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Greek Government Press Briefing, 98-10-19

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 19 Oktwbrioy 1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Qa sas enhmerwsw, se genikes grammes, gia to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy ayths ths ebdomadas.

* Ayrio, Trith stis 11 to prwi, sto Megaro Majimoy, synedriazoyn apo koinoy h Kybernhtikh Epitroph kai h Politikh Grammateia toy PASOK, me antikeimeno thn ektimhsh twn eklogikwn apotelesmatwn. Epiqymeite, nomizw, na kanoyme th syzhthsh mas, meta thn oloklhrwsh ths synedriashs, para to oti einai atypes oi synedriaseis aytes, opws exoyme pei kai sto parelqon.

* Thn Tetarth, stis 10.30 to prwi, qa synedriasei h Koinoboyleytikh Omada toy PASOK, me synafes antikeimeno.

* Thn Paraskeyh, qa synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, me qema syzhthshs ton Proypologismo.

* Sto telos ths ebdomadas ayths, gnwrizete oti ginetai h Synodos Koryfhs sto Portschach ths Aystrias. O Prwqypoyrgos qa anaxwrhsei to Sabbato, to prwi, kai qa epistrecei thn Kyriakh to apogeyma, sth Qessalonikh, prokeimenoy th Deytera to prwi na metabei sto Agion Oros kai na synanthqei me ton Panagiotato Oikoymeniko Patriarxh Barqolomaio, o opoios qa brisketai, hdh, ekei, metexontas stis ekdhlwseis gia th symplhrwsh 1.000 etwn apo thn idrysh ths Monhs Jenofwntos.

* Qa moy epitrecete na kanw ena eisagwgiko sxolio. Qa prepei na tonisw, prwta ap` ola, thn ikanopoihsh olwn mas gia ton omalo kai dhmokratiko tropo, me ton opoio diejhxqhsan oi ekloges. Ekfrazoyme ta sygxarhthria mas se osoys anadeixqhkan stis qeseis twn Nomarxwn kai Dhmarxwn. H Kybernhsh qa staqei sto pleyro toys. H Kybernhsh, h opoia empneysthke kai kaqierwse thn aireth Nomarxiakh Aytodioikhsh h proxwrhse sth dhmioyrgia twn newn megalwn Dhmwn, sto plaisio toy programmatos "I. Kapodistrias", exei prosqetoys logoys na epiqymei, oi metarryqmiseis aytes na apodwsoyn karpoys gia thn perifereiakh anaptyjh, gia thn anazwogonhsh ths ellhnikhs ypaiqroy. To apotelesma ayto, logiko einai -to anamenete kai to gnwrizete- na krinetai kai apo emas ws katwtero twn prosdokiwn mas. Oi prosdokies mas eixan dhmioyrghqei, me bash mia qesh: Aytos o opoios syllambanei kai prowqei tetoies tomes kai allages, fysiko einai na anamenei thn yposthrijh twn proswpwn kai twn syndyasmwn poy einai filikoi pros ekeinh thn politikh dynamh -thn Kybernhsh sthn prokeimenh periptwsh- poy eishghqhke kai kaqierwse aytes tis allages, wste etsi na katoxyrwqoyn oi qesmoi kai na diasfalistei h aproskopth leitoyrgia toys. Ta apotelesmata twn eklogwn, sto deytero gyro, exoyn prokycei me th syndromh pollwn paragontwn kai stoixeiwn poy prepei na ektimhqoyn. Gnwrizete oti sto deytero gyro, o poliths-chfoforos exei th dynatothta na epilejei metajy dyo ypochfiwn. Sto deytero gyro anadeiknyontai oi ajiwmatoyxoi, den katagrafontai, akribws, oi sysxetismoi dynamewn, opws symbainei, se megalo baqmo, ston prwto gyro. Ta apotelesmata ayta, loipon, qa prepei na ektimhqoyn, afoy se kaqe periptwsh qa prepei na ermhneysoyme to rolo twn proswpwn, thn ajiopistia twn programmatwn, th dhmioyrgia symmaxiwn h synergasiwn, alla kai alloys paragontes, oi opoioi odhghsan se ayta ta apotelesmata. Se polles periptwseis exoyme mia eteroklhth synqesh pleiochfiwn. Akoyw politikoys hgetes na ermhneyoyn thn chfo, ws chfo katadikhs ths politikhs entajhs ths xwras mas sthn ONE. Pisteyw oti oi chfoforoi, oi opoioi epelejan kapoia chfodeltia, den symfwnoyn me mia tetoia ermhneia, doqentos oti epiqymoyn thn entajh ths xwras sthn ONE kai askoyn kritikh sthn Kybernhsh, zhtwntas entash twn prospaqeiwn, gia na petyxoyme ayto to stoxo. H Kybernhsh synexizei thn poreia ths. To plaisio ths politikhs mas, poy einai orqo, paramenei ws exei. Asfalws, polles pleyres ths politikhs mas qa prepei na tis ejetasoyme, ajiologwntas ayto to polymorfo kai polyptyxo mhnyma twn eklogwn, toso toy prwtoy, oso kai toy deyteroy gyroy. Ayto to opoio exei shmasia einai, exontas aisqhsh toy xreoys kai ths eyqynhs mas apenanti sto Eqnos kai ton ellhniko lao, na synexisoyme kai na epityxoyme aytoys toys stoxoys poy exoyme qesei. Ayto qa kanoyme. Den qa pagideytoyme sthn prospaqeia dhmioyrgias efhmerwn entypwsewn. Epilegoyme to dromo ths eyqynhs. Einai enas dromos makras pnohs, megalhs prospaqeias, enas dyskolos dromos, an lhfqoyn ypoch oi dieqneis synqhkes kai sygkyries, katw apo tis opoies prepei na dianysoyme to dromo ayto. Pisteyw oti qa petyxoyme. Kai to 2000 otan qa klhqei o ellhnikos laos na epilejei kai pali thn Kybernhsh ths xwras, qa empisteyqei kai pali to komma mas.

Eimai etoimos na apanthsw se opoiadhpote erwthsh sas.

LAKOPOYLOS: Eipate oti prepei na ajiologhqei o rolos twn proswpwn, h ajiopistia twn programmatwn k. lp. Nomizw oti se mia eklogikh diadikasia, o ypertatos ajiologhths einai to eklogiko swma. Loipon, ayth h ajiologhsh egine, mesw twn apotelesmatwn. Ti ennoeite, loipon, oti qa kanete twra ajiologhsh; Ti qa ajiologhsete;

REPPAS: Qymaste mia apo tis polles lejeis poy eipa. Den qymaste, omws, pws sysxetisa th lejh ayth me tis alles lejeis. Eipa oti qa prepei na ajiologhsoyme, poso ephrease kaqenas apo toys diaforoys paragontes, wste na exoyme ayto to apotelesma. Enas apo toys paragontes aytoys, eipa oti einai ta proswpa. Qa prepei na ajiologhsoyme, loipon, poso synebale o paragontas "proswpo" h o paragontas "programma" se ayto to apotelesma. Ayto eipa. Asfalws, oi epiloges poy eginan apo to Kinhma -kai den milw ek meroys toy Kinhmatos, mporw omws na kanw ena geniko sxolio- eginan me skopo na epidiwjoyme kai na epityxoyme ta kalytera apotelesmata. Alla, bebaiws, ek twn ysterwn, exontas dedomenh thn krish twn politwn, mporeis na proxwrhseis se mia ajiologhsh ths symbolhs olwn aytwn twn paragontwn, sth diamorfwsh aytoy toy eklogikoy apotelesmatos.

