Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-02-19

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 19 Febroyarioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

* Qa kanw ena eisagwgiko sxolio me aformh dhlwseis Toyrkwn ajiwmatoyxwn, opws toy k. Tzem, o opoios synedese me thn Ellada th drasthriothta poy anaptyssei to RKK kai ekane kai diaforoys alloys paremfereis sxoliasmoys:

Einai gnwsto katw apo poies tragikes synqhkes egkaqidryqhke h Dhmokratia sthn Ellada. Sth diarkeia ths metapoliteyshs einai bebaio kai dieqnws anagnwrismeno oti h Ellada petyxe na exei mia Dhmokratia ychloy epipedoy. Oi koinoboyleytikoi qesmoi leitoyrgoyn, antiqetws me oti symbainei sth geitonikh Toyrkia opoy yparxei megalo elleimma dhmokratias kai oi qesmoi einai asqeneis. Emeis me to ergo mas exoyme na epideijoyme sygkekrimena epiteygmata ta opoia synistoyn kai thn pragmatikothta gia thn Ellada sto telos toy 20oy kai tis arxes toy 21oy aiwna, antiqetws me thn katastash sthn Toyrkia poy kaqe allo para mporei na pei kapoios oti brisketai se ena analogo epipedo me ayto to opoio exoyn petyxei oi prohgmenes xwres ths Eyrwphs. Pisteyw oti emeis dikaioymaste na ekfrazoyme thn ikanopoihsh mas gia ta epiteygmata ayta kai na aisiodojoyme gia thn poreia ths xwras mas sto neo aiwna poy erxetai. Afhnoyme se alloys na exoyn thn ikanopoihsh monon apo thn prospaqeia toys na ejwra'zoyn mia qliberh pragmatikothta. Einai sto plaisio ths propagandas ths Toyrkias na katasykofantei synexws thn Ellada gia dhqen synergasia ths h yposthrijh ths se tromokratikes energeies. Ayth h propagandistikh mhxanh, h opoia fainetai oti leitoyrgei anellipws, den exei apodwsei karpoys kai den prokeitai na apodwsei giati den einai tipota allo para mia mhxanh poy paragei plasta epixeirhmata. Me ayth thn ennoia emeis synexizoyme thn poreia mas ws xwra, ws laos kai pisteyoyme oti oi stoxoi poy exoyme qesei qa epiteyxqoyn kai ayto einai poy mas dinei th monh ikanopoihsh, giati ergazomaste gia thn Patrida mas kai ton ellhniko lao.

* Qa hqela, epishs, na sas anakoinwsw oti o Prwqypoyrgos zhthse thn paraithsh toy arxhgoy ths EYP Xaralampoy Stayrakakh, o opoios kai thn ypebale. O Prwqypoyrgos edwse entolh ston armodio politiko proistameno na proxwrhsei se rizikh anadiorganwsh ths EYP.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: Kat` arxhn mia erwthsh se ayto poy eipate. H propagandistikh mhxanh ths Toyrkias leitoyrgei. H Ellada den thn enisxyse me toys xeirismoys poy ekane sthn ypoqesh Otsalan;

REPPAS: H propagandistikh mhxanh ths Toyrkias einai kaloladwmenh kai kalokoyrdismenh edw kai poly kairo. To gnwrizete, allwste, ki eseis oi dhmosiografoi oti h Toyrkia exei epityxei syxna -gia na mhn pw monimws- na xrhsimopoiei kai ta MME se ektaktes peristaseis etsi wste na prowqei thn epishmh kratikh politikh kai apoch, kati to opoio gnwrizete oti den ginetai sthn Ellada. Ara, loipon, h propagandistikh mhxanh ths Toyrkias exei ayto to stoxo kai aytes tis epidiwjeis, giati oi qesmoi ths dhmokratias kai ths eleyqerotypias sthn Toyrkia den leitoyrgoyn kata ton acogo kai plhrh tropo me ton opoio leitoyrgoyn oi analogoi qesmoi sthn Ellada.

