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Greek Government Press Briefing, 98-10-15

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 15 Oktwbrioy 1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

* Shmera episkeptetai thn Ellada kai qa synanthqei me ton Prwqypoyrgo o Kagkelarios ths Aystrias k. Klima. H synanthsh qa ginei stis 15.30. Ypologizetai na diarkesei peripoy mia wra. Amesws meta oi dyo hgetes qa kanoyn dhlwseis. H episkech ayth entassetai sto plaisio twn episkecewn kai ths proergasias gia th Synodo Koryfhs. Opws gnwrizete, h Aystria askei thn proedria ths E. E. ayth thn periodo.

* Me aformh dhmosieymata poy exoyn sxesh me thn aporrofhtikothta twn koinotikwn kondyliwn, qa moy epitrecete na kanw ena sxolio.

H Ellada thn teleytaia periodo anakta to xameno edafos. H aporrofhtikothta twn koinotikwn kondyliwn kineitai me taxyteroys ryqmoys kai pantws panw apo to meso koinotiko oro. H ergasia h opoia ginetai, me thn efarmogh twn politikwn kai th xrhsimopoihsh aytwn twn kondyliwn, einai kai poiotikws para poly kalh, opws anagnwrizoyn oi yphresies ths E. E. Exoyme dianysei mia shmantikh apostash apo tote poy jekinhse h efarmogh toy Deyteroy Koinotikoy Plaisioy. Eimaste para poly konta stoys stoxoys mas. Epishmainw oti ta pososta ta opoia anaferontai gia thn aporrofhsh twn kondyliwn se diaforoys tomeis, exoyn xroniko orizonta toys prwtoys ennea mhnes toy etoys. To lew ayto, giati to teleytaio trimhno kaqe etoys synhqws ayjanetai katakoryfa to pososto ths aporrofhshs. Einai opisqobarh, opws onomazontai, ta programmata ayta. Arkei na anaferw oti gia to 1997, stoys prwtoys ennea mhnes eixe aporrofhqei to 26% twn koinotikwn porwn poy aporrofhqhkan synolika mesa sto 1997. Dhladh, to ypoloipo peripoy 75% aporrofhqhke kata to teleytaio trimhno toy prohgoymenoy etoys. Ayto prodiagrafei kai thn poreia, oson afora thn aporrofhsh twn koinotikwn kondyliwn, gia to 1998. Mexri to telos toy xronoy ypologizoyme oti ta pososta ayta qa einai para poly ychla kai pantws qa kinoyntai se epipeda poly panw apo to meso koinotiko oro. Gi` ayta ta qemata exw leptomerh ariqmhtika stoixeia sth diaqesh sas, opws bebaia kai to armodio Ypoyrgeio. An qelete qa epanelqw.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H armodia Epitropos den ta gnwrizei ayta ta stoixeia; Den ta exete dwsei sthn armodia Epitropo;

REPPAS: H armodia Epitropos, opws kai oi yphresies, ta gnwrizei ayta ta stoixeia. H armodia Epitropos eixe episkefqei thn Ellada sto telos toy Ioylioy poy perase. Otan epestrece stis Bryjelles, eixe ekdwsei sxetiko Deltio Typoy, toy opoioy mia anepishmh metafrash exw sth diaqesh sas, opoy metajy twn allwn ginetai logos gia thn poly shmantikh proodo poy shmeiwqhke sthn Ellada. Opws epishs, anaferetai kathgorhmatika sthn katalhjh ayths ths anakoinwshs ayto poy ki egw eipa: oti o ellhnikos ryqmos aporrofhshs twn porwn twn koinotikwn diarqrwtikwn tameiwn einai twra ychloteros apo to meso oro olwn twn kratwn-melwn ths E. E. Kai prepei na pw, epanerxomenos sto qema ayto, oti prepei na anamenete ki eseis na oloklhrwqei to oikonomiko etos, prokeimenoy na bgalete to teliko symperasma gia to pososto aporrofhtikothtas. H apanthsh ayth proklhqhke, meta apo mia erwthsh poy katateqhke. Kapoios poy gnwrizei ta qemata, ejypna poiwn, an qelei na ekmaieysei mia apanthsh poy dhmioyrgei tis analoges entypwseis, mporei na kataqesei thn erwthsh ayth th xronikh stigmh. Giati gnwrizei oti to teleytaio trimhno exoyme mia katakoryfh ayjhsh ths aporrofhtikothtas. Sas lew oti mexri to telos toy trexontos etoys to synolo twn eisrown apo thn E. E. anamenetai na anelqei se pososto 63,8% twn synolikwn porwn poy dikaioytai h Ellada -sygkekrimena se 8.893 MECU- kai epishs se pososto 83,6% twn arxikws problefqhswn desmeysewn gia thn periodo 1994-1998. Eimaste se poly ychloys ryqmoys kai pantws -afoy einai sth diaqesh sas ta stoixeia ayta, mporeite na ta melethsete kai na bgalete symperasma- eimaste poly konta stoys stoxoys poy exoyme qesei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, h armodia Epitropos poy apanthse proxqes sto Eyrwpaiko Koinoboylio, den ta gnwrize ayta ta stoixeia; Xwris to "anamenete ws to telos toy etoys". Ta kanonika stoixeia ti lene;