LAKOPOYLOS: Mporei, omws, kapoios na mhn apodexetai thn krish, kyriws sto shmeio poy afora tis symperifores allwn kommatwn. Eseis, oi idioi, ws komma kai ws Kybernhsh, epi mia ebdomada kaloysate ta kommata ths elassonos antipoliteyshs na sas yperchfisoyn. To qewroysate qemito. Twra giati to qewreite aqemito kai ypainisseste oti chfisan alla chfodeltia; Giati einai paradojo ayto;

REPPAS: Prin apanthsw qa kanw mia eisagwgikh parathrhsh: Gnwrizete oti h askhsh ths diakybernhshs ths xwras ginetai apo ena komma h symmaxia kommatwn, an den prokyptei pleiochfia enos kommatos, h opoia pleiochfia anadeiknyetai me ena gnwsto eklogiko systhma. H pleiochfia ayth einai mia pleiochfia sxetikh. Antiqetws, stis nomarxiakes kai dhmotikes ekloges apaiteitai h ejasfalish ths apolyths pleiochfias, prokeimenoy kapoios na anadeixqei nomarxhs h dhmarxos. Ayto, loipon, aytomatws shmainei oti qa prepei na dhmioyrghqoyn synergasies kai symmaxies, prokeimenoy na epiteyxqei ayth h apolyth pleiochfia. Emeis, milwntas, en ocei toy deyteroy gyroy, gia th dhmioyrgia twn pleiochfiwn poy qa anadeiknyan nomarxiakoys kai dhmotikoys arxontes, yposthrizomenoys kai apo to Kinhma mas, epishmaname thn programmatikh syggeneia h sygklish, h opoia ek twn pragmatwn yparxei kai einai ekfrasmenh kai mporoyse na apotelesei th bash, prokeimenoy na sygkrothqoyn aytes oi pleiochfies gyrw apo toys neoys qesmoys ths Aytodioikhshs. Eidame, antiqetws, se polles periptwseis na dhmioyrgoyntai pleiochfies eteroklhths synqeshs chfwn, toso gia ta kentrika qemata ths xwras, oso kai gia ta qemata ths Aytodioikhshs. Exoyme pleiochfies se kapoies periptwseis, opoy synyparxoyn aytos o opoios enantiwnetai sthn ONE kai aytos o opoios einai ypermaxos ths. Exoyme symporeysh kai synergasia dynamewn sta qemata ths Aytodioikhshs. Ekfrazontai me poikiloys tropoys oi dynameis aytes, alles yper twn newn qesmwn, ths apokentrwshs kai ths dhmioyrgias twn newn prwtobaqmiwn organismwn kai alles enantion aytwn twn metarryqmisewn. Ola ayta qa prepei na ektimhqoyn, me poly leptomerh, systhmatiko kai episthmoniko tropo gia na ejaxqei ena teliko kai asfales politiko symperasma. Mexri tote, qa prepei na eimaste epifylaktikoi, epeidh -apo periptwsh se periptwsh- mporoyme na synanthsoyme ta pio antifatika stoixeia, ta opoia, epeidh akribws einai antifatika, den epitrepoyn th biastikh kai eykolh, en pash periptwsei, ejagwgh enos genikoy politikoy symperasmatos.

LAKOPOYLOS: Parathrhsame oti o Prwqypoyrgos sth dhlwsh poy ekane, sxetika me to mhnyma ths prwths Kyriakhs, eipe oti h Kybernhsh kai elabe to mhnyma kai qa to ajiologhsei kai ypainixqhke, kata kapoio tropo, epimeroys allages. Sth xqesinh dhlwsh toy, h diatypwsh gia ajiologhsh toy mhnymatos kai o ypainigmos gia allages den yparxei. Mesolabhse kati kai ajiologeitai me diaforetiko tropo to mhnyma poy bghke apo to deytero gyro;

REPPAS: Sth xqesinh dhlwsh toy o Prwqypoyrgos, anaferetai kai sta pollapla mhnymata, ta opoia, metajy twn allwn, aforoyn kai pleyres ths politikhs mas. Kai ayta akribws ta qemata qa apasxolhsoyn ta organa ths Kybernhshs kai toy Kinhmatos. Opws, hdh, proanhggeila, ayrio qa exoyme thn prwth synedriash kybernhtikoy kai kommatikoy organoy gia na syzhthqoyn ayta ta qemata. Asfalws, to eipe o Prwqypoyrgos kai h dhlwsh poy ekane, xqes, diagrafei ena plaisio poly safes kai apokalyptiko, oson afora to pws antilambanomaste emeis ta apotelesmata twn eklogwn aytwn, opws epishs kai to pws antilambanomaste to xreos mas, to kaqhkon mas apenanti sth xwra kai to lao.

MIXAHL: Anejarthta apo thn analysh poy qa kanei to kaqe komma gia ta apotelesmata, to an dhladh exase h kerdise kai me poia pososta, gegonos einai oti pente megales prwteyoyses poy paradosiaka, gia polles dekaeties eixan dhmarxo toy PASOK h ths eyryterhs legomenhs proodeytikhs paratajhs, den exoyn pleon kai, kyriws, exasan oi ypochfioi toy PASOK. Ayth h eikona, den blepw apo xqes to brady, apo th dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, apo osa eipan hgetika stelexh toy kommatos sas poy milhsan stis thleoraseis, alla akomh kai shmera to prwi, poy akoysa merikoys se radiofwnikoys staqmoys, den blepw na bgainei kanenas eyqarsws kai na leei "kyrioi xasame kai xasame dioti ena, dyo, tria, pente pragmata ftaine kai qa koitajoyme na ta diorqwsoyme". Qelw, loipon, na rwthsw eyqews: exase h oxi to PASOK kai ti ftaiei gi` ayto.

