxws kykloforoyn para polles fhmes aytes tis hmeres. O k. Giannopoylos oyte katesthse kapoion ypopto, oyte kathggeile kapoion. O k. Giannopoylos eipe oti metajy twn pollwn allwn legetai kai ayto. Einai adiko, loipon, na toy apodidetai ayth h momfh, oti peripoy kathggeile h kathgorhse kapoion. Den ekane ayto o k. Giannopoylos. H kybernhsh, epanalambanw kai ayto einai safes, den prokeitai na mpei s` ayto to paixnidi. H kybernhsh empisteyetai ta armodia organa kai toys foreis poy exoyn analabei th diejagwgh ths sxetikhs ereynas kai qa anamenoyme ta porismata aytwn twn ereynwn.

KIAOS: Mporei enas ypoyrgos na bgainei dhmosia kai na metaferei fhmes;

REPPAS: Otan o kaqe ypoyrgos, o kaqe poliths brisketai apenanti se erwthseis oi opoies den einai tipote allo para h sympyknwsh fhmwn h prokateilhmmenwn kathgoriwn kata ths kybernhshs, mporei ki aytos na epikalestei diafora dhmosieymata, diafores apoceis h ekdoxes poy diatypwnontai sth dhmosia zwh. Den einai o kalyteros tropos gia na ginetai o dhmosios dialogos, poly perissotero otan o dialogos aytos afora mia toso poly eidikh periptwsh. Omws, einai adiko na kathgoreitai apo thn allh, oti kathgorhse kapoion, oti kathggeile kapoion, oti katesthse kapoion ypopto pws exei ena tetoio rolo.

KIAOS: To eidate, xqes;

REPPAS: Plhroforhqhka akribws to dialogo kai prepei na sas pw oti exei kanei kai shmera sxetikes dhlwseis o k. Giannopoylos, o opoios qetei ta pragmata sth swsth bash toys.

KIAOS: Zhthse ejhghseis o Prwqypoyrgos apo ton k. Giannopoylo;

REPPAS: Den exei logoys o Prwqypoyrgos na zhthsei ejhghseis apo ton k. Giannopoylo. O k. Giannopoylos den einai mono ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs, einai kai koryfaios nomikos kai gnwrizei poly kala ti einai ayto to opoio prepei kapoios na exei ypoch toy, prokeimenoy na probei se kataggelia h se kathgoria. Den yioqethse kamia tetoia apoch o k. Giannopoylos.

KIAOS: O k. Tsoxatzopoylos diatypwse, xqes, sth synedriash toy KYSEA, th dysareskeia toy gia to oti den enhmerwqhke;

REPPAS: O k. Tsoxatzopoylos ekane thn parathrhsh oti to ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas gia ena tetoio qema qa eprepe na exei apolyth enhmerwsh.

KIAOS: Epeidh eipate oti den elhfqhsan shmera apofaseis, mporei na lhfqoyn apofaseis apo ena atypo organo;

REPPAS: Ayth h koinh synedriash Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs kai Politikhs Grammateias exei parei, pleon, enan typiko xarakthra. Antilambaneste pws oi apofaseis ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, poy einai kybernhtiko organo, aforoyn epiloges ths kybernhshs, oi opoies exoyn to kyros apofasewn enos kybernhtikoy organoy. To oti ginetai gia polloys logoys apo koinoy ayth h synedriash, den alloiwnei se tipota ton egkyro xarakthra poy exoyn kai ta dyo organa -to ena gia to komma, to allo gia thn kybernhsh- oyte en pash periptwsei mporei na apallotriwsei to dikaiwma toys na apofasizoyn epi twn qematwn ths armodiothtas toys. Den yparxei tetoio qema. Allwste, tis epomenes hmeres, meta thn epistrofh toy Prwqypoyrgoy apo to ejwteriko, einai piqanotato na sygklhqei pali koinh synedriash twn dyo organwn, prokeimenoy na proxwrhsei parapera h syzhthsh poy egine shmera kai na exoyme, pleon, kai sygkekrimenes apofaseis.

KIAOS: Poioi phran meros sth synedriash; Apoysiaze kaneis;

REPPAS: Ola ta melh poy metexoyn s` ayta ta dyo organa. Mono o k. Papandreoy eleice gia kapoio xroniko diasthma, epeidh eprepe na einai sto ypoyrgeio toy gia na xeiristei qemata ta opoia einai se ejelijh.

KIAOS: Poia qemata;

REPPAS: O k. Papandreoy eprepe afenos na exei mia epikoinwnia gia qemata poy aforoyn th metafora twn politwn apo thn Presbeia sto Nairompi. Afeteroy, epeidh o k. Papandreoy einai neos ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn, exei jekinhsei enan kyklo epafwn. Prwton ap` oloys episkefqhke, shmera, kai enhmerwse ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias.

PODHMATA: Gia to qema twn politwn poy briskontai sthn Presbeia, sto Nairompi, yparxei kati newtero; Kai deyteron, tiqetai qema episkechs toy k. Papandreoy sto Nairompi;

REPPAS: Den yparxei tipota newtero. Sas lew oti ginontai oles oi aparaithtes energeies, oi opoies qa prepei na einai idiaiterws prosektikes kai na exoyn eystoxia, prokeimenoy na exoyme to kalytero dynato apotelesma. Qa moy epitrecete gia to qema ayto na mhn proxwrhsoyme se peraiterw syzhthsh. Antilambaneste pws oi synennohseis poy ginontai, den einai aparaithto na syzhthqoyn kai dhmosiws. Pantws, sas diabebaiwnw oti ginetai to kalytero dynato.

EYSTAQIOY: Hqela na sas rwthsw, an exei ypobalei paraithsh o k. Kosmidhs kai an tiqetai qema apomakrynshs toy apo th qesh toy Grammatea toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy.

REPPAS: Den eteqh tetoio qema.

EYSTAQIOY: Den eteqh shmera h genikws den exei teqei;

REPPAS: Den eteqh kai den yparxei tetoio qema.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Giannopoylos eipe, xqes, oti "gnwrizame oti o Kalinteridhs einai praktoras ths MOSANT". Efoson to gnwrize ayto h kybernhsh, ton esteile na synodeysei ton Otsalan; Einai dynaton!

REPPAS: Qa moy epitrecete na pw oti adikeite ton k. Giannopoylo otan toy apodidete ayth th momfh gi` ayto to qema..

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den ton adikw.

REPPAS: Kai en pash periptwsei, mias kai ergazeste se sygkekrimenh efhmerida, den antilambanomai pws diatypwnete ayth thn kathgoria enantion toy k. Giannopoyloy, thn idia stigmh kata thn opoia, sthn efhmerida poy ergazeste, me megala grammata, me phxyaioys titloys, gia arketes hmeres, paroysiazetai o Prwqypoyrgos ws "arxidosilogos". Apo poy prokyptei ayto;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Allo sas rwthsa, allo me rwtate eseis.

REPPAS: Sas apanthsa me to diko moy tropo, poy den sas ikanopoiei, profanws, alla einai h apanthsh moy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Steilate ton Kalinteridh poy, opws leei o k. Giannopoylos gnwrizate oti htan praktoras ths MOSANT kai twn Toyrkwn, giati toy erijan 16 xronia gia na glytwsei, opws eipe, na synodeysei ton Otsalan; Rwtaw.

REPPAS: Apanthsa, molis prin. Epanalambanete thn idia erwthsh, sas dinw thn idia apanthsh.

KARGOYDH: Hqela na rwthsw: O k. Alogoskoyfhs boyleyths kai stelexos ths Neas Dhmokratias qewrei oti den prepei na aneboyn allo oi tonoi enantion ths kybernhshs kai oti o k. Karamanlhs, kata kapoion tropo, einai synexisths ths entajhs sthn ONE. Hqela to sxolio ths kybernhshs.

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw akribws tis dhlwseis poy exei kanei o synadelfos. Dexomai oti einai aytes poy metaferete me thn erwthsh sas. Eggyhths gia thn poreia ths xwras pros to mellon kai thn entajh ths sthn ONE einai h kybernhsh. H kybernhsh einai ayth h opoia, makria apo laikismoys kai kairoskopismoys, exei askhsei mia politikh, wste na kalycoyme to keno poy eixe dhmioyrghqei kai yphrxe otan to 1993 analabame th diakybernhsh ths xwras. Tote h entajh sthn ONE fainotan apiasto oneiro. Shmera briskomaste se apostash anapnohs. Kata th diarkeia ths diakybernhshs ths xwras apo to PASOK, oi prwtoboylies twn kybernhsewn mas katakriqhkan, polles fores apo th N. D., gegonos poy shmainei oti yponomeyqhke h prospaqeia ths kybernhshs na kalycoyme ayth thn megalh apostash kai na proseggisoyme thn ONE. An, pragmati, eipe o k. Alogoskoyfhs oti den prepei na aneboyn allo oi tonoi, apantw pws den gnwrizw poso pio panw prepei na pane oi tonoi, meta ta osa eipe o arxhgos toy kommatos toy. O k. Karamanlhs exei zhthsei thn paraithsh toy k. Shmith. Twra paroysiazetai ws syneggyhths gia thn entajh ths xwras sthn ONE me ton k. Shmith, toy opoioy exei zhthsei thn paraithsh. Pisteyoyme oti ola ayta einai deigmata ths politikhs atonias sthn opoia exei perielqei h N. D., h opoia, profanws, adynatei na arqrwsei enan peistiko enallaktiko logo gia ta megala problhmata poy antimetwpizei h xwra.

KARGOYDH: Kai den einai, as poyme, ayto poy zhteitai toso kairo mia qetikh, epoikodomhtikh askhsh antipoliteyshs apo thn pleyra toy.

REPPAS: Qa moy epitrecete na pw oti oi tonoi anebhkan poly apo thn antipoliteysh kai apo ton k. Karamanlh. An o k. Alogoskoyfhs cegei aytoys poy anebasan toys tonoys se ayto to epipedo, asfalws cegei kai ton arxhgo toy.

TAKHS: H kybernhsh exei zhthsei th syndromh toy germanoy Presbh sthn Kenya gia thn asfalh metafora sto aerodromio, oswn briskontai sthn Ellhnikh Presbeia;

REPPAS: Sto plaisio ths epikoinwnias, twn diaboyleysewn, ths synennohshs me alloys paragontes, yparxei epikoinwnia kai me ton presbh ths Germanias, h opoia einai, kata thn periodo ayth, proedreyoysa xwra ths E. E.. Gia tis leptomereies, omws, olwn aytwn twn kinhsewn qa moy epitrecete na mh syzhthsoyme perissotero.

KARASABBA: Epanerxomai stis dhlwseis toy k. Giannopoyloy kai tis epiptwseis toys. Mporeite na epibebaiwsete ean yphrje kapoio grapto h proforiko diabhma apo to Israhl gia tis dhlwseis aytes;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw na exei diatypwqei opoiadhpote diaceysh, na exei ginei tetoio diabhma.

KARASABBA: Gia na katalabw swsta, meta apo aytes tis dhlwseis h ellhnikh kybernhsh qewrei oti den yparxei qema kai kalyptei oysiastika ton k. Giannopoylo gi` ayta poy eipe;

REPPAS: O k. Giannopoylos einai melos ths kybernhshs. Den kathgorhse kapoion. Eipe oti, metajy twn pollwn, legetai kai ayto. Den kathggeile, den yioqethse kathgoria.

PETOYRH: Tis teleytaies wres yparxei mia fhmologia oti epikeitai epembash twn kenyatikwn arxwn sthn presbeia mas sto Nairompi. Exete eseis kati sxetiko;

REPPAS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh exei epafh kai me thn kybernhsh ths Kenyas, prokeimenoy na metaferqoyn oi polites poy briskontai twra sthn ellhnikh presbeia. Oi synennohseis ginontai se tetoio klima, wste na mporei na dikaiologhqei aisiodojia oti oloi qa symbaloyn, prokeimenoy na oloklhrwqei ayth h epixeirhsh me epityxia, oti den qa dhmioyrghqoyn problhmata.

KYRIAKIDOY: Yparxei apo ellhnikhs pleyras kapoia enisxysh ths amynas twn synorwn h twn nhsiwn gia thn antimetwpish toy endexomenoy kapoioy qermoy epeisodioy;.

REPPAS: Isxyoyn ayta ta opoia eipa xqes. Eimaste se etoimothta. Mporei na pei kaneis oti exoyme labei metra ayjhmenhs epithrhshs en ocei opoioydhpote tetoioy endexomenoy, to opoio pantws ayth thn wra den to blepoyme, giati den exoyme kapoies peraiterw plhrofories. Alla, bebaiws, ayta ta metra ayjhmenhs epithrhshs exoyn lhfqei.

FILHS: O k. Prwqypoyrgos sto periqwrio h sto deipno ths ektakths Synodoy Koryfhs sth Bonnh qa epidiwjei na exei mia dhlwsh allhleggyhs twn koinotikwn etairwn pros thn Ellada, se sxesh me thn peripeteia poy antimetwpizei me aformh thn ypoqesh Otsalan;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos, sto plaisio ths Synodoy Koryfhs, meqayrio, qa epidiwjei dimereis epafes me oso to dynaton perissoteroys hgetes xwrwn ths E. E., prokeimenoy na toys qesei ta problhmata poy exoyn dhmioyrghqei kai gia thn Ellada, meta tis teleytaies ejelijeis. H dhlwsh poy ekane o ypoyrgos Eswterikwn ths Germanias einai endeiktikh. Thn exete ypoch sas. O k. Sili eipe oti to qema den einai na ejetasoyme ti akribws egine sthn Ellada h poia einai h eyqynh poy isws exei h Ellada. To qema einai oti edw yparxei ena problhma to opoio mporoyse na jespasei se opoiadhpote allh xwra ths E. E.. Kai prepei twra na doyme pws qa antimetwpisoyme thn katastash poy exei dhmioyrghqei. O Prwqypoyrgos, loipon, qa epidiwjei na enhmerwsei gia to qema ayto kai na katasthsei koinwnoys twn ellhnikwn qesewn toys hgetes twn xwrwn ths E. E. kai na exei th dikh toys qesh panw stoys ajones toys opoioys o idios exei diatypwsei ek meroys ths Elladas gia ta qemata poy exoyn prokycei meta th syllhch toy Ampntoylax Otsalan.

FILHS: Symfwna me osa metadidontai apo th xqesinh synanthsh twn Ypoyrgwn Eswterikwn twn xwrwn-melwn ths E. E. epikrathse sth Synodo ena klima periorismoy twn politikwn kai allwn drasthriothtwn twn Koyrdwn poy zoyn se xwres ths E. E. kai syzhtoyntai kapoia metra, se sxesh genikotera me tis koyrdikes organwseis. H Ellada eyqygrammizetai se ayth thn kateyqynsh h qa epidiwjei na diathrhsei thn idiomorfia poy eixan mexri twra oi koyrdikes organwseis sth xwra mas;

REPPAS: H Ellada den exei kapoio kaqestws idiomorfias, oson afora thn paroysia kai thn edw drasthriothta organwsewn poy ekproswpoyn Koyrdoys polites. Gnwrizete, poly kala, oti se polles xwres ths E. E. leitoyrgei ayto to metwpo twn Koyrdwn. Apo ekei kai pera, se kaqe xwra -kai th dikh mas- to Syntagma kai oi nomoi orizoyn to plaisio entos toy opoioy prepei na kineitai kaqe poliths poy zei sth xwra. Na einai, dhladh, nomimh h drasthriothta poy anaptyssei. Ayto exei epiteyxqei kai ayto qa synexisei na ginetai. Den tiqetai qema periorismoy h ayjhshs kapoiwn dikaiwmatwn. Ta dikaiwmata orizontai safws apo to Syntagma kai toys nomoys toy kratoys poy prepei na ginontai sebastoi kai na throyntai.

MOSXOBAS: Qa hqela na epimeinw stis dhlwseis toy k. Giannopoyloy: Kat` arxhn, h kybernhsh symmerizetai tis dhlwseis toy k. Giannopoyloy, oti o k. Kalinteridhs einai praktoras ths Mosant; Deyteron, epitrepetai o Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs na probainei se tetoies dhlwseis; Kai triton, qa hqela na rwthsw an exei jekinhsei, opws o idios o k. Giannopoylos dhlwse se ena radiostaqmo shmera to prwi, ereyna gia ton k. Kalinteridh.

REPPAS: Apanthsa gia ola ayta ta qemata. O Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs den einai mono Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs, einai kai nomikos. Kai gnwrizete poly kala oti ayto toy dinei th dynatothta na xeirizetai ta qemata me megalh eyaisqhsia kai prosoxh. Qa prepei na pw oti gi` ayth thn poly sobarh ypoqesh, den prepei na diatypwnontai atekmhriwtes kai asthrixtes kathgories. Kai ayto ginetai se megalo baqmo thn teleytaia periodo. Apenanti se tetoia erwthmata-kathgories breqhke kai o Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs. O Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs me ayta ta opoia eipe, oyte kathggeile, oyte yioqethse dhmosieymata h apoceis, oi opoies topoqetoyn to sygkekrimeno sympolith mas se mia tetoia kathgoria. Ayto prepei na einai safes.

MOSXOBAS: Den moy apanthsate.

REPPAS: Apanthsa.

MOSXOBAS: Symmerizetai h kybernhsh tis aitiaseis aytes;

REPPAS: Apanthsa se ayta ta qemata. Exw hdh apanthsei se treis, tesseris sxetikes erwthseis.

MOSXOBAS: Sthn teleytaia erwthsh den moy apanthsate, an exei diataxqei ereyna gia ton k. Kalinteridh.

REPPAS: Oti ginetai, ginetai sto plaisio ths eisaggelikhs ereynas. Kai gnwrizete poly kala oti o k. Giannopoylos exei dwsei entolh, ta organa ths Dikaiosynhs na kanoyn to kaqhkon toys aperispasta, prokeimenoy na lamcei h alhqeia.

PAPAXRHSTOS: O k. Kalinteridhs exei mia sygkekrimenh idiothta. Einai stelexos ths EYP, einai kratikos ypallhlos. Diejagetai ereyna gia na diapistwqei an eystaqei ayth h fhmh thn opoia epanelabe o k. Giannopoylos- ki egw kalopista dexomai oti thn epanelabe- dioti o anqrwpos exei maqei na epanalambanei dhmosiws fhmes, oti akoyei dhladh. Diereynatai ayth h fhmh;

REPPAS: Ayta, k. Papaxrhsto, einai qemata ta opoia qa ejetasoyn, sto plaisio ths prokatarktikhs ejetashs poy kanei twra o armodios eisaggeleas kai sto plaisio ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs, oi boyleytes oi opoioi qa th sygkrothsoyn. Den yparxoyn alla armodia organa gia na antimetwpisoyn tetoia qemata.

PAPAXRHSTOS: Pws den yparxoyn...;

REPPAS: Den apokleiw, bebaiws, sto plaisio twn eswterikwn diadikasiwn kaqe yphresias na ginontai oi aparaithtoi elegxoi, prokeimenoy na anazhthqoyn eyqynes, ean yparxoyn eyqynes. Ayto, omws, einai kati to opoio afora ton kanoniko, to fysiologiko tropo me ton opoio leitoyrgoyn oles oi yphresies.

MOYRTZHS: O k. Kalinteridhs exei kanei orismenes dhlwseis se orismenoys thleoptikoys staqmoys. H Yphresia toy ejetazei an einai elegkteos peiqarxika;

REPPAS: Ayto einai kati to opoio qa antimetwpisei h Yphresia toy, giati bebaiws oloi osoi anhkoyn se mia Yphresia prepei na leitoyrgoyn me bash ton kanonismo ths Yphresias. Den prepei na mpoyme se ena dialogo, na probainoyme se dhlwseis gi` ayto to qema. Parakalw, na afhsoyme ta armodia organa poy exoyn analabei to sxetiko ergo na oloklhrwsoyn thn ereyna toys.

D. KAMPOYRAKHS: Elhfqh apofash shmera gia to poioi boyleytes toy PASOK qa symmetasxoyn se ayth thn Ejetastikh Epitroph;

REPPAS: Oxi, den exei lhfqei tetoia apofash.

EYSTAQIOY: Exw dyo erwthseis, h mia afora to Nairompi: An yparxei opoiodhpote xroniko telesigrafo h periorismos gia na apoxwrhsoyn oi gynaikes, oi synagwnistries toy Otsalan apo thn presbeytikh katoikia. Kai deyteron -einai asxeto, isws, en pash periptwsei to rwtaw- ean h omilia poy exei programmatisei o Epitropos Xrhstos Papoytshs thn Paraskeyh entassetai sto plaisio toy sxediasmoy toy kybernwntos kommatos gia thn ekstrateia enocei twn Eyrweklogwn.

REPPAS: Polla stelexh toy PASOK enocei toy Synedrioy exoyn kanei ekdhlwseis, opoy exoyn milhsei se megala akroathria. Shmera exei organwsei sxetikh ekdhlwsh o synadelfos k. Papantwnioy. Thn Paraskeyh, o synadelfos k. Papoytshs organwnei mia analogh ekdhlwsh kai pisteyw oti mexri to Synedrio kai alloi synadelfoi kai stelexh qa organwsoyn sxetikes ekdhlwseis.

Oson afora to prwto qema -eqese ena sxetiko erwthma kai h ka Petoyrh prin- sas eipa oti yparxei epikoinwnia kai synennohsh me thn kybernhsh ths Kenyas. Pragmati, yparxei apo thn pleyra ths Kenyas mia protash na oloklhrwqei ayth h diadikasia. Emeis pisteyoyme oti oi synennohseis poy ginontai qa oloklhrwqoyn, xwris na makrynei poly h oloklhrwsh ayths ths epixeirhshs, alla me eggyhseis gia asfales apotelesma ayths ths epixeirhshs. Prepei, loipon, ayto na diasfalistei kai sthn kateyqynsh ayth kinoymaste.

EYSTAQIOY: Pote na oloklhrwqei leei h Kenya;

REPPAS: Einai kati gia to opoio, qa moy epitrecete ayth thn wra, na mh milhsoyme me leptomereies. An ayto ginei mesa se wres h hmeres, exei mikroterh shmasia. Ayto to opoio exei poly megalh shmasia einai na einai kalo to apotelesma, na einai asfalhs h metafora toys.

KIAOS: Mia dieykrinish: Epeidh o k. Kalinteridhs einai ajiwmatikos toy Ellhnikoy Stratoy, ean o k. Tsoxatzopoylos zhthse ejhghseis h eqese to qema sth shmerinh synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, ennow ayto poy anekyce me th xqesinh dhlwsh toy k. Giannopoyloy.

REPPAS: Oxi, ayto den apotelese qema syzhthshs sto plaisio ths shmerinhs synedriashs.

KIAOS: Gnwrizete an exei zhthsei apeyqeias apo ton k. Giannopoylo kapoia ejhghsh;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw an exoyn epikoinwnhsei oi dyo synadelfoi.

PODHMATA: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qa synodeysei kapoios ypoyrgos ton Prwqypoyrgo sto tajidi toy sth Bonnh;

REPPAS: Opws sthn Atyph Synodo Koryfhs poy egine sto Pertsax ths Aystrias, etsi kai twra apo to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn qa einai parwn o Genikos Grammateas Koinotikwn Ypoqesewn k. Perrakhs. Den symmetexoyn se paromoies synedriaseis oi Ypoyrgoi Ejwterikwn, opws kala gnwrizete ki eseis.

PODHMATA: Eprokeito ayrio na episkefqei thn Aqhna o Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn toy Israhl. Plhroforhqhkame oti ayth h episkech mataiwqhke. Hqela na sas rwthsw an mataiwqhke me prwtoboylia ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs h me prwtoboylia toy Israhl.

REPPAS: O Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn toy Israhl anebale thn episkech toy gia sobaro oikogeneiako logo.

Sas eyxaristw.

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