Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-02-12

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 12 Febroyarioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Synedriase to KYSEA kai oristikopoihse kat` arxhn thn apofash, poy labame se prohgoymenh synedriash, h Ellada na symmetasxei sthn koinoprajia paragwghs toy maxhtikoy aeroskafoys "eurofighter". Doqhke entolh sto Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas na jekinhsei amesws tis diapragmateyseis me toys foreis twn xwrwn, poy exoyn entaxqei se ayto to programma, prokeimenoy kai emeis, me isotimh symmetoxh, na eimaste parontes kai na promhqeytoyme, se liga xronia, meta to 2005, ayto to maxhtiko aeroskafos.

Oson afora thn epilogh toy neoy maxhtikoy aeroskafoys gia thn amesh enisxysh ths Polemikhs Aeroporias mas -poy yphrje kai to kyrio qema syzhthshs sth shmerinh synedriash toy KYSEA- egine leptomerestath syzhthsh ajiologhshs twn stoixeiwn olwn twn pros agora typwn aeroskafwn. Ektimhqhkan oles oi parametroi gia kaqe typo aeroskafoys, se sxesh kai me to teliko kostos, poy prokyptei gia kaqena apo ayta. Den elhfqh telika apofash. Se epomenh synedriash toy KYSEA, afoy ginei mia peraiterw epejergasia twn ariqmhtikwn kai texnikwn stoixeiwn, qa laboyme thn oristikh apofash mas.

* Meta th synedriash toy KYSEA kai me th symmetoxh armodiwn ypoyrgwn egine enhmerwsh gia ta qemata ths Gewrgias kai ths Ygeias. Oson afora ta agrotika zhthmata, o ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs F. Petsalnikos -apontos toy ypoyrgoy Gewrgias G. Anwmerith, o opoios symmeteixe thn wra ekeinh sth syzhthsh erwthshs sth Boylh- enhmerwse gia tis dynameis twn omadwn agrotwn poy exoyn kinhtopoihqei sth Qessalia. Ektimoyme oti, meta thn anakoinwsh twn metrwn thn prohgoymenh Tetarth, oi kinhtopoihseis aytes kleinoyn ton kyklo toys. H krish fainetai oti ektonwnetai.

* Oson afora ta qemata Ygeias, o Prwqypoyrgos epanelabe oti to ESY einai dhmioyrghma toy PASOK kai pws h kybernhsh qa kanei ta panta prokeimenoy na proaspisei kai diasfalisei to dhmosio kai koinwniko xarakthra twn noshleytikwn idrymatwn. Me ayth thn ennoia, qa antimetwpisoyme ta problhmata poy yparxoyn kai parallhla qa synexisoyme th megalh prospaqeia poy kanoyme ta teleytaia xronia me th dhmioyrgia newn nosokomeiwn, ton ejoplismo toys kai thn proslhch episthmonikoy dynamikoy sta nosokomeia ayta. Ypenqymizw oti, oson afora oikonomika aithmata, ta opoia exoyn qesei oi giatroi, oi apanthseis poy dinontai apo to Ypoyrgeio Ygeias synantoyn, kat` arxhn, mia qetikh antidrash apo thn pleyra twn ekproswpwn twn giatrwn. Hdh, xqes, o ypoyrgos Ygeias eixe syzhthsh me thn Omospondia twn giatrwn (th gnwsth OENGE) kai thn Enwsh nosokomeiakwn giatrwn Qessalonikhs (ENIQ). Shmera, qa exei syzhthsh me thn Enwsh twn giatrwn twn nosokomeiwn Aqhnas-Peiraia, th gnwsth EINAP. Apo tis syzhthseis poy eixe xqes o k. Papadhmas me tis Enwseis twn giatrwn, stis opoies aneptyje tis prwtoboylies poy phre h kybernhsh, fainetai pws h ikanopoihsh poy ejefrasan oi Enwseis apotelei kai thn aparxh, gia na pame se omalopoihsh ths katastashs kai sto xwro ths Ygeias kai idiaitera se ekeina ta nosokomeia poy parathroyntai problhmata. Allwste, ton prohgoymeno xrono, gia amoibes giatrwn to kondyli poy problepotan ayjhqhke kata 42 dis draxmes. Pisteyoyme oti oi ryqmiseis stis opoies probainei twra to Ypoyrgeio Ygeias ikanopoioyn apolytws, kai se orismenes periptwseis yperkalyptoyn, tis apaithseis twn Noshleytikwn Idrymatwn, gia thn kalych twn amoibwn twn giatrwn gia tis efhmeries toys.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

KIAOS: Posh wra krathse h synedriash toy KYSEA;

REPPAS: Peripoy treis wres.

KIAOS: Eishghths htan o k. Tsoxatzopoylos;

REPPAS: Sth synedriash toy KYSEA den symmeteixan h ka Papandreoy, poy apoysiazei sto ejwteriko kai o k. Pagkalos, o opoios einai asqenhs. Basikos eishghths htan o ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Amynas A. Tsoxatzopoylos. Symmeteixan kai aneferan diafora stoixeia o k. Smpwkos, o Arxhgos twn Enoplwn Dynamewn kai o Arxhgos GEA.

KIAOS: Ayto poy eipate, Tsoxatzopoylos, Smpwkos A/GEEQA kai A/GEA eixan thn idia apoch;

REPPAS: Osoi elaban to logo diatypwsan paraplhsies apoceis. Basikos eishghths htan o k. Tsoxatzopoylos, o opoios einai kai melos toy KYSEA. Oi apoceis poy ekfrazoyn oi alloi einai apoceis texnikwn, empeirognwmonwn. Oi apoceis aytes, bebaiws, einai aytes poy exoyn odhghsei, logw ths proergasias poy exei ginei, ton ypoyrgo Eqnikhs Amynas na diatypwnei mia sygkekrimenh eishghsh. Kai oi alloi ypoyrgoi poy elaban to logo diatypwsan apoceis poy htan paraplhsies me aytes toy k. Tsoxatzopoyloy. To qema einai oti, logw akribws ths megalhs dapanhs poy problepetai gia thn agora twn newn maxhtikwn aeroskafwn, prepei na melethsoyme peraiterw kapoies pleyres toy qematos, prokeimenoy h apofash poy qa laboyme na einai h pleon symferoysa.

KIAOS: Den htan oloklhrwmenh h eishghsh gia enan sygkekrimeno typo maxhtikoy aeroskafoys; Kai giati den htan;

REPPAS: Oi eishghseis htan oloklhrwmenes. Sas eipa oti eprepe na ejetasoyme thn ajiologhsh twn texnikwn stoixeiwn kai thn epixeirhsiakh ikanothta kaqe typoy, se syndyasmo me to teliko kostos poy prokyptei gia thn agora twn aeroskafwn. Ayto akribws qa mas apasxolhsei, opws sas eipa, se mia epomenh synedriash toy KYSEA, otan qa laboyme thn telikh apofash mas.

KIAOS: Epeidh ola ayta htan gnwsta prohgoymenws, poso stoixizei to kaqena, ti texnikes aretes exei, ti texnika problhmata paroysiazei k. lp., giati den htan sygkekrimenh h eishghsh na paroyn to A', to B', to G' k. l. p.

REPPAS: H eishghsh htan apolytws sygkekrimenh, opws sygkekrimenes htan kai oi topoqethseis twn allwn melwn toy KYSEA. Poio einai, omws, to qema; Eginan enallaktikes protaseis, enallaktikes proseggiseis apo toys symmetexontes, giati panta thn kaqe protash toys th synartoyn me to kostos. Ayto einai akribws to qema, to opoio odhghse sto na mh laboyme shmera apofash kai na ejetasoyme ayth thn pleyra, prokeimenoy se epomenh synedriash na katalhjoyme sthn oristikh apofash.

KIAOS: Mporeite na mas peite, h arxikh protash h estw h kat` arxhn protash, opws mas eipate, gia poio typo aeroskafoys htan me tis enallaktikes protaseis twn allwn;

REPPAS: Den einai dynato na ypeiselqw se leptomereies ayths ths synedriashs kai den prokeitai na probw se dhmosia anakoinwsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate oti htan paraplhsies oi eishghseis. Dhladh, yparxoyn diafwnies metajy toys;

REPPAS: Eipa gia paraplhsies topoqethseis twn allwn melwn toy KYSEA. Eishghths einai enas, den kanoyn oloi eishghseis. O enas eishgeitai, oi alloi omiloyn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati xreiasthke ektos apo ton ypoyrgo Eqnikhs Amynas na zhthqei kai h gnwmh twn allwn triwn poy milhsan; Giati milhsan Smpwkos, A/GEEQA, A/GEA; O ypoyrgos den eixe kanei prohgoymenws mazi toys mia syskech gia na yparxei mia koinh eishghsh;

REPPAS: Prepei na sas pw oti se oles tis synedriaseis toy KYSEA gia ayta ta qemata symmetexoyn kai oi epikefalhs twn Enoplwn Dynamewn kai miloyn gia tis texnikes leptomereies. Epishs, kai o k. Smpwkos, o opoios einai ejoysiodothmenos synergaths toy k. Tsoxatzopoyloy kai xeirizetai ayto to qema, anaferqhke sthn oikonomikh ptyxh aytwn twn programmatwn. Den einai, dhladh, kati poy egine shmera gia prwth fora. Se oles tis synedriaseis poy exoyn ginei ews twra oi anaferqentes exoyn labei meros kai exoyn labei kai to logo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: En pash periptwsei, k. Ypoyrge, oikonomiko einai to qema;

REPPAS: Einai, asfalws, kai oikonomiko. Exoyme pei, kat` epanalhch, oti qeloyme Enoples Dynameis poy qa exoyn isxyrh apotreptikh ikanothta. H amyna ths xwras, metajy twn allwn, sthrizetai, kyriws, stis isxyres Enoples Dynameis. Qeloyme na diasfalisoyme to aristo amyntiko apotelesma, me th symferoterh gia thn eqnikh oikonomia dapanh. Pisteyw oti exoyme xreos na melethsoyme poly kala ayto to syndyasmo, prokeimenoy na odhghqoyme sthn orqoterh apofash.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh jepernaei thn apofash poy exei parei to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio gia to ejoplistiko; Jepernaei to oikonomiko;

REPPAS: Ola ayta ta qemata, qa prepei na ta synektimhsoyme kai gi' ayto kriqhke oti xreiazetai mia peraiterw meleth, prin laboyme thn telikh apofash mas.

KIAOS: Einai kai politiko dhladh to qema;

REPPAS: Kanena politiko qema den ypeiserxetai s' aytes tis periptwseis. Giati to eqniko symferon odhgei sto na paroyme mia apofash h opoia qa exei stoxo thn kalyterh eqnikh amyna. Kalyterh eqnikh amyna exeis otan diaqeteis ton kalytero oplismo kai exeis katorqwsei na ejasfaliseis ton oplismo ayto me tis mikroteres, kata to dynaton, dapanes, prokeimenoy na mhn yponomeyseis thn oikonomia soy. Ayta pane mazi.

EYSTAQIOY: Pote qa synedriasei jana to KYSEA gia na labei thn oristikh apofash;

REPPAS: Den apofasisthke pote qa ginei h epomenh synedriash.

EYSTAQIOY: Epeidh eipate "kyriws ayto to qema syzhthqhke", syzhthqhkan kai kapoia alla;

REPPAS: Oxi, ayto to qema syzhthqhke: h ajiologhsh toy neoy maxhtikoy aeroskafoys.

ELENOPOYLOS: H apofash qa lhfqei sto epomeno KYSEA h se epomeno KYSEA; Kai deyteron, ayto to KYSEA qa ginei prin h meta to synedrio toy PASOK;

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola eipa oti den exei apofasisqei pote qa ginei h epomenh synedriash. Deyteron, eipa -kai hmoyn safhs giati to eipa dyo h treis fores- oti h apofash qa lhfqei se epomeno KYSEA. An lhfqei sto epomeno, einai kati poy den to gnwrizw ayth thn wra, doqentos oti den exei sygklhqei to epomeno KYSEA, ara den exei prosdioristei kai h hmerhsia diatajh toy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate -rwtw gia to qema ths ygeias- oti ikanopoiei, oti ejefrasan ikanopoihsh oi Enwseis, oi ryqmiseis ikanopoioyn. Afoy ikanopoioyn giati den anoigoyn ta nosokomeia; Giati den pane oi giatroi, efoson ikanopoihqhkan; Den einai sxhma ojymwro ayto;

REPPAS: Den prepei na omiloyme genikws gia nosokomeia. Ta perissotera nosokomeia sth xwra leitoyrgoyn. Yparxoyn, bebaiws, kai oi liges ekeines periptwseis opoy exoyn ekdhlwqei problhmata. Pisteyoyme oti oi synanthseis poy eixe xqes o ypoyrgos Ygeias me toys ekproswpoys twn iatrwn thn OENGE kai thn ENIQ kai h synanthsh poy qa exei shmera me thn EINAP, opws eipa prin kai epanalambanw, qa apotelesoyn thn aparxh prokeimenoy na kleisei aytos o kyklos talaipwrias twn asqenwn poy proserxontai sta dhmosia nosokomeia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate oti "ikanopoioyn". Afoy "ikanopoioyn" den to katalabainoyn;

REPPAS: Oi idioi me dhlwseis poy ekanan ejefrasan ayth thn ikanopoihsh. Aplws, prepei na akoloyqhqoyn oi diadikasies poy problepontai sta organa twn Enwsewn toys. Qa eishghqoyn qetika stis syneleyseis toys kai pisteyoyme oti oi apofaseis oi opoies qa lhfqoyn (para to oti bebaiws den eimai egw o armodios na prokatalabw mia tetoia apofash) qa odhgoyn sth lhjh twn kinhtopoihsewn sto xwro ths ygeias.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ws ypoyrgos Typoy, symfwneite me ayta poy eipe xqes sth Boylh o k. Farmakhs gia toys dhmosiografoys oti synteinoyn kai aytoi me ta reportaz -kai eidika gia ta kanalia anefere- s` ayth thn eikona poy paroysiazetai;

REPPAS: Einai gnwsto oti polles fores o tropos me ton opoio paroysiazetai ena qema, odhgei sthn ejagwgh lanqasmenwn symperasmatwn. Ayto panta ginotan, ginetai twra kai panta qa ginetai.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oxi, afhse aixmes, kyrie Ypoyrge, oti leitoyrgoyn etsi oi dhmosiografoi gia na stelnoyn ton kosmo sta idiwtika nosokomeia.

REPPAS: Oi dhmosiografoi, idiws oi ergazomenoi sta hlektronika MME, metajy twn allwn, gnwrizoyn oti to qema toys, prokeimenoy na einai dieisdytiko, prepei na ereqizei thn koinh gnwmh, prepei na prokalei megalh entypwsh. H eikona einai poly dynath. Yparxoyn, bebaiws, problhmata. Den prepei omws ayta na anadeiknyontai me tropo poy odhgei sthn ejagwgh lanqasmenoy symperasmatos, oti dhladh h katastash sto xwro ths ygeias einai ayth poy orioqeteitai me thn anafora sta sygkekrimena problhmata. Yparxoyn ayta ta problhmata. H dhmosia ygeia sthn Ellada, omws, den arxizei kai den teleiwnei s` ayta ta epimeroys problhmata. Einai ta megala panepisthmiaka kai alla nosokomeia poy exoyn idryqei ta teleytaia xronia. Einai oi xiliades twn iatrwn kai toy noshleytikoy proswpikoy poy ergazontai kaqe mera gia na prosferoyn th bohqeia toys se osoys thn exoyn anagkh. Einai oi nees pteryges. Einai ta nea mhxanhmata. Einai ta Kentra Ygeias se olh thn Ellada. Ola ayta exoyn bohqhsei na beltiwsoyme para poly thn paroxh yphresiwn ygeias pros ton ellhniko lao.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh oi dhmosiografoi meteferan tis cofies gates ekei gia na tis trabhjoyn eikones, kai ta alla ta skoyriasmena kai tis katsarides; Oi dhmosiografoi ta meteferan;

REPPAS: Kyrie Stamatopoyle, einai aparadekth ayth h katastash poy parathreitai, me antikeimena h alla apoblhta se orismenes gwnies twn nosokomeiwn. Thn apodokimazoyme oloi. Ayto to opoio epanalambanw, einai oti den einai to synolo twn nosokomeiwn ths xwras s` ayth thn katastash. Den einai kan to idio to nosokomeio sto opoio tetoioy eidoys peristatika mporei na entopizontai, s' ayth thn poly asxhmh katastash poy paroysiazetai. Giati qa prepei, kaqws epishmainoyme to problhma -gia na eimaste dikaioi- na anagnwrizoyme oti exei epitelestei poly shmantikh proodos. Alliws adikoyme thn prospaqeia poy kanoyn oi dioikhseis, oi giatroi kai oi ergazomenoi sta nosokomeia, otan mhdenizoyme thn prospaqeia toys, xarakthrizontas ena noshleytiko idryma mono kai mono apo tetoioy eidoys apodokimastea apo kaqe apoch peristatika.

STAMATOPOYLOS: San ypoyrgos Typoy exete na kanete kapoio sxolio gia thn poinh poy epeblhqh apo to Efeteio twn 50 ekatommyriwn draxmwn, se dhmosiografo;

REPPAS: Den sxoliazw apofaseis dikasthriwn. Proswpikh moy qesh kai epiqymia mas einai oi dhmosiografoi na ergazontai eleyqera. Kai en pash periptwsei ta qemata ta opoia exoyn sxesh me thn epishmansh twn koinwnikwn problhmatwn h kai thn politikh antiparaqesh -giati se megalo baqmo oi dhmosiografoi exoyn kai aytoi ena politiko ergaleio sta xeria toys to opoio xrhsimopoioyn- qa prepei na menoyn makran twn dikastikwn organwn. Ayta einai qemata ta opoia antimetwpizontai me alles diadikasies sth dhmosia zwh ths xwras.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oxi kyrie Ypoyrge, einai me nomo toy ypoyrgeioy Typoy, toy prohgoymenoy ypoyrgoy Typoy. Balate, perasate mia diatajh poy rixnei to ligotero 10 ekatommyria prostimo. To ligotero. Den afhnei to dikasth na balei 500 xiliades h 10 xiliades. To ligotero, leei o nomos 10 ekatommyria.

REPPAS: Ayto einai to problhma; Kai twra eseis qelete na krinw giati epeblhqh to poso twn 50 ekatommyriwn kai den epeblhqh to poso twn 10 ekatommyriwn poy einai to elaxisto orio;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oxi. To ejontwtiko ayto poso to opoio epishmainei -gia tis ejontwtikes poines twn dhmosiografwn sthn Ellada- kai to Dieqnes Institoyto Typoy.

REPPAS: Pisteyw oti oi dhmosiografoi, oi opoioi metajy olwn twn allwn endiaferontai gia thn hqikh diastash toy leitoyrghmatos toys, qeloyn genikws na krinontai apo to ergo toys kai na mhn emplekontai se tetoies diadikasies oi opoies exoyn sxesh me thn parabash h oxi twn nomwn. Giati, se teleytaia analysh, den einai qema posothtas, an to prostimo einai 50 ekatommyria h 500 xiliades, giati egw pisteyw oti h hqikh blabh gia ena dhmosiografo einai to idio shmantikh. Enas dhmosiografos den nomizw oti endiaferetai kyriws na plhrwsei ligotera. Enas dhmosiografos endiaferetai na mh xreiastei na plhrwsei. Giati to ergo toy qelei na krinetai me tropo poy den afhnei periqwria emplokhs dikastikwn organwn.

KIAOS: Xqes, eipate oti o k. Tsoxatzopoylos, ws ypoyrgos Amynhs, shkwnei ena baros gia ton ejoplismo to baros gia thn amyna klp kai dexetai tis pieseis. Tis pieseis aytes tis dexetai twra sto synolo ths h kybernhsh h mono o k. Tsoxatzopoylos;

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola moy dinete thn aformh na pw oti profanws syzhthsame gia ta qemata ayta kai anaferqhka sthn anhsyxia poy noiwqei panta h prepei na noiwqei panta o Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos kai thn piesh thn opoia yfistatai panta o ypoyrgos Amynas mias xwras. Idiaiterws mias xwras opws h dikh mas, poy antimetwpizei idiaiteres synqhkes. Kai ayto to gnwrizete. Eida shmera ayto na syndeetai me to ejoplistiko programma kai na qewreitai oti o k. Tsoxatzopoylos brisketai dhqen ypo thn piesh diaforwn promhqeytwn gia na labei mia sygkekrimenh apofash. Ayto einai ena ayqaireto symperasma. Den eipa egw kati tetoio xqes. Asfalws egine paranohsh. H kybernhsh den brisketai ypo piesh. H kybernhsh noiwqei megalh eyqynh apenanti sta problhmata poy apasxoloyn th xwra, giati, opws exw pei kat' epanalhch, ayta apoteloyn ton antipalo mas, to monadiko antipalo mas. Kai h prospaqeia poy kanoyme pisteyoyme oti qa eyodwqei. Kai otan erqei h wra na kriqoyme apo ton ellhniko lao, qa anagnwristei h prospaqeia kai to apotelesma ths kai qa kriqoyme qetika.

KIAOS: To idio baros me ton k. Tsoxatzopoylo den to koybalaei kai h kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Kaqenas koybalaei to stayro toy martyrioy toy ston tomea ston opoio proistatai. Alla, se kaqe xwra yparxoyn problhmata ta opoia bebaiws antimetwpizontai eykolotera h dyskolotera kai analogws twn oikonomikwn dynatothtwn poy exei kaqe ypoyrgos, pragma to opoio einai se synarthsh me to epipedo anaptyjhs kaqe xwras. Omws, oson fora thn ejwterikh politikh kai thn amyna, gnwrizete oti h Ellada brisketai se mia poly idiaiterh qesh, logw ths geitniashs ths me mia xwra h opoia epiboyleyetai ta eqnika symferonta mas. Ayth einai h diafora. To qema ths Ygeias eite sthn Ellada, eite sthn Portogalia, to qema ths Dioikhshs eite sthn Irlandia, eite sthn Ellada apaitei, bebaiws, terastia prospaqeia. To qema omws, ths amynas kai ths ejwterikhs politikhs prepei sthn Ellada na antimetwpistei me poly eidikoys oroys, se sxesh me to pws to antimetwpizoyn alles xwres. Giati ta problhmata poy exoyme emeis s' aytoys toys tomeis den ta exoyn alles xwres, toylaxiston sthn E. E.

KIAOS: Ti einai ayto poy prytaneyse ston Prwqypoyrgo, kata th synanthsh toy me toys ypoyrgoys Eqnikhs Oikonomias kai Ergasias kai Koinwnikwn Asfalisewn kai toys eipe "stop h diadikasia koinwnikoy dialogoy gia to megalo paketo to asfalistiko, qa to doyme se allo xrono" klp. Ti mesolabhse, ti prytaneyse kai ti egine;

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola den eixame ejaggeilei kamia sygkekrimenh apofash, wste na qewreitai oti akyrwnoyme mia apofash me thn ejelijh ayth. Yparxei pragmati mia xronikh metaqesh h opoia einai aparaithth. Krinetai anagkaia ayth h xronikh metaqesh, giati qa prepei na ereynhqoyn kai alles parametroi: Qa prepei na oloklhrwqei ayth h ergasia poy exei ginei me pollh epimeleia kai systhmatiko tropo apo ta synarmodia ypoyrgeia, kyriws apo to ypoyrgeio Ergasias kai Koinwnikwn Asfalisewn. Allwste, to ypoyrgeio Ergasias kai idiaiterws h Genikh Grammateia Koinwnikwn Asfalisewn qa shkwsoyn to baros ths oloklhrwshs ayths ths meleths poy qa synexistei mexri na laboyme thn telikh apofash mas. Ayto einai kai tipote allo.

KIAOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw an ayto exei sxesh me strofh pros ton idiwtiko tomea asfalisews.

REPPAS: Kamia sxesh. Apanthsa kai tis prohgoymenes hmeres se sxetikh erwthsh. Emeis pisteyoyme oti ta asfalistika tameia qa prepei na einai isxyra. Emeis frontizoyme na parameinoyn isxyra ta asfalistika tameia prokeimenoy na antapokriqoyn stis ypoxrewseis toys apenanti sta asfalismena melh toys.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mia dieykrinish s` ayto. Prin tis ekloges qa to anakoinwsete h meta;

REPPAS: Einai kati gia to opoio ayth thn wra den eimai etoimos na pw otidhpote allo.

EYSTAQIOY: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw kati gia ena prohgoymeno qema sxetika me th leitoyrgia twn kanaliwn. O diashmos skhnoqeths kai logios Pier Paolo Pazolini elege panta oti "h yperbolh einai h apeikonish ths alhqeias". Gi` ayto isws yperballoyn kai ta kanalia...

REPPAS: Qa hmoyn eytyxhs an se kaqe reportaz proballete kai ayth th frash toy Pazolini, wste na to gnwrizoyn ayto kai oi thleqeates, oti etsi dia ths yperbolhs plhroforoyntai thn alhqeia.

EYSTAQIOY: Qa hqela na kanw epishs, mia symplhrwmatikh erwthsh se ayth toy k. Stamatopoyloy. Epeidh yphrje mia syzhthsh sthn Epitroph toy PASOK gia tis eyrwekloges kai malista sthn teleytaia synedriash ypo ton k. Shmith, mhpws olh ayth h anabolh kai metaqesh sxetizetai me ayto poy apofasisthke na stamathsoyn oles oi koinwnikes entaseis kai ta koinwnika problhmata mexri tis eyrwekloges;

REPPAS: Den prepei na syndeoyme to ena me to allo. Allwste, oi prospaqeies gia thn anamorfwsh toy asfalistikoy systhmatos stoxeyoyn sthn ejyphrethsh twn symferontwn twn asfalizomenwn. Ara, den mporei na apotelesoyn oi opoies ejelijeis ston tomea ayto, pedio gia antidikies kai antiparaqeseis. Prepei na dynamwsoyme ta asfalistika tameia. Ayto einai kati poy to qeloyn oloi. Qa proxwrhsoyme se ayth th diadikasia me dialogo kai synainesh, afoy eimaste etoimoi na poyme me safhneia kai leptomereia tis qeseis mas.

EYSTAQIOY: Exete kapoio sxolio gia thn erwthsh poy kateqese pros ton Prwqypoyrgo o boyleyths toy PASOK kai prwhn ypoyrgos k. Kedikogloy gia ton k. Giannopoylo, poy yposthrizei oti htan synergaths twn Germanwn;

REPPAS: Ayta ta qemata exoyn apanthqei. Pisteyw oti einai adiko gia ton k. Giannopoylo, alla kai gia thn politikh zwh ths xwras, na xrhsimopoioyme tetoies meqodoys, mono kai mono gia logoys poy den exoyn opoiadhpote sxesh me thn antiparaqesh idewn kai apocewn.

KIAOS: Qa ginei parathrhsh ston k. Kedikogloy gi` ayto;

REPPAS: O k. Kedikogloy, opws kaqe boyleyths, mporei eleyqera na leei tis apoceis toy. Kanei poly kala na xrhsimopoiei ta dikaiwmata poy toy dinei o kanonismos ths Boylhs. Ws boyleyths alla kai ws poliths exei ayto to dikaiwma. O k. Giannopoylos einai melos ths kybernhshs kai gnwrizete oti exei anagnwristei ws enas ek twn koryfaiwn stelexwn ths Eqnikhs Antistashs. Qa elega oti sto xwro ths politikhs einai isws o monadikos aytoy toy epipedoy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate "tetoies meqodoys". Ti ennoeite;

REPPAS: Ennow meqodoys poy den exoyn sxesh me thn politikh antiparaqesh h th diakinhsh idewn. Giati to na epitiqesai se kapoion ypoyrgo me ayto ton tropo, pisteyw oti einai kati to opoio jeperna th deontologia. Allwste, ta dyo stelexh anhkoyn sto idio komma. Einai melh ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs toy idioy kommatos. Pisteyw oti den einai idio dhmokratwn, sosialistwn politikwn ta qemata poy toys apasxoloyn, na ta antimetwpizoyn di` aytoy toy tropoy.

TRILIKHS: H kybernhsh ti perimenei apo to epomeno KYSEA; Mia nea eishghsh panw sthn kentrikh eishghsh, h opoia egine shmera h leptomereies panw stis enallaktikes eishghseis poy katateqhkan h mhpws perimenei na akoysei kai kapoioys nees eishghtes poy qa einai ta kainoyrgia proswpa sthn ierarxia twn Enoplwn Dynamewn;

REPPAS: To qema ayto syzhthqhke. Den exw na pw tipota perissotero peran twn oswn sas eipa prin. Apla, epanalambanw oti prepei na sysxetisoyme to kostos agoras toy neoy maxhtikoy aeroskafoys, me thn epilogh toy aeroskafoys poy qa ejyphretei kalytera ta ellhnika symferonta, poy qa einai to pleon katallhlo apo epixeirhsiakh apoch. Ayto einai ena qema to opoio exei kapoies pleyres poy prepei akomh na melethqoyn. Kai epeidh prepei akomh na melethqoyn, kriqhke oti den eprepe na paroyme shmera thn apofash. Qa thn paroyme se mia epomenh synedriash.

TRILIKHS: Me th meleth epifortizetai to epiteleio ths Aeroporias, to ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas h to synolo twn melwn toy KYSEA;

REPPAS: Qa yparxei mia peraiterw synergasia toy Ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Amynas me to Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Oikonomias gia ta qemata poy aforoyn to kostos ths paraggelias, opoia ki an einai ayth.

TRILIKHS: Basei ths kentrikhs eishghshs panta h twn enallaktikwn;

REPPAS: Asfalws, basei ths kentrikhs eishghshs. Mia eishghsh egine shmera apo ton armodio ypoyrgo. O armodios ypoyrgos exei staqerothta apocewn, den allazei eishghseis apo mhna se mhna kai malista gia toso shmantika qemata.

Sas eyxaristw kai kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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