REPPAS: Qa apofygw na apanthsw gia th nikh ths Aytodioikhshs. Qa epanalabw oti oi prosdokies mas htan dikaiologhmenes kai pantote synarthmenes me tis metarryqmiseis poy prowqhsame. Oi prosdokies aytes den ikanopoihqhkan sto baqmo poy anamename. Qa kanw dyo sxolia, apantwntas sthn erwthsh sas: To prwto exei kai istorikh katagrafh. Gnwrizete oti o K. Karamanlhs eixe to '74 enan perifanh eklogiko qriambo kai omws oloi oi megaloi dhmoi elegxontan apo ypochfioys poy eixan ypodeixqei apo ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs. Fainetai pws yparxei mia diaqesh sto eklogiko swma na ejasfalisei mia ejisorrophsh twn ejoysiwn se diafora kentra dynamhs. Pisteyoyme oti h katagrafh twn politikwn sysxetismwn, opws ayth egine thn prwth Kyriakh, me tis analyseis kai tis anagwges poy ekanan eidikoi episthmones, pistopoiei oti h Kybernhsh ayth, sto meson ths qhteias ths, den exei ekeinh thn apwleia epirrohs, h opoia qa epetrepe se opoion thn antipoliteyetai na mila gia katarreysh ths Kybernhshs h gia enarjh ths antistrofhs metrhshs ths qhteias ths. Kaqe allo. To deytero sxolio: Milhsate gia thn kaloymenh, opws eipate, dhmokratikh synergasia h megalh dhmokratikh paratajh. Fainetai -kai apotypwqhke se apotelesmata aytwn twn eklogwn- pws den isxyei pleon h en pash periptwsei exei ypoxwrhsei aisqhta h logikh twn syggenwn xwrwn. Gnwrizoyme kai gnwrizete periptwseis dhmwn, opoy einai magikh eikona pleon, ayto poy eseis kaleite "dhmokratikh proodeytikh pleiochfia", doqentos oti ena tmhma ayths ths pleiochfias, otan kaleitai na epilejei metajy dyo proswpwn, dyo syndyasmwn, epilegei me krithria twn opoiwn o xarakthras den einai kai o pleon orqodojos. Kai ayto, dedomenoy oti oi epiloges aytes, se kapoies periptwseis -mias kai milame gia thn proodeytikh dhmokratikh pleiochfia, h opoia einai dedomenh kai katagrafetai kat` epanalhch se aytoys toys dhmoys- den exoyn kamia sxesh me politikes, ideologikes h programmatikes arxes. Einai, bebaiws, dhmokratiko dikaiwma, einai qemith h epilogh toy polith me bash, isws, tis topikes synqhkes (ta proswpa, ta programmata). Emeis, afoy qesate ayto to erwthma, epishmainoyme ayto to fainomeno.

MIXAHL: Giati, sas parajenece to gegonos ayto; Giati na einai dedomenh panta, gia paradeigma, h stash toy KKE apenanti stoys ypochfioys toy PASOK; Kai deyteron, giati den nomimopoieitai to kaqe komma, akomh kai me eteroklhtes h strathgikes arxes, an qelei, proskaira, kata thn ektimhsh toy, na exei politika ofelh, na kanei opoies symmaxies pisteyei ayto kai o laos, o opoios -opws eipe o k. Lakopoylos- einai o "anwtatos ajiologhths" na tis krinei; Kai ekrine oti etsi synergasthkan sthn Karditsa -an qelete na milame kaqara- kai xasate to dhmo, xasate th nomarxia.

REPPAS: Xairomai gia thn erwthsh sas, giati ta stoixeia ths moy dinoyn th dynatothta na apanthsw, xrhsimopoiwntas ayta akribws ta stoixeia.

MIXAHL: Poy einai to parajeno; Den to katalabainw;

REPPAS: Den eipa oti einai parajeno. Ejhghsa kai ermhneysa ti ennow, xrhsimopoiwntas ayth th frash. Pragmati, kaqe komma exei dikaiwma na kanei tis dikes toy epiloges. Oydeis amfisbhtei ayth thn ajia poy apotelei stoixeio ths dhmokratikhs leitoyrgias toy politeymatos mas. Alla kai kaqe allo komma, metajy twn opoiwn kai to diko mas, exei kai ayto to dikaiwma na askei kritikh kai na probainei se analoges epishmanseis. O agwnas ginetai epi isois orois. Kai h kritikh mporei na apeyqynetai apo opoiondhpote se opoiondhpote kai bebaiws den einai monodromos. Apo ekei kai pera eipate -kai ayto to stoixeio ths erwthshs sas mporw na to xrhsimopoihsw sthn apanthsh moy- oti kapoia kommata, epeidh epidiwkoyn kapoia proskaira ofelh mporei na kanoyn tetoies epiloges. Emeis pisteyoyme -kai twra milw gia th dikh mas qesh- oti den qa prepei na epidiwkoyme tis feygalees entypwseis h ta mikrokommatika ofelh. Qa prepei na epidiwkoyme thn proodo. Qa prepei, en prokeimenw, na diasfalisoyme th leitoyrgia twn newn qesmwn poy, mesw twn metarryqmisewn, exei eisagagei h Kybernhsh ston prwto baqmo Aytodioikhshs kai sth Nomarxiakh Aytodioikhsh. Kai, bebaiws, otan pisteyoyme oti, metajy twn allwn, h chfos mas exei kai enan politiko xarakthra gia ta megala eqnika kai koinwnika zhthmata ths xwras, qa prepei na staqmizoyme thn epilogh mas, lambanontas ypoch tis politikes, ideologikes h programmatikes qeseis, oi opoies ekfrazontai se topiko h perifereiako epipedo apo proswpa kai syndyasmoys. An ayth h arxh anatrepetai, mporei na pei kaneis oti dhmioyrgeitai mia sygxysh. Kai qa prepei ta idia ta kommata na apofasisoyn an qa eynohsoyn to fainomeno ayto ths sygxyshs. Epanalambanw, omws, oti oydeis einai dedomenos gia kapoion allon. An synebaine kati tetoio qa odhgoyse aytomata sthn apwleia ths aytonomias toy kaqe kommatos. Ola ta kommata einai isotima, exoyn ta idia dikaiwmata, alla kai tis idies ypoxrewseis. O ellhnikos laos einai aytos poy krinei telika th synepeia kai thn eilikrineia, me thn opoia ta kommata emplekontai amesws h emmesws stis diadikasies twn topikwn kai perifereiakwn eklogwn gia na anadeijoyn proswpa kai na prowqhsoyn thn efarmogh sygkekrimenwn programmatwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Sto idio qema: Sth Boylh otan chfizotan o "Kapodistrias" h N. D. kai to K. K. E apoxwrhsan. Tote den milhsate gia eteroklhtes symmaxies. Twra giati lete;

REPPAS: H erwthsh poia einai; Giati den milhsame tote gia eteroklhtes symmaxies; Giati miloyme twra gia eteroklhtes symmaxies;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Nai. Kai twra sas katachfizoyn gi' ayto to pragma, gia ton "Kapodistria".

REPPAS: Jerete, tote htan eteroklhth meiochfia, den htan eteroklhth pleiochfia. Kai opws gnwrizete sth Boylh thn pleiochfia th diaqetei h kybernhtikh paratajh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Symmaxies eipa, den eipa pleiochfies.