REPPAS: Ta gnwrize ta stoixeia. Ta stoixeia ayta einai pragmatika. Sas eipa, omws, oti prepei na ta ektimhsete, entassontas kai ajiologwntas ta stoixeia ayta se ena plaisio to opoio exei sxesh me thn idiomorfia twn ryqmwn me toys opoioys kineitai h aporrofhsh twn koinotikwn kondyliwn. Anefera sygkekrimena paradeigmata. Milhsa gia to 1997 kai epishs ekana mneia ths dhlwshs poy egine ek meroys ths Epitropoy, meta thn episkech ths sthn Ellada. H anakoinwsh ekeinhs ths periodoy einai poly apokalyptikh gia thn ikanopoihsh poy ekfrazetai apo thn Koinothta, oson afora thn ikanothta ths Elladas na kerdisei to xameno edafos ki etsi na proxwrhsei ston tomea ayto me poly ikanopoihtikes epidoseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Allo rwtaw egw, allo apantate.

REPPAS: Allh erwthsh qelete na ypobalete, kyrie Stamatopoyle;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ma, rwtaw egw: H Epitropos den ta gnwrize; Den jerei na kanei ektimhseis ayth ki ekane laqos; Ekane laqos;

REPPAS: Ayto to opoio anaferw ws Deltio Typoy ths Epitropoy, apodidei th qesh ths Epitropoy. Einai sth diaqesh sas kai leei ayta ta opoia sas eipa. Apo kei kai pera kai ayta ta stoixeia einai pragmatika. Qa perimenete, omws, na oloklhrwqei to 1998 gia na bgalete to teliko symperasma, doqentos oti to teleytaio trimhno kaqe xronoy -to idio synebh kai ta prohgoymena xronia- exoyme mia katakoryfh ayjhsh toy ryqmoy, oson afora thn aporrofhtikothta koinotikwn kondyliwn. Kai eipa oti kapoios o opoios gnwrizei ta qemata, ejypna poiwn, gia na dhmioyrghsei entypwseis, mporei na prokalesei me erwthsh toy mia apanthsh, ayth akribws thn periodo. Qa perimenoyme sto telos toy xronoy -kai eseis na analabete thn prwtoboylia na epanaferete to qema- na ektimhsoyme poia qa einai h aporrofhtikothta.

MOYRTZHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h sterhsh -ana Ypoyrgeia ennow- poy paroysiazetai; Giati h etaireia h opoia einai epifortismenh apo to Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Oikonomias na kanei tis sxetikes ekqeseis, eixe diaforetikh apoch.

REPPAS: Miloyme me bash ta epishma stoixeia, ta opoia diaqetoyn oi ellhnikes arxes kai ta stoixeia ta opoia xrhsimopoiei h E. E., oi armodies yphresies ths, prokeimenoy na ektimhsoyn to ryqmo me ton opoio proxwraei h aporrofhsh twn koinotikwn kondyliwn. Ayta einai ta ajiopista stoixeia, ta opoia xrhsimopoioyme gia tis analyseis kai thn ejagwgh twn symperasmatwn.