MIXAHL: Na sas rwthsw gia mia-dyo apories poy exw gia th dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy poy egine prin apo ligo. O k. Shmiths eipe oti thn politikh eyqynh thn analambanei h kybernhsh. Pws ejantleitai kai pws ekfrazetai ayth h analhch ths politikhs eyqynhs, monon dia ths apomakrynsews twn triwn prwhn ypoyrgwn;

REPPAS: Me thn anagnwrish ths eyqynhs. Me thn analhch sygkekrimenwn prwtoboyliwn, stis opoies perilambanetai kai h allagh toy kybernhtikoy sxhmatos kai bebaiws stis prwtoboylies aytes qa prepei na prosqesete ola ekeina ta metra, thn epikoinwnia kai tis diaboyleyseis stis opoies proxwraei o Prwqypoyrgos, prokeimenoy to qema ths prostasias ths zwhs toy Koyrdoy hgeth kai ths dikaihs antimetwpishs toy apo tis arxes ths Toyrkias na einai ena qema prwths shmasias, opws pragmatika einai.

MIXAHL: H proswpikh eyqynh toy k. Shmith mexri poy stamataei;

REPPAS: Apanthsa sto qema ayto se epaneilhmmenes erwthseis. H antimetwpish aytoy toy qematos ths tyxhs toy Ampntoylax Otsalan apotelese mia anagkastikh parenqesh, sto plaisio ths basikhs politikhs mas gia to koyrdiko zhthma. Yparxei apostash anamesa sto politiko plaisio kai thn ejeidikeysh kai thn praktikh efarmogh toy. Prokeimenoy na efarmostei ayto to politiko plaisio prepei na ginoyn xeirismoi, prepei na analhfqoyn prwtoboylies apo sygkekrimenoys paragontes, proswpa, organa kai yphresies. O k. Shmiths, antilambaneste poly kala pws kineitai sto epipedo toy genikoy politikoy plaisioy kai den exei sxesh me epimeroys xeirismoys kai me tis astoxies poy odhghsan se ayto to tragiko apotelesma.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, eipe o Prwqypoyrgos prin apo ligo oti h Ellada epraje sto akeraio to xreos ths kai to kaqhkon ths. Dhladh, poio htan ayto to xreos kai kaqhkon; Na paradwsei ton Otsalan stoys Toyrkoys;

REPPAS: Me ton tropo poy rwthsate apodeiknyetai kai malista toso grhgora, amesws meta thn apanthsh poy edwsa se prohgoymenh erwthsh, oti pragmatika sthn Ellada yparxei ayth h eleyqerotypia h opoia apotelei kosmhma gia th Dhmokratia mas. Einai systatiko stoixeio ths. H Ellada den paredwse ton Ampntoylax Otsalan kai lypoymai giati xrhsimopoioyntai apo Ellhnes dhmosiografoys aytes oi ekfraseis, oi opoies den exoyn analogh tekmhriwsh. Sthrizontai mono kai mono se ekdoxes h se martyries kapoiwn twn opoiwn tis epidi `wjeis amfisbhtw. An einai, dhladh, agaqes kai an sthrizontai se pragmatika gegonota. Prepei na pw oti h Ellada epraje to kaqhkon ths, giati ekeinh thn wra poy oles oi portes htan kleistes gia ton Ampntoylax Otsalan ton krathse, toy prosefere prostasia kai bohqeia kai eqese se efarmogh ena sxedio, prokeimenoy na egkatastaqei se mia xwra opoy qa htan asfalhs. Dystyxws, h katalhjh den htan h prosdokwmenh. Gi` ayth thn tragikh katalhjh den mporei na exei eyqynh h ellhnikh kybernhsh, h opoia apo ena shmeio kai meta den gnwrize pws ejelixqhkan ta pragmata kai gi` ayto akribws zhtei kai kanei ta panta na xyqei apleto fws gia to xroniko ayto stadio ths olhs ypoqeshs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, oi martyries "kapoiwn" poy lete einai aytoi poy xrhsimopoihse h kybernhsh. Aytoi lene oti doqhke, opws doqhke. Aytoi oi "kapoioi" poy xrhsimopoihse h kybernhsh. Den to lew egw.

REPPAS: Poia einai h erwthsh;

STAMATOPOYLOS: To lew ayto epeidh eseis eipate oti Ellhnes dhmosiografoi lene oti paradwsame...

REPPAS: To eipate eseis, den to lene oi Ellhnes dhmosiografoi genikws.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw. Oi martyries kapoiwn eipate. Oi martyries kapoiwn einai aytes poy xrhsimopoihse h kybernhsh

REPPAS: Prepei na akoysete, prwton, th fwnh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, h opoia gnwrizei poly perissotera apo ta merika poy gnwrizoyn kapoioi oi opoioi eixan mia orismenh armodiothta kai eneplakhsan se enan orismeno baqmo sthn olh ypoqesh. Kai deyteron, parakalw mhn eiste toso eypistos, oyte eseis, oyte oloi oi alloi gia to baqmo eilikrineias h gia ta kinhtra, ta opoia exei opoiosdhpote mila me ayton ton tropo ayth, toylaxiston, thn wra. Alla, gia ola ayta ta qemata exoyme zhthsei na diejaxqei ereyna, prokeimenoy na fwtistoyn ta gegonota. H ereyna ayth, efoson oloklhrwqei kai qa oloklhrwqei -giati apotelei kentriko melhma ths kybernhshs na xyqei apleto fws se ayth thn ypoqesh- qa mas bohqhsei na gnwrizoyme ta akribh peristatika. Mexri tote qa hqela na eimaste pio sygkrathmenoi. Na mhn prosxwroyme se mia apoch kai na mhn aporriptoyme me tosh megalh eykolia thn apoch h opoia sthrizetai sthn alhqeia kai thn opoia paroysiazei h ellhnikh kybernhsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gnwrize o k. Shmiths oti o Otsalan qa phgaine sthn Kenya;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos htan enhmeros gia to basiko plaisio twn kinhsewn. Htan enhmeros oti o Ampntoylax Otsalan qa odhgeito se mia xwra opoy qa htan asfalhs, prokeimenoy na prowqhqei amesws meta se mia allh xwra poy qa mporoyse gia megalytero xroniko diasthma na parameinei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos milhse gia aneyqynoys kai anohtoys yperpatriwtes. Giati h kybernhsh synergasthke me aytoys;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos milhse gia anohtoys kai aneyqynoys, dhqen, patriwtes, giati pragmatika yparxoyn anohtoi kai aneyqynoi dhqen patriwtes h dhqen yperpatriwtes, oi opoioi eneplejan thn Ellada se ena qema gia to opoio h politikh mas htan jekaqarh kai eprepe na sebastoyn ayto to plaisio politikhs poy eixame ejaggeilei, thn politikh poy efarmozame gia to koyrdiko zhthma. Kai mh sas diafeygei -mias kai milhsa gia anagkastikh parenqesh- oti h kybernhsh klhqhke na xeiristei ena qema poy alloi dhmioyrghsan. Den to dhmioyrghse h kybernhsh to problhma ayto. H kybernhsh arxise na exei emplokh apo thn wra poy ek twn pragmatwn den mporoyse na thn apofygei h an epelege to dromo apofyghs ayths ths emplokhs isws ta pragmata na htan apo ekeinh th stigmh kiolas poly pio dysmenh gia ton Ampntoylax Otsalan.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Synergasthke, omws, h kybernhsh me aytoys toys dhqen yperpatriwtes.

REPPAS: H kybernhsh ekane ta panta, prokeimenoy na mhn paradwsei ton Otsalan kai epishs ekane ta panta, wste na dhmioyrghsei synqhkes prostasias kai asfaleias, gia na toy brei, ws teliko proorismo, mia xwra opoy qa egkaqistato kai etsi qa apetrepe, oristika kai dia pantos, thn aixmalwsia toy apo thn Toyrkia. Gi` ayto, akribws, emplakhkame se ayth thn ypoqesh me ton tropo poy exw anaptyjei.

KIAOS: Poia h politikh anagkh, poy odhghse na einai ta epta melh ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs pisw apo ton Prwqypoyrgo kai o idios mprosta na diabazei th dhlwsh;

REPPAS: Kamia politikh anagkh. Apla, meta th synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, egine mia poly syntomh synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, opoy syzhthqhke ena keimeno poy eishghqhke o Prwqypoyrgos to opoio, ws dhlwsh toy, anegnwse sta MME.

KIAOS: Epeidh den exei janasymbei ayto pote ews twra, oyte me ton k. Shmith, oyte me allo prwqypoyrgo, den jerw ti kanane oi alloi prwqypoyrgoi, sas lew, omws, th skhnh poy emfanisthke sthn thleorash. Sas janarwtw, giati epeleje, an to epeleje o Prwqypoyrgo h poios to epeleje, na ginei olh ayth h emfanish ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, epanalambanw, me ton Prwqypoyrgo mprosta, gia prwth fora.

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola, gia ola ta pragmata, panta yparxei h prwth fora. Deyteron, gnwrizete oti palaiotera sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio sthnotan mia kamera, opoy ekei o Prwqypoyrgos mporoyse, di` aytoy toy tropoy, na apeyqynei ena mhnyma ston ellhniko lao. Twra, eprokeito na kanei kapoia dhlwsh o Prwqypoyrgos. Th dhlwsh ayth, afoy th synetaje kai th syzhthse me ta melh ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, sto plaisio ayths ths syntomhs synedriashs, thn ekane dhmosiws, plaisioymenos apo ta melh toy Organoy.

KIAOS: O Prwqypoyrgos epeleje th skhnh ayth;

REPPAS: Einai kati to opoio apotelei epiqymia h qesh, an qelete, kai twn allwn melwn. Den htan kati to opoio apasxolhse, idiaiterws, kapoioys. Mhn caxnete na breite kapoio sobaro logo.

KIAOS: Prohgoymenws, sth synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, ti egine; Den mas enhmerwsate.

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos me pio emperistatwmeno tropo, milhse gia to qema ayto, poy einai to megalo qema ths sygkyrias. (Ayth thn topoqethsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy qa thn exete sth diaqesh sas). Epishs, kalese ta melh toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy na afosiwqoyn sta kaqhkonta toys, prokeimenoy na efarmosoyme to programma mas kai na petyxoyme toys stoxoys mas.

KIAOS: Poios eishghqhke th metabash toy Otsalan sthn Kenya;

REPPAS: Ola ayta ta qemata stis leptomereies toys, exei ajia na syzhthqoyn, alla oxi twra, s` ayto to xwro kai ayth thn wra. Einai qema to opoio apasxolhse aytoys oi opoioi xeiristhkan to qema. O k. Pagkalos exei milhsei gia to qema ayto, gia thn ptyxh ayth kai exei dwsei peistikes, kata th gnwmh moy, apanthseis se analoga erwthmata.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, den jerw ti na ypoqesw h o Prwqypoyrgos, apoxwrwntas apo thn Kybernhtikh Epitroph akoloyqhqhke apo ta melh toy Organoy h ta melh toy Organoy htan ekeina ta opoia zhthsan. Qelw na epishmanw, oti to qema ths skhnikhs paroysias poy eidame, prwth fora, shmera. Den mporei na htan tyxaio. To zhthse o Prwqypoyrgos h zhthsan ta melh toy Organoy na pane;

REPPAS: Apo ola osa eipate, tipota den eystaqei, ektos apo ena: Oti ayto den htan tyxaio. Asfalws, den htan tyxaio. Aplws, yphrxe ayth h syntomh synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs kai o Prwqypoyrgos me ta melh ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, meta thn oloklhrwsh ths synedriashs, breqhkan apenanti apo tis kameres, opoy o Prwqypoyrgos ekane th sxetikh dhlwsh.

KANELLOPOYLOS: To zhthse o Prwqypoyrgos ayto; Eniwse thn anagkh o Prwqypoyrgos na plaisiwnetai apo ta melh ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos, molis prin, htan epikefalhs toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy poy synedriase. Den exei tetoio aisqhma o Prwqypoyrgos. Alles einai oi anagkes gia ton Prwqypoyrgo kai gia th xwra. Den einai aytes, pantws. Giati blepw oti prokalei megalo endiaferon ayth h skhnikh paroysia.

KANELLOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos teleytaia edwse dyo synenteyjeis kai apo oti eixame plhroforhqei qa synexize. Mhpws protiqetai o Prwqypoyrgos, meta kai tis teleytaies dramatikes ejelijeis, na dwse kapoia synenteyjh, opws synhqizotan sto parelqon, sto Zappeio, enwpion twn politikwn syntaktwn;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos eixe apofasisei na dwsei tis synenteyjeis tis opoies edwse. Den eixe apofasisei na proxwrhsei se alles synenteyjeis. Kai ej oswn gnwrizw kai twra den exei apofasisei. Ayth h eidikh synenteyjh, sthn opoia anafereste, sto Zappeio, synhqizetai pragmati kai qa ginei, efoson apofasistei, se eyqeto xrono.

MOSXOBAS: Exoyme kapoia ejelijh gia thn tyxh twn synergatwn toy Otsalan poy briskontai sthn Presbeia mas, sto Nairompi;

REPPAS: Me aformh thn erwthsh sas, prepei na sas pw oti o Prwqypoyrgos sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio eipe pws ginetai to kalytero dynato, apo thn pleyra mas, prokeimenoy na einai asfaleis oi synergates toy Ampntoylax Otsalan poy briskontai sthn ellhnikh Presbeia. Einai sthn ellhnikh Presbeia, ginontai oi aparaithtes energeies, prokeimenoy na mhn ekteqoyn se kindyno. Pisteyw oti ola qa pane kala.

MOSXOBAS: Kai gia ton k. Kalenteridh isxyei ayto;

REPPAS: O k. Kalenteridhs, gnwrizete poly kala oti einai ekei, exei ayth thn yphresiakh sxesh me to ellhniko kratos, h opoia toy epiballei kai kapoioys kanones, me toys opoioys qa prepei na drasei, opws oloi allwste oi kratikoi leitoyrgoi.

MOSXOBAS: Eipwqhke oti o k. Kalenteridhs einai ekei katw, xwris diabathrio. Isxyei ayto;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw aytes tis leptomereies. Kai parakalw, epeidh gnwrizete thn idiothta poy exoyn diafora stelexh toy kratoys se kapoies tetoies ektaktes peristaseis, kalo einai na mh syzhtoyme dhmosiws sxetika qemata.

MPOYRDARAS: O Prwqypoyrgos, shmera, anakoinwse kapoies prwtoboylies gia epafes me thn Eyrwph, me eyrwpaioys hgetes, gia to qema toy Otsalan kai genikotera gia to koyrdiko zhthma. Bebaiws, exoyme th dramatikh ejelijh, twra, me ton Otsalan poy einai sta xeria ths Toyrkias, alla wstoso to problhma me ton Koyrdo hgeth htan edw kai kairo gnwsto. Giati den analabate analoges prwtoboylies prin apo thn teleytaia, dramatikh, ejelijh se eyrwpaiko epipedo, gia na antimetwpistei kai to qema toy asyloy toy k. Otsalan, alla kai genikotera to koyrdiko problhma;

REPPAS: Eixame analabei polles prwtoboylies sto parelqon. Prepei na sas pw oti prin jespasei ayth h krish htan se ejelijh energeies apo thn pleyra ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, sto plaisio ths E. E. Eixame epidiwjei, sto epipedo twn politikwn dieyqyntwn, twn ekproswpwn twn xwrwn ths E. E., na apotelesei antikeimeno syzhthshs to koyrdiko zhthma kai h tyxh toy Ampntoylax Otsalan. H pragmatikothta einai oti oydeis edeije tetoio endiaferon, oydeis edeije ajiologh antapokrish s` ayto to aithma. Twra, exei diamorfwqei, dystyxws, mia poly pio dysmenhs katastash. Einai kratoymenos o Ampntoylax Otsalan. Pisteyw oti, ayth th fora kai katw apo toys oroys poy exoyn dhmioyrghqei, h E. E. qa analabei tis ypoxrewseis ths kai qa ginei o eggyhths gia th dikaih antimetwpish apo thn Toyrkia toy Ampntoylax Otsalan. Prepei na sas pw oti, sto plaisio aytwn twn epikoinwniwn, o k. Zospen, o k. Srenter, o k. Klima, pragmati, eipan ston Prwqypoyrgo oti einai ena qema to opoio prepei na apasxolhsei entona thn E. E. kai prepei na breqei lysh. Kai opws eipe o Prwqypoyrgos, o k. Zospen, pragmati, skeftetai na analabei kapoia prwtoboylia.

MIXAHL: Den einai ypokrisia ayto;

REPPAS: Exei milhsei me sklhrh glwssa kai o Prwqypoyrgos gia thn adiaforia poy epedeije h E. E. na antimetwpisei ena problhma. H alhqeia, omws, einai ayth. Kai gnwrizete poly kala oti h kybernhsh mas den mporei na kybernhsei thn E. E. Den exei tetoia filodojia. Allwste, oyte problepetai ayto, oyte to epidiwkoyme.

MIXAHL: Ma, einai ypokritiko ayto to pragma.

REPPAS: Etsi strefeste enantion twn kybernhsewn twn xwrwn ths E. E. Blepete, loipon, mias kai milate gia ypokrisia, ti dikaiwma dinete kai s` emena na milhsw gia ypokrisia olwn ekeinwn poy krinoyn thn ellhnikh kybernhsh gia ta opoia laqh eginan, thn wra poy gnwrizoyn oti h ellhnikh kybernhsh xeiristhke ena qema poy anagkastika, kai otan pia eixe dhmioyrghqei, klhqhke na to antimetwpisei kai na to xeiristei.

LIARELHS: Oi prwtoboylies, tis opoies skeftetai o Prwqypoyrgos h syzhta me toys synadelfoys toy, aposkopoyn sto na allajei to kathgorhthrio kata toy Otsalan h sto na isxysoyn oi nomoi ths Toyrkias; Giati mia dikh mporei na ginei me toys Kanones toy Dikaioy poy isxyoyn sthn Toyrkia, alla me bash to kathgorhthrio to opoio exei syntaxqei gia ton Otsalan, qa einai timia h dikh kai, opws eipan egkritoi kaqhghtes Panepisthmioy ths Toyrkias, h poinh qa einai 20 xiliades fores se apagxonismo. Timia qa einai! !

REPPAS: Den qelw na sxoliasw ayta ta opoia lene oi Toyrkoi empeirognwmones, ta opoia metaferate me ayton ton glafyro tropo. Ayto to opoio qelw na pw einai toyto: Oti prin to qema ayto ginei antikeimeno syzhthshs sthn E. E. den mporoyme na gnwrizoyme poia qa einai h ekbash ayths ths syzhthshs. Emeis qa epidiwjoyme na anagnwristoyn kai na ginoyn sebasta ta dikaiwmata toy koyrdikoy laoy kai na antimetwpistei, me thn eggyhsh poy qa prosferei h E. E., o Otsalan me tetoio tropo, o opoios qa einai orqos kai dikaios, oti ki an shmainei ayto.

KIAOS: To pio sobaro, ayth th stigmh, einai ta basanisthria poy mporei na trabhjei o anqrwpos. Kaqara pragmata.

REPPAS: H syzhthsh ginetai kai gia tis synqhkes krathshs toy Otsalan. To eipa ayto apo xqes.

KIAOS: Oi synqhkes krathshs, einai to pio sobaro, epitrecete moy. Einai gnwsto se aytes tis synqhkes kai idiaitera stoys Toyrkoys, to ti ginetai ekei mesa, poy den mporei na elegjei kanenas, opws stis diktatories den elegxei kanenas. An mporei, dhladh, na piasei -poy leei o logos- apo ton sberko ton Klima, ton Srenter, ton Sirak "pame kateyqeian ekei na swsoyme ton anqrwpo" -sygnwmh gia ton tono ths fwnhs- einai to pio sobaro.

REPPAS: Antilambanomai thn eyaisqhsia sas.

KIAOS: Den einai qema eyaisqhsias, einai qema sobarothtas ths katastasews.

REPPAS: Einai sobaro to jerw. Den gnwrizw, pantws poios einai aytos, poy mporei na kanei ayto to opoio eipate. Asfalws, omws, oi synqhkes krathshs toy Otsalan, apoteloyn stoixeio prwths shmasias. Kai einai qetiko to gegonos oti to Eyrwpaiko Symboylio exei ekfrasei endiaferon, oti h Epitroph poy asxoleitai me to qema twn basanisthriwn exei energopoihqei. Elpizoyme h Toyrkia na antapokriqei sta qemata ta opoia h Dieqnhs Koinothta (h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, to Eyrwpaiko Symboylio) qa ths qesei, oson afora th sygkekrimenh ypoqesh, kai na prosferei etsi kai tis endeijeis h kai apodeijeis, oti einai mia xwra h opoia sebetai ta anqrwpina dikaiwmata. Ayto, omws, einai akomh zhtoymeno. Kai se ayth thn kateyqynsh qa prepei na kinhqoyme.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Giati h kybernhsh den epilegei mia dieqnh stayroforia me aithma thn apeleyqerwsh toy Otsalan;

REPPAS: H kybernhsh qetei kai qa qesei pio entona to qema toy koyrdikoy laoy kai to qema ths tyxhs toy Otsalan. To pws qa ejelixqei ayth h syzhthsh den ejartatai apo thn Ellada. Ejartatai apo toys alloys. Kai, bebaiws, oi ejelijeis, ta apotelesmata, ta opoia qa exoyme, kaqe fora, qa einai ayta poy qa prepei na mas deixnoyn kai to dromo, prokeimenoy na epityxoyme to kalytero dynato, to aristo apotelesma. Ayth thn wra, omws, antilambaneste pws stoxos mas einai na prosferoyme pragmatikes yphresies, oxi na dhmioyrghsoyme entypwseis. Ayto einai to aisqhma eyqynhs to opoio mas diakatexei. Gi ayto, akribws, epeidh gnwrizoyme poia einai h katastash, qeloyme na xtisoyme ayth thn prospaqeia mas etsi, wste na exoyme ena aisio apotelesma. Ayto einai poy exei megalh shmasia. Den qeloyme na ejantlhqoyme se megalostomes diakhryjeis h ejaggelies, oi opoies, isws, den odhgoyn poyqena h -qa elega- mporei kiolas na yponomeyoyn, eyqys ej arxhs, ayth thn prospaqeia. Den antilambaneste oti -opws eipe o Prwqypoyrgos- h Ellada htan h teleytaia xwra sto plaisio ths E. E. poy qa eprepe na teqei apenanti se ena tetoio dilhmma; To idio lew kai twra: Den antilambaneste pws h Ellada, otan analambanei tetoies prwtoboylies, isws se kapoio baqmo tis xrwmatizei, ypo to prisma twn ellhnotoyrkikwn sxesewn, poy den einai kai oi kalyteres dynates; Gi ayto akribws, prokeimenoy na exeis to kalytero dynato apotelesma, prepei oi prwtoboylies na ypakoyoyn se kanones. An endiaferesai, bebaia, na dhmioyrghseis entypwseis tote einai alloi oi kanones toys opoioys prepei na akoloyqhseis. Alla, ayth h deyterh periptwsh den mas afora.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Me sygxwreite, ws parathrhsh, qa mporoysa na antistrecw th erwthsh kai na pw: Den antilambanetai h kybernhsh oti olh ayth h syzhthsh peri "dikaihs dikhs" synista parabiash ths logikhs; Qa mporoysa na antistrecw to erwthma.

REPPAS: Eseis qetete ena qema leitoyrgias, genika, twn qesmwn sthn Toyrkia. Den to qetete prwtos. To exei qesei kai h ellhnikh kybernhsh. Otan exoyme ayto to plaisio, antilambaneste poly kala, pws yparxei enas logos parapanw, o opoios mas kalei na kanoyme oti perna apo to xeri mas, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisoyme ayth thn ektakth katastash, poy dhmioyrghqhke me ton Otsalan. Giati, an miloysame gia mia xwra opoy oi qesmoi leitoyrgoyn acoga, opoy ta organa ths Dikaiosynhs exoyn dwsei deigmata antikeimenikothtas kai eyqykrisias, antilambaneste oti ta pragmata qa htan arketa diaforetika. Asfalws, epeidh miloyme gia th sygkekrimenh periptwsh, kanoyme aytoy toy eidoys thn proseggish.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Milhse o Prwqypoyrgos gia "paranomes prajeis". Pisteyw oti apodidw swsta to nohma twn logwn toy, an pw oti eipe oti qa pataxqoyn oi ypeyqynoi gia aytes tis paranomes prajeis, anaferomenos sthn eisodo Otsalan sth xwra. H kybernhsh qewrei oti qa mporoyse na yparjei kai kathgorhthrio gia ypoqalch paranomias pros toys ypoyrgoys, oi opoioi gnwrizan thn paranomia;

REPPAS: H kybernhsh den einai ayth h opoia katartizei kai diatypwnei kathgorhthria. H kybernhsh einai ayth poy endiaferetai, opws akribws epeshmane o Prwqypoyrgos, na xyqei apleto fws kai na apodoqoyn eyqynes se aytoys oi opoioi tis exoyn. Kai epeidh einai bebaio oti exoyn ginei paranomes prajeis, gia tis opoies milhsame, prepei na ginei ayth h ereyna. Apotelei mia ypoxrewsh thn opoia qa feroyme se peras.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh dexqhke thn protash ths N. D. gia pro hmerhsias diatajhs syzhthsh sth Boylh;

REPPAS: Asfalws. H kybernhsh den exei kamia antirrhsh. Apla einai qema synennohshs me ton Proedro ths Boylhs h oristikopoihsh ths hmeromhnias.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa ginei thn epomenh ebdomada, dhladh;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw. Den nomizw na exei anakoinwqei hmeromhnia. Pisteyw, omws, oti qa ginei syntoma h anakoinwsh ayth.

KARGOYDH: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qelw na rwthsw gia to Kossyfopedio. Maqainoyme oti oi diapragmateyseis exoyn fqasei se neo adiejodo kai yparxoyn plhrofories oti, hdh, Dytikoi diplwmates egkataleipoyn to Beligradi. Ti plhrofories exete eseis kai ti ektima h kybernhsh gia thn ejelijh;

REPPAS: Oti den exei epiteyxqei proodos. Oi syzhthseis, bebaiws, synexizontai. Elpizoyme, to syntomotero dynato, na katalhjoyn se symfwnia giati qa htan tragiko na anazwpyrwqei h entash sto Kossyfopedio.

KARGOYDH: Ektimate oti yparxoyn periqwria gia lysh;

REPPAS: Pisteyoyme oti yparxoyn periqwria na prokycei symfwnia mesa apo thn politikh ayth synennohsh. Einai o monos dromos gia na doqei mia lysh. Den yparxei allos dromos.

Eyxaristw poly. Kalo Trihmero.

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