REPPAS: Akoyste, milhsa kai gia pleiochfies. Kai milhsa gia th synqesh twn pleiochfiwn. Eipa oti sto deytero gyro twn eklogwn apaiteitai mia pleiochfia apolyth, prokeimenoy na anadeixqei o nomarxhs h o dhmarxos. Osa eipa prin, apantwntas ston k. Mixahl, isxyoyn kai gia thn erwthsh poy qesate eseis. Kaqe komma kanei tis dikes toy epiloges, alla kai kaqe allo komma -metajy twn opoiwn kai to diko mas- mporei kai prepei na krinei aytes tis epiloges. Kai telikws, o ellhnikos laos einai aytos o opoios bgazei ta symperasmata toy. Emeis pisteyoyme pws oi allages aytes sto xwro ths Aytodioikhshs kinoyntai se qetikh kateyqynsh. Qa prepei oi neoi qesmoi na katoxyrwqoyn kai na leitoyrghsoyn, giati bohqoyn thn anaptyjh ths ellhnikhs perifereias. Sthn kateyqynsh ayth, pisteyoyme oti kinoyntai oi proodeytikes, opws exoyme synhqisei na tis apokaloyme, dynameis. Me ayth thn ennoia, logiko einai kai o xwros ths Aytodioikhshs na apotelei mia bash panw sthn opoia mporoyn na synanthqoyn oi dynameis aytes, prokeimenoy na ajiopoihsoyn toys neoys qesmoys.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, to pronomio twn symmaxiwn mono to PASOK to exei;

REPPAS: Kaqe komma epilegei tis symmaxies kai tis synergasies toy. Apla, to erwthma einai an oi synergasies kai oi symmaxies ginontai me bash kapoioys kanones kai arxes, me sygkekrimenes ideologikes kai politikes anagwges kai anafores h ginontai gia logoys oi opoioi ypakoyoyn sthn kontoqwrh politikh skopimothta. Kai en pash periptwsei gia logoys poy den antapokrinontai sthn ideologikh, politikh fysiognwmia kai taytothta twn kommatwn. Kaqe komma me tis epiloges poy kanei, prosdiorizei kai thn taytothta toy. Ayto einai, omws, kati, poy telika krinei o ellhnikos laos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: M` ayta poy lete shmera kai m` ayta poy eipan oi Ypoyrgoi xqes, den katalaba, to phre to mhnyma h Kybernhsh; Katalabate ti egine;

REPPAS: Th lejh "mhnyma" me ypeyqyno tropo th xrhsimopoihse o Prwqypoyrgos. Lypoymai, giati enw to mhnyma estalh pros oles tis politikes dynameis me polloys tropoys, oi alloi politikoi arxhgoi qewrhsan oti den toys afora, oti afora mono ton Prwqypoyrgo kai thn Kybernhsh mas. Kai kanw ayth thn antidiastolh: O k. Shmiths edeije eyaisqhsia, edeije antanaklastika kai edeije eqnikh kai koinwnikh eyqynh, giati milhse me th glwssa ths alhqeias, apedwse ta toy Kaisaros tw Kaisari kai anelabe o idios thn ypoxrewsh na antapokriqei stis prosdokies toy ellhnikoy laoy. Prosdokies oi opoies mas energopoioyn, mas kanoyn na enteinoyme thn prospaqeia mas. Qa antapokriqoyme s' aytes tis prosdokies. Lypoymai poy oi alles politikes dynameis qewrhsan oti den toys afora to mhnyma ayto toy ellhnikoy laoy -to opoio, epanalambanw, einai polyptyxo kai polypleyro- kai oti exoyn thn eykairia na panhgyrisoyn, xwris omws na gnwrizoyn ayth thn wra poios einai o logos ayths ths qriambologias toys, giati den prokyptei tetoios logos safhs kai apokrystallwmenos, apo ta eklogika apotelesmata. H Kybernhsh synexizei thn politikh ths, gia dyo akomh xronia, me dynamh, me sthrijh, me programmatikh hgemonia. Miloyme gia tis nomarxiakes kai dhmotikes ekloges kai mas diafeygei oti miloyme gia eklogikes diadikasies, tis opoies apofasise kai eishghqhke h Kybernhsh mas. Einai mia katakthsh gia ton topo. Gi' ayto milw peri programmatikhs hgemonias. Kai to 2000 pisteyoyme oti to plhres ergo ths Kybernhshs, oxi mono sto xwro ths Aytodioikhshs, qa ektimhqei apo ton ellhniko lao.

KACAMPELHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, gia na ginoyme kai ligo pio praktikoi, dyo pragmata qelw na sas rwthsw: To ena einai, o epimerismos twn eyqynwn gia to dysmenes -opws omologhqhke kai apo thn pleyra sas- apotelesma. Aytos o epimerismos afora to proswpo kai toy idioy toy Prwqypoyrgoy; Kai kata poio tropo qa ginei aytos o epimerismos; Kai deyteron, akoysa kai ton k. Pagkalo to Sabbato, o opoios ekane protash kai gia sygkybernhsh me ta alla kommata ths Aristeras. Kai hqela na rwthsw kai to ejhs, akoygontas ayta poy lete eseis gia tis symmaxies poy diamorfwqhkan: Sas apasxolei to qema, to kata poso h idia h politikh ths Kybernhshs wqhse toys polites, giati oi polites chfizoyn kai oxi mono oi hgesies twn kommatwn, poy einai deka-eikosi proswpa, to 27% ths Patras, ths Arkadias k. o. k. Sas apasxolei to an h polikh sas wqei h wqhse toys polites se mia sygkekrimenh kateyqynsh kontra s' ayto poy eseis lete kybernhtikh politikh; Kai ws ek toytoy yparxei prooptikh, yparxei skech na balete se mia programmatikh bash, se ena dialogo programmatiko ta qemata me to Synaspismo, to DH. KKI, to K. K. E. kai na egkataleicete toys aforismoys;

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola, ta eklogika apotelesmata -eipame, kat' epanalhch, oti qa analyqoyn, qa ektimhqoyn, qa bgaloyme ta symperasmata mas- oxi mono den mas afhnoyn adiaforoys, opws adiafora afhnoyn, opws fainetai, ta alla kommata ta opoia arkoyntai se asthriktoys panhgyrismoys, alla antiqeta mas apasxoloyn kai, bebaiws, qa ajiopoihsoyme to mhnyma poy periexoyn. H syzhthsh ayth me tis alles politikes dynameis, se mia koinh programmatikh bash, einai syzhthsh thn opoia exoyme epidiwjei, thn eynooyme kai thn epiqymoyme. Giati pisteyoyme oti h Ellada toy 2000, h isxyrh Ellada den einai h Ellada mias orismenhs pleiochfias politikwn dynamewn, einai olh h Ellada. Me ayth thn ennoia, pantote kai se oles tis baqmides, sthn Aytodioikhsh, sto Syndikalismo, se epipedo synergasias politikwn dynamewn, epiqymoyme kai eynooyme th symporeysh ekei poy einai dedomenh h sygklish kai h taytish twn qesewn. Oson afora, twra, th dhmioyrgia symmaxikwn kybernhsewn, me bash ta osa eipe o k. Pagkalos, sas qymizw oti apo th dekaetia toy 80 exoyn diatypwqei apoceis kai apo hgetika organa toy PASOK ekeinh thn periodo, apoceis oi opoies antidiesteilan thn koinoboyleytikh pleiochfia toy PASOK apo th dynatothta toy h thn epilogh na sxhmatisei kybernhsh se synergasia me alles proodeytikes dynameis. To ena den anairei to allo. Mporei na exeis diekdikhsei kai epityxei stis ekloges thn koinoboyleytikh pleiochfia kai taytoxrona na proxwreis se sxhmatismo mias kybernhshs, eyryterhs ths pleiochfias poy diaqeteis sto Koinoboylio. Einai ena qema poy den exei apasxolhsei, ej oswn gnwrizw, ayth thn wra thn hgesia mas, ta organa toy Kinhmatos. Apla kanw ayto to sxolio gia na apanthsw sto qema poy qesate. Oson afora, to prwto erwthma sas, s' aytes tis ekloges gnwrizete poly kala oti to antikeimeno to opoio ekrine o ellhnikos laos amesws kai eyqews einai sygkekrimeno: Einai oi ypochfioi oi opoioi kalesan ton ellhniko lao na dwsei s' aytoys thn chfo toy. Den htan ypochfios o Prwqypoyrgos h Proedros toy PASOK. Den htan ypochfia ta kommata h oi hgesies twn kommatwn. Para tayta den prepei na agnohqei oti kai oi politikes dynameis kai ta hgetika proswpa toy politikoy sterewmatos ths xwras exoyn rolo s' aytes tis diadikasies, eite sthn Perifereia poy eklegontai, eite logw ths qeshs kai ths aphxhshs toys se eqniko epipedo. Ayto einai kati to opoio qa ejetastei apo ta kybernhtika kai kommatika organa, toylaxiston ta dika mas -elpizw na to kanoyn ola ta kommata. Mporw omws, na kanw mia prwth proseggish, anaferomenos stis anagwges poy ekanan eidikoi episthmones kai analytes, basei twn opoiwn telikws, to PASOK paramenei h kentrikh politikh dynamh ths xwras, exei thn politikh kyriarxia, poly perissotero an lhfqei ypoch oti h krish pros thn Kybernhsh einai emmesh kai ek toy plagioy kai malista krish h opoia ekdhlwnetai sto meso ths qhteias ths, pragma to opoio dinei th dynatothta, kata th gnwmh mas, ston polith-eklogea na prosferei ston eayto toy mia polyteleia apostasiopoihshs ap' thn epilogh poy qa ekane, an eprokeito na epilejei ayth thn idia thn Kybernhsh toy topoy. H Kybernhsh qa chfistei to 2000. Sto meso ths qhteias ths, me dedomeno metajy twn allwn, to ergo ths Kybernhshs poy periexei polles tomes, polles anatropes stereotypwn dekaetiwn, mporei kaneis na anamenei thn ekfrash ayths ths dysareskeias, h opoia katagrafhke s' ena oriako mikro pososto -kai anaferomai stis analyseis kai tis anagwges poy ekanan oi episthmones- wste na epibebaiwnei toy logoy moy to alhqes, peri ths kyriarxias toy PASOK sto politiko sterewma ths xwras.

KACAMPELHS: Mia dieykrinish: Dhladh den symmerizeste, ap' o, ti katalabainw, thn apoch oti sthn politikh sas ofeiletai h eklogikh symperifora ths bashs, megaloy kommatioy ths bashs twn mikroterwn kommatwn; Kai deyteron, katalabainw oti kai an akoma yposteite ena antistoixo apotelesma stis eyrwekloges toy prosexoys Ioynioy, pali den qa sas enoxlhsei.

REPPAS: Emeis, eimaste mia Kybernhsh h opoia enoxleitai apo thn yparjh twn problhmatwn, oxi apo tis analyseis twn antipalwn mas, oi opoies einai kakopistes kai se megalo baqmo skhnoqethmenes. Ayto to opoio eipa kai epanalambanw -to eipe allwste epishmws kai egkyrws o idios o Prwqypoyrgos- einai pws polles pleyres ths politikhs mas einai metajy twn paragontwn poy ephreasan to apotelesma ayto. Ara kai to mhnyma pros thn Kybernhsh einai mhnyma poy afora pleyres ths politikhs mas. To eipame ayto. Alla ola ayta, qa moy epitrecete na pw, prepei na ta syzhthsoyme episthmonika kai meqodika, giati to mhnyma ayto einai antifatiko. Mporeite na deite se perioxes poy diabioyn ta legomena laika strwmata, to PASOK na exei poly ychla pososta kai taytoxrona na askeitai kritikh gia thn koinwnikh politikh poy exei h den exei h Kybernhsh toy PASOK, enw se alles periptwseis opoy exoyme plhqysmoys me allh synqesh, ta apotelesmata na einai diaforetika. Einai polysynqeto to fainomeno. Qa prepei na einai para poly prosektikh h analysh kai pantws den qa prepei na einai epipolaia kai biastikh, mono kai mono gia na kataskeyasoyme ena symperasma, to opoio qa dieykolynei toys panhgyrismoys mas. Emeis den epiqymoyme na panhgyrizoyme, emeis epiqymoyme na epitygxanoyme toys stoxoys mas gia na katasthsoyme isxyrh thn Ellada toy 21oy aiwna. Afhnoyme se alloys toys panhgyrismoys kai tis feygalees entypwseis. Epilegoyme gia ton eayto mas to dromo ths eyqynhs, poy einai o dromos ston opoio qa synanthqoyme me ton ellhniko lao kai pali to 2000.

KIAOS: Ta apotelesmata poy htan katwtera twn prosdokiwn sas, pws qa ta xarakthrizate; Ws endeijh dysforias, endeijh dysareskeias, endeijh apodokimasias h ti allo;

REPPAS: Oles aytes tis lejeis mporw na tis yioqethsw se megalo baqmo, giati otan ta apotelesmata einai katwtera twn prosdokiwn, shmainoyn kai ekfrash dysareskeias kai dysforias kai dysmeneias kai asfalws einai phgh gia problhmatismo.

KIAOS: Thn htta qa thn prosqetate;

REPPAS: An krinotan h Kybernhsh kai o ellhnikos laos apodokimaze thn Kybernhsh, qa mporoysame tote, xwris na xreiazontai analyseis, na bgaloyme symperasma. Den eklhqh o ellhnikos laos na chfisei yper h enantion ths Kybernhshs.

KIAOS: Den milhsa gi' ayto.

REPPAS: Kai den kaleitai o ellhnikos laos, oyte kan apo ekeinoys oi opoioi shmera paroysiasthkan ws qriambeytes. Qa synexisoyme adiatarakta thn poreia mas. H oikonomikh kai politikh staqerothta poy exoyme epityxei s' ayton ton topo, einai ena shmantiko pleonekthma poy exei h xwra mas se ena taragmeno dieqnes periballon. Kai ayto apotelei mia poly eynoikh bash, wste na oloklhrwsoyme me epityxia thn politikh mas.

KIAOS: Sta peri programmatikhs bashs gia syzhthsh kai sygklish klp., ayth h programmatikh syzhthsh h programmatikh syggeneia, opws eipate prohgoymenws, proshlqan h hgesia h alloi paragontes toy PASOK me thn hgesia twn allwn kommatwn sta opoia apeyqyneste, thn ebdomada poy perase, na ta broyn, na syzhthsoyn sth bash programmatikhs sygklishs; Egine tetoio pragma h oxi;

REPPAS: Prwt' ap' ola qa moy epitrecete na apofygw ton peirasmo na milhsw ek meroys toy kommatos. Den qa milhsw gia tis kommatikes prwtoboylies. Mporw omws -gia na mh qewrhqei oti apofeygw- na pw oti mporei na anaferei kaneis polles periptwseis, prosfates kai palaioteres, poy eixame synanthsh, synennohsh, antallagh apocewn kai synergasia kommatikwn dynamewn gia thn epiteyjh enos koinoy topoy, o opoios den einai tipota allo, para o gewmetrikos topos synanthshs twn programmatwn, twn idewn kai twn politikwn prwtoboyliwn.

KIAOS: Me poia kommata sygkekrimena;

REPPAS: Kyrie Kiao, gnwrizete oti exoyn analhfqei tetoies prwtoboylies. Den qa mpw se mia kommatologia...

KIAOS: Den einai kommatologia.

REPPAS: Pantote, apantw etsi an qelete, gia na yperkalycw thn agwnia sas poy ekfrazete me thn erwthsh sas: H protash ayth apo to PASOK ej oswn gnwrizw -giati eimai kai melos toy PASOK, den milw ws ekproswpos toy PASOK ayth thn wra- einai pantote anoixth, diarkhs kai epikairh, pros oles tis proodeytikes dynameis. Oles ekeines tis dynameis oi opoies emforoyntai apo antilhceis gia diaforoys tomeis ths eqnikhs kai koinwnikhs zwhs, gia thn Aytodioikhsh en prokeimenw, poy einai paremfereis me tis apoceis kai tis antilhceis poy exei epejergastei kai proballei to diko mas Kinhma.

KIAOS: Se poioys stoxoys sygkekrimena anafereste; Aytodioikhsh; Syndikalismo; Ston politiko tomea; Se poio;

REPPAS: Se oloys toys tomeis.

KIAOS: Kai sthn Kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Milhsa gia tis prwtoboylies twn kommatwn kai tis synennohseis twn kommatikwn dynamewn.

KIAOS: Anaferqhkate kai sth dekaetia toy '80, gia stelexh toy PASOK poy eixan apoceis gia kybernhseis synergasias en pash periptwsei. Eixe tetoies apoceis kai o shmerinos Prwqypoyrgos, o k. Shmiths;

REPPAS: Kyrie Kiao, eqese ena erwthma o k. Kacampelhs...

KIAOS: Sas erwtw kai egw twra.

REPPAS:... kai ypenqymisa oti ayth h syzhthsh den ginetai twra gia prwth fora. Eixe ginei kai sto parelqon, apo ta mesa ths dekaetias toy 1980, to 1985. Kat' epanalhch exoyn diatypwqei tetoies apoceis.

KIAOS: Eixe o k. Shmiths tetoia apoch;

REPPAS: Telikws, den telesforhse ena tetoio egxeirhma. Isws, den anelabe kapoios mia analogh prwtoboylia gi' ayto. Alla apoceis eixan diatypwqei. An qelete na kanoyme mia istorikh anafora stis apoceis twn diaforwn stelexwn, sas kalw na to apofygoyme giati einai piqano na kanoyme kai laqh kai na adikhsoyme kai proswpa, alla kyriws na adikhsoyme kai thn istoria. Ayto, loipon, den einai toy parontos.

KIAOS: O k. Shmiths einai diakekrimeno stelexos, einai o Prwqypoyrgos ths xwras kai den einai...

REPPAS: To gnwrizw.

KIAOS: Gi' ayto rwtw...

REPPAS: Kalo einai na to plhroforhqoyn kai alloi oi opoioi kanoyn h kamwnontai oti den to gnwrizoyn.

KIAOS: Sas erwtw: O k. Shmiths eixe paromoies apoceis h oxi;

REPPAS: Exw apanthsei s' ayta ta qemata.

KIAOS: O k. Shmiths milhse xqes kai gia elleich synoxhs kai syspeirwshs toy PASOK. Pws metafrazetai sthn prajh ayth h dhlwsh toy apo sas;

REPPAS: Eipa kai tis prohgoymenes hmeres, oti gia prwth fora eixame enan poly megalo ariqmo ypochfiothtwn kai oti to fainomeno ayto mporei kapoios na to xairethsei, ws energopoihsh stelexwn, topikwn paragontwn oi opoioi epiqymoyn na prosferoyn tis yphresies toys gia thn enisxysh twn newn qesmwn. Apo thn allh, omws, h yparjh pollwn ypochfiwn, poy epidiwkoyn thn antlhsh chfwn apo thn idia eklogikh dejamenh, einai ena fainomeno dhlwtiko ths diaspashs ths synoxhs h ths syspeirwshs twn dynamewn poy ekfrazontai politika apo to PASOK. Einai poly logiko ayto. Kai prepei na pw oti to fainomeno twn pollwn ypochfiothtwn qa deite oti to eixame stoys dhmoys, opoy fainotan oti mporoyme na ejasfalisoyme th nikh. Se dhmoys, opoy oi dynameis poy anhkoyn sto PASOK den fainotan oti mporei na epikrathsoyn, den eixame thn ekdhlwsh aytwn twn fainomenwn. Ara, loipon, exoyme th qetikh pleyra toy qematos, giati para polloi epiqymoyn na yphrethsoyn thn Topikh Aytodioikhsh kai katebhkan sto stibo prosferontas ton eayto toys sthn yphresia twn sympolitwn toys. Apo thn allh, eixame stis periptwseis aytes -enocei twn ejoysiwn poy exoyn, pleon, oi neoi dhmoi kai bebaiws h aireth Nomarxiakh Aytodioikhsh- thn ekdhlwsh endiaferontos apo para polloys topikoys paragontes, poy epediwkan thn antlhsh chfwn apo thn idia eklogikh dejamenh. Logiko einai ayto na odhgei se mia diaspora twn dynamewn, poy den einai o, ti kalytero se mia eklogikh anametrhsh.

KIAOS: Ti baqmo qa dinate, eseis, sth synoxh, sth syspeirwsh kai sth synennohsh metajy twn melwn ths Kybernhsews, metajy twn melwn ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs kai twn kentrikwn stelexwn;

REPPAS: Egw, gnwrizw, oti h Kybernhsh prowqei thn politikh ths. H Kybernhsh exei eishghqei kai exoyn chfistei nomoi sth Boylh, me thn koinoboyleytikh pleiochfia poy diaqetei. Den exei diataraxqei h proodos toy nomoqetikoy ergoy ths Kybernhshs alla bebaiws, apo thn allh, h eikona h opoia dhmioyrgeitai sthn koinh gnwmh apo tis antiparaqeseis twn stelexwn toy PASOK -kai den milw, pleon, gia thn Kybernhsh- einai mia eikona h opoia sygkalyptei, polles fores, thn ajia kai to nohma ths kybernhtikhs politikhs, apoprosanatolizei thn koinh gnwmh, dinei labh gia sxolia ta opoia den antapokrinontai sthn eyqynh poy diakrinei thn Kybernhsh kata thn askhsh twn kaqhkontwn ths kai bebaiws, adikei telika thn prospaqeia poy kanoyn o Prwqypoyrgos kai ta melh ths Kybernhshs gia ton eksygxronismo kai thn enisxysh ths xwras mas, prokeimenoy ton 21o aiwna h Ellada na exei epityxei mia poly kalyterh qesh sth dieqnh koinothta.

KIAOS: Me toys antartes, ti qa kanete;

REPPAS: H antimetwpish olwn aytwn twn problhmatwn gnwrizete, poly kala, oti syzhthqhke kata thn proeklogikh periodo sta kommatika organa. Qa syzhthqei kai pali sta kommatika organa. Sto telos toy mhnos exei problefqei sygklhsh ths K. E. toy Kinhmatos. Gi` ayto yparxoyn ta kommatika organa, gia na ginontai diaboyleyseis, na xarazontai apoceis, na ejagontai ta politika symperasmata kai na analambanontai oi analoges politikes prwtoboylies. Den exei oloklhrwqei ayth h diadikasia. Einai se ejelijh.

MPOYRDARAS: H prwth erwthsh moy einai, to gegonos oti apo to prwto brady kiolas toy prwtoy gyroy twn eklogwn o k. Shmiths milhse gia epimeroys pleyres ths politikhs, oi opoies dexqhkan kritikh apo thn chfo twn politwn. Kai sth synexeia kai eseis kai alla stelexh anaferqhkan sto idio qema, arneiste omws na peite poies einai aytes oi epimeroys pleyres, dedomenoy oti yphrjan gia epimeroys pleyres enstaseis apo to eswteriko ths Kybernhshs, apo to eswteriko toy kommatos, prin kiolas apo tis ekloges, na ypoqesoyme oti gi` aytes, peripoy, tis pleyres anafereste ths koinwnikhs politikhs h oxi; Kai h deyterh erwthsh einai, sxetika me to perifhmo qema ths politikhs hgemonias. Oxi politikos antipalos, oyte episthmwn, alla koryfaio stelexos toy PASOK, o k. Skandalidhs, eixe pei ena sygkekrimeno stoixeio, oson afora thn politikh hgemonia, nomizw amesws meta ton prwto gyro, oti den mporei kanenas na qesei ypo amfisbhthsh to an to kybernwn komma diaqetei h oxi thn politikh hgemonia, dioti, opws qa apodeixqei sto telos, h Kybernhsh qa "elegxei" perissoteres apo tis mises nomarxies. Twra, omws, blepoyme oti den exei perissoteres apo tis mises nomarxies. Mhpws mporoyme na symperanoyme me th logikh ayth oti exei apolesei sthn prajh... ;

REPPAS: Oson afora th deyterh erwthsh sas, den einai eykolo ayth thn wra, prin oloklhrwqei h diadikasia ejetashs twn apotelesmatwn, na bgaloyme ena asfales symperasma. Mporw na pw, omws, oti oydeis amfisbhtei ayth thn kyriarxia, thn hgemonia ths Kybernhshs h opoia synexizei to ergo ths, sto plaisio ths tetraetoys qhteias ths. Tetoio qema den qetei oydeis. Akomh ki ekeinoi, poy gia logoys toys opoioys oloi antilambaneste, logoys politikhs h mikrokommatikhs skopimothtas, fainetai na arnoyntai ayth thn kyriarxia ths Kybernhshs. Oson afora, twra, tis pleyres ths politikhs mas, eipa prin kati kai to epanalambanw. Einai poly synqeto to fainomeno. Kapoioi miloyn, to eipa ki egw, gia thn koinwnikh politikh. Ki omws exoyme dhmoys, poy katoikoyntai kyriws apo laikes tajeis, stoys opoioys oi dynameis poy yposthrixqhkan apo to PASOK epekrathsan apolytws. Ti shmainei ayto; Enw exoyme antifatika fainomena se alles perioxes, opoy h synqesh twn plhqysmwn einai diaforetikh. Gi` ayto milhsa gia ena polyploko fainomeno, to opoio ejelissetai se polla epipeda kai qa einai epipolaio apo thn pleyra mas na bgaloyme ena symperasma to opoio qa einai eite qrhnos, eite qriambos. Egw pisteyw oti to symperasma poy bgainei gia ola ta politika kommata -kai pantws, ayto einai to symperasma ths Kybernhshs- einai oti, xreiazetai eyqynh, xreiazetai synepeia, xreiazetai apofasistikothta, xreiazetai apotelesmatikothta sth diaxeirish kai thn antimetwpish twn kaqhmerinwn problhmatwn. Prepei na beltiwsoyme thn poiothta zwhs twn politwn. Emeis ws Kybernhsh exoyme ton kyrio rolo kai qa prepei na antapokriqoyme s` ayth thn apostolh mas. Alla, bebaiws, apo perioxh se perioxh, einai polloi oi paragontes poy epedrasan gia na exoyme ta sygkekrimena eklogika apotelesmata.

KARGOYDH: Hqela na epanelqw sto qema twn symmaxikwn kybernhsewn. Einai dyo koryfaia kybernhtika kai kommatika stelexh, o k. Tsoxatzopoylos kai proxqes o k. Pagkalos poy se diasthma enos mhnos, qetoyn qema dhmioyrgias symmaxikwn kybernhsewn. Eipate, prin, oti synolika thn Kybernhsh kai to komma den exei apasxolhsei ayto to zhthma. Hqela na rwthsw, akribws, me bash to politiko baros aytwn twn dyo stelexwn, mporoyme na ypoqesoyme oti yparxei mia ypo diamorfwsh tetoia tash sto PASOK;

REPPAS: Efoson teqoyn tetoia qemata sta organa sta opoia symmetexoyn -kai ta opoia exoyn to analogo baros, analogo me to baros twn stelexwn poy ta synqetoyn- qa lhfqoyn apofaseis. Alla, bebaiws, den einai dynato na ginei politikos dialogos stelexwn enos kommatos, di` aytoy toy tropoy. Mesw, dhladh, twn dhmosiwn anakoinwsewn kai dhlwsewn. Tetoio qema den exei teqei. Problhmatismoi yparxoyn edw kai arketa xronia. Milhsa gi` ayto. An teqei kai apasxolhsei tetoio qema ta organa toy PASOK, asfalws qa lhfqoyn analoges apofaseis.

KARGOYDH: Ypo to fws twn newn dedomenwn, dhladh twn eklogwn ths Topikhs Aytodioikhshs, mhpws h Kybernhsh antimetwpizei me megalyterh qermothta to endexomeno allaghs toy eklogikoy nomoy;

REPPAS: Den apasxolei thn Kybernhsh tetoio qema.

KAMPOYRGIANNH: Qa hqela na rwthsw, an h amblynsh twn kommatikwn grammwn kai aytes oi eteroklhtes symmaxies, dinoyn thn eikona enos PASOK apomonwmenoy kai anhmporoy na synacei koinwnikes kai politikes symmaxies.

REPPAS: To PASOK, diathrwntas thn kentrikh qesh sthn politikh zwh ths xwras, ekfrazei koinwnikes dynameis, apotelei ena politiko komma, to opoio ek twn pragmatwn exei ton kyriarxo rolo. To qema den einai an to PASOK kanei kales dhmosies sxeseis h an probainei se symbibasmoys, xwris periexomeno kai arxes, prokeimenoy na ginei aresto se alloys politikoys foreis. To qema einai, an to PASOK me thn programmatikh protash toy epitygxanei th sygklish kai allwn dynamewn sthn efarmogh toy sygkekrimenoy programmatos. Qewrhtika fainetai pws, se epipedo programmatikwn arxwn kai qesewn, kai alla kommata briskontai poly konta sto PASOK kai pantws se poly megalyterh apostash apo th N. D. Ayto, bebaiws, den katagrafetai sta eklogika apotelesmata. Einai ena fainomeno to opoio to epishmainw. Apo ekei kai pera, den tiqetai qema oyte apomonwshs, oyte syntrofias. O ellhnikos laos se kaqe komma dinei th qesh poy ekeinos epiqymei. Alla th qesh poy edwse to ' 96, qa thn epanajiologhsei to 2000. Ayth thn wra, o ellhnikos laos epeleje metajy sygkekrimenwn ypochfiwn, poy th deyterh Kyriakh htan dyo kai mono dyo se kaqe periptwsh, se kaqe nomarxia kai se kaqe dhmo. Kai ekane aytes tis epiloges.

KACAMPELHS: Qelw na epanelqw sthn apanthsh poy dwsate ston k. Kiao, gia ta eswkommatika. Qelete na peite, dhladh, oti an yphrxe h an yparjei, apo edw kai pera, apolyth siwph sto eswteriko toy kybernwntos kommatos, dedomenoy oti to nomoqetiko ergo ths Kybernhshs apo kanenan den exei empodistei, ta pragmata qa phgainan kalytera h qa pane kalytera, apo edw kai pera;

REPPAS: To qema ths kommatikhs synoxhs h ths safhneias twn politikwn mhnymatwn, einai shmantiko. Idiaiterws sthn epoxh ths epikoinwnias, ths plhqwras twn mhnymatwn, ayto den prepei na to ypotimate. Bebaiws, omws, to pososto ths symbolhs aytoy toy paragonta sthn ejagwgh aytwn twn apotelesmatwn, einai kati poy ayth thn wra den mporei kaneis na to prosdiorisei. Qa htan prokateilhmmenos kapoios an apedide, me pososta kiolas, thn eyqynh stoys diaforoys paragontes, oi opoioi synebalan, wste na exoyme ayto to eklogiko apotelesma. Einai kati, omws, to opoio apotelei mia pragmatikothta. Qa moy epitrecete na pw oti odhgei se mia ypoxwrhsh h xalarwsh toy legomenoy kommatikoy fainomenoy. Ayto to eidame se polles periptwseis stis perifereiakes kai topikes ekloges. Einai, isws, oi nees synqhkes stis opoies qa prepei ta kommata na anaptyjoyn th drash toys. Shmera, h sxesh twn kommatwn me toys polites den exei ekeinoys toys isxyroys, ajiopistoys desmoys poy yphrxan prin apo kapoia xronia. Ara, to stoixhma gia ola ta kommata, gia thn politikh, einai na kerdisei kai pali ayth thn isxyrh kai ajiopisth sxesh me thn koinwnia kai toys polites. Gi` ayto milhsa gia mhnyma pros oles tis politikes dynameis, apo thn prwth, alla kai th deyterh Kyriakh. Yparxoyn ta fainomena ths apoxhs kai ths epiloghs ypochfiwn me krithria poy apexoyn para poly apo to na mporei kapoios na pei oti einai krithria arxwn kai ajiwn. Ola ayta qa prepei na apotelesoyn, metajy kai twn allwn stoixeiwn poy ejetazoyme kai ereynoyme, shmeia ta opoia qa mas problhmatisoyn, prokeimenoy na enisxysoyme th sxesh ayth, toy dikoy mas kommatos me toys polites.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Thn prohgoymenh ebdomada, polloi Ypoyrgoi, o Ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Oikonomias k. a. yposxeqhkan fqhna aytokinhta, meiwsh twn timologiwn twn DEKO, fqhno petrelaio. Mexri kai akalyptes epitages moirasthkan. Isxyoyn ayta, meta th xqesinh syntribh;

REPPAS: Ayto to opoio isxyei meta kai ta xqesina apotelesmata, einai h akalypth epitagh me thn opoia kykloforei h N. D. Akalypth epitagh, h opoia anagrafei "empistosynh ths megalhs pleiochfias toy ellhnikoy laoy". Telika, omws, den exei antikrysma ayth h anagrafh. M` ayth thn ennoia, h monh akalypth epitagh poy kykloforei, kykloforei apo th N. D. kai xrhsimopoieitai pantiotropws. H Kybernhsh, to eipa edw kai arketo kairo, synexizei adiatarakta to ergo ths. Den perispatai, giati to eqniko stoixhma einai ayto poy prepei na epityxoyme kai oxi bebaiws, na apostasiopoihqoyme apo tis orqes megales epiloges poy exoyme kanei gia na ikanopoihsoyme toys chfoforoys h toys plhqysmoys se mia perioxh ths xwras, oi opoioi me bash topikes synqhkes h idiaitera krithria, ekanan thn epilogh toys. Oson afora ayto poy eseis onomasate ejaggelies, den einai tipote allo para h synexish toy ergoy ths Kybernhshs. Kai h synexish toy ergoy ths Kybernhshs odhghse sto na proxwrhsoyme s` aytes tis apofaseis, sto na anaggeiloyme taytoxrona poies qa einai oi periorismenes, pantws, ayjhseis poy qa doqoyn sto plaisio ths eisodhmatikhs politikhs kai na syzhtoyme kai gia ton proypologismo, poy kaqe allo para dhmofiles qema einai. Emeis, ws ypeyqynh Kybernhsh, synexizoyme th doyleia mas. Miloyme, loipon, gia th meiwsh twn forwn, miloyme gia tis ayjhseis poy dinoyme kai gnwrizete oti ayta poy eseis apomonwnete ws stoixeia gia na apodeijete, dhqen, me toys isxyrismoys sas thn prospaqeia ths Kybernhshs na lehlathsei chfoys, mporei kapoios na ta antiparelqei, legontas oti h Kybernhsh ekane kai prajeis h proebh se anakoinwseis, oi opoies kaqe allo para dhmofilh thn ekanan. Ayto, akribws, deixnei oti den epidiwkoyme tis feygalees entypwseis, gia tis opoies milhsa kat` epanalhch. Epidiwkoyme na eimaste ypeyqynoi kai apotelesmatikoi sto ergo poy mas empisteyqhke o ellhnikos laos.

Sas eyxaristw.


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