KIAOS: Exoyn perasei tosoi mhnes kai den mas exete plhroforhsei, ws armodios Ypoyrgos poy eiste, poios exei tis metoxes toy Alafoyzoy poy poylhqhkan;

REPPAS: Sas exw parapemcei kat` epanalhch stis armodies yphresies. Exei katateqei metoxologio sthn armodia dieyqynsh.

KIAOS: Den eiste ypoxrewmenoi, ws armodia arxh na gnwrizete;

REPPAS: H armodia Dieyqynsh Epopteias, gnwrizw oti exei sth diaqesh ths stoixeia, oson afora th metoxikh synqesh toy kefalaioy, twn epixeirhsewn poy drasthriopoioyntai sto xwro ths enhmerwshs.

KIAOS: Dhladh, einai onomastikes oi metoxes;

REPPAS: Bebaiws, yparxei pinakas poy exei apostalei kai sthn yphresia mas kai anaferetai h diakinhsh twn metoxwn aytwn sto Xrhmatisthrio kai oi katoxoi toys. O pinakas aytos enhmerwnetai me bash tis isxyoyses diatajeis.

KIAOS: Einai enhmerwmenh h yphresia kai einai pragmati onomastikes, sygkekrimena, oi metoxes se ola ta radiothleoptika mesa kai se oles tis efhmerides;

REPPAS: Einai, bebaiws. Kai parakalw, epeidh exei ena endiaferon ayto to qema, to antilambanomai k. Kiao, sas lew oti exete ki eseis amesh prosbash. Parakalw na apeyqyneste sthn armodia dieyqynsh, efoson exei ena idiaitero endiaferon gia sas to qema, oxi proswpika gia sas, genika gia esas, ara, gia thn koinh gnwmh kai qa exete ayta ta stoixeia. Yparxoyn ayta ta stoixeia sth Dieyqynsh Epopteias.

FILHS: Shmera, diabazoyme stis efhmerides plhrofories, alla den einai epishmes, einai anepishmes, sxetika me thn katartish toy proypologismoy. Telika, poio senario prokrinei h Kybernhsh; To senario toy k. Papantwnioy h ths kas Papandreoy;

REPPAS: Den yparxoyn polla senaria. To senario ths Kybernhshs einai ena. Einai to senario to opoio exei eytyxh katalhjh, thn entajh ths xwras mas sthn ONE. Ayth thn periodo ginontai oi syzhthseis gia thn katartish toy proypologismoy. Den exoyn oloklhrwqei aytes oi synennohseis. Qa anamenete, loipon, prokeimenoy na krinete ek toy apotelesmatos, thn poiothta ths doyleias poy ginetai ayth thn periodo.

FILHS: Den sas rwthsa poio einai to "xapi ent".

REPPAS: Gia senaria milhsate. Eipa oti qa yparjei eytyxhs katalhjh sto senario. Eseis, bebaiws, qelete senaria, xwris eytyxh katalhjh apo thn pleyra ths Kybernhshs.

FILHS: H erwthsh poy kanw, einai h ejhs: Epeidh oloi gnwrizoyme, dhmosiws exei katateqei mia diaforetikh apoch ths kas Papandreoy, se sxesh me ta osa exei pei o k. Papantwnioy. H Kybernhsh, xqes, sth syskech poy egine, katelhje ep` ayths ths diaforetikhs apochs;

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola, den yparxei diaforetikh apoch, oson afora thn askoymenh oikonomikh politikh. Yparxoyn apoceis oi opoies diatypwnontai, prokeimenoy me thn ajiopoihsh twn apocewn aytwn, twn idewn, twn protasewn, twn qesewn, na epityxoyme toys stoxoys poy exoyme qesei kai ginontai koina apodektoi. Gnwrizete oti sto plaisio synedriashs twn organwn, logiko einai na ekfrazontai diafores apoceis. Ayto den synista aytomatws kai diafwnia h diafora h opoia na periexei ki enan allo prosanatolismo. Kaqe allo. Einai koinos o prosanatolismos. H oikonomikh politikh einai symfwnhmenh, mas desmeyei kai mas ekfrazei oloys. Apo ekei kai pera, logiko einai, sto plaisio synedriashs organwn, na ekfrazontai diafores apoceis gia to idio plaisio, gia thn idia politikh. Ola ayta syzhtoyntai ayth thn periodo. Gnwrizete poly kala, omws, oti mexri to telos toy xronoy, qa exoyme epityxei kai to stoxo toy elleimmatos, opws akribws ton exoyme ejaggeilei. Apomenei, pleon, na epityxoyme to stoxo, oson afora to megeqos toys plhqwrismoy. Pisteyoyme oti ki ayto qa to epityxoyme. Ginontai diorqwtikes kinhseis s` ayth thn kateyqynsh kai elpizw oti to apotelesma qa einai ayto poy prodiegraca sthn arxh.

FILHS: Sygxwreste me poy epimenw. Xqes, yphrje katalhjh gia th diaforetikh apoch, gia th diaforetikh proseggish, opws qelete peste to, gia thn protash ths kas Papandreoy;

REPPAS: Den yparxei, ayth thn wra, tipota pros anakoinwsh. Den yparxei kamia katalhjh. Katalhjh qa yparxei otan anakoinwqei ston ellhniko lao to keimeno toy proypologismoy. Ayth thn wra eimaste -to eipa, allwste, prin- sthn periodo twn diaboyleysewn, twn synergasiwn, twn synennohsewn. Synedriazoyn ta kybernhtika organa kai analogws lambanontai apofaseis. Gnwrizete poly kala oti ayrio to prwi, fer` eipein, o k. Papantwnioy qa ginei dektos apo ton Prwqypoyrgo kai qa syzhthsoyn ta qemata ths oikonomikhs politikhs.

MIXAHL: Xqes, oi efhmerides dhmosieysan tis ektimhseis toy k. Aygerinoy, mia synolikh ektimhsh, mallon, twn apotelesmatwn twn dhmotikwn eklogwn, me thn epejergasia poy ekane stis perioxes, opoy to PASOK katebainei plhrws aytonoma, xwris kamia synergasia. Kai fanhkan kapoia apotelesmata. Eseis eipate, sth xqesinh enhmerwsh, oti einai realistikes oi ektimhseis aytes toy k. Aygerinoy. Qelw na sas rwthsw, an gia thn Kybernhsh yparxei qema meleths toy eklogikoy nomoy.

REPPAS: Den exei teqei tetoio qema kai den mas apasxolei tetoio qema.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, giati o ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs den epetrece xqes na thrhqei to prwtokollo paradoshs kai paralabhs apo thn hgesia ths EL. AS. ;

REPPAS: Den einai qema apagoreyshs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pws den einai;

REPPAS: Apla kriqhke, oti ayth thn periodo, den qa prepei na ginei mia tetoia teleth, h opoia isws kai na qewreito oti emperieixe stoixeia proklhshs, doqentos oti kata kyrio logo h EL. AS. me th nea hgesia ths, kai bebaiws h politikh hgesia toy ypoyrgeioy Dhmosias Tajhs epididontai sthn anasthlwsh toy gohtroy kai thn anasygkrothsh ths EL. AS., prokeimenoy na ginei pio apotelesmatikh kai na antapokriqei sthn apostolh ths.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poia qa htan h proklhsh, dhladh; H paralabh kai h paradosh einai proklhsh;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti sto plaisio aytwn twn ekdhlwsewn yparxei mia typikothta kai pantote filofrones logoi. Kriqhke oti ayth thn wra den eprepe na epidoqoyme se "panhgyria", an qelete -xwris na meiwnw kaqoloy thn ajia aytwn twn teletwn. Qa eprepe na koitajoyme poly perissotero, poly pio ypeyqyna to oysiastiko ergo poy prepei na epitelesei h Ellhnikh Astynomia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, katargeitai ayth h diadikasia, kyrie Ypoyrge;

REPPAS: Oydeis eipe kati tetoio. Ayto poy prepei na antimetwpisqei einai h anapotelesmatikothta poy epideiknyetai, polles fores, apo tis Yphresies toy Dhmosioy kai thn EL. AS., wste na antapokriqoyn sto ergo toys, pragma to opoio epiqymei o ellhnikos laos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ti enoxlei twra, mporeite na moy peite;

REPPAS: Apanthsa se ayto, k. Stamatopoyle.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ti enoxlei thn Kybernhsh twra, mporeite na moy peite;

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh den enoxleitai, den exei logoys na enoxleitai. Alloi enoxloyntai apo to oti den enoxleitai h Kybernhsh, alla ayto pali den enoxlei thn Kybernhsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Afoy den thn enoxlei thn Kybernhsh...

REPPAS: Apanthsa, k. Stamatopoyle, s` ayto. Enoxlei esas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Emena den me enoxlei.

REPPAS: Ma, ekfrasate thn enoxlhsh sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oxi, epeidh qa "ta erixne" o prwhn Arxhgos, gi` ayto den thn kanate. REPPAS: Kaqe allo. O prwhn Arxhgos, gnwrizete poly kala, oti exei thn idiothta toy epi timh Arxhgoy ths EL. AS. kai exei anagnwristei to shmantiko ergo poy prosefere sthn EL. AS. Kai bebaiws, milhse me th glwssa ths alhqeias kai ths eyqynhs monos toy kai ayto anagnwrizetai kai pistwnetai ston k. Basilopoylo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den ton afhsate na milhsei.

REPPAS: Den eixame kanena tetoio logo. Giati o k. Basilopoylos, milhse. Kai milhse dhmosia sta MME gia ena krisimo qema kai ejefrase tis apoceis toy. Kai gnwrizete poly kala poies apoceis ejefrase, gia tis opoies den exoyme kamia antirrhsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gnwrizate thn omilia toy kai den ton afhsate.

REPPAS: Adikeite ton k. Basilopoylo, giati exei deijei metro eyqynhs aristo, wste na mhn epitrepetai se opoiondhpote na yponoei oti qa ypakoye se kapoioys periorismoys, wste na mhn kanei ayto to opoio pisteye oti eprepe na kanei.

SOYRMELH: Me ayta poy mas eipate -prokyptei kata th gnwmh moy bebaia -mporei na kanw laqos, peste moy an kanw laqos- oti eseis symfwneite me thn apoch toy k. Basilopoyloy. Lete oti "emeis den exoyme kamia antirrhsh". Eipate pio prin oti "einai epi timh kai oti anagnwrizetai to shmantiko ergo poy exei epitelesei". Ayto mporei na mas odhghsei sthn skech oti prokeitai h Kybernhsh na probei sth dialysh twn EKAM; Na kanei kapoia allh dieyqethsh;

REPPAS: Eipa oti o k. Basilopoylos ejefrase tis apoceis toy gia ena krisimo qema. Kai milw gia th sygkekrimenh astynomikh epixeirhsh. Ayto einai to krisimo qema sto opoio anaferomai. Apo kei kai pera, oson afora to zhthma poy qetete gia th dialysh twn EKAM, einai ena zhthma to opoio, plhroforoymaste apo dhmosieymata, oti eprokeito na to qesei o k. Basilopoylos. Gia thn alhqeia twn pragmatwn, prepei na pw oti tetoio qema oydepote eqese, oso yphretoyse ws Arxhgos ths EL. AS., o k. Basilopoylos. Plhroforoymai apo ta dhmosieymata oti twra qa diatypwne, an miloyse, mia tetoia skech. Den gnwrizw an ayto antapokrinetai stis proqeseis toy, an einai alhqino, giati thn plhroforhsh thn exw ki egw apo ta sxetika dhmosieymata. Alla, parallhla, kanw ayth th symplhrwsh, oti oydepote eqese tetoio qema.

FILHS: Na rwthsw: Prwton, an yparxei to porisma sxetika me tis synqhkes gia to aimathro makeleio ths odoy Niobhs. Deyteron, ean yparxei kapoio apotelesma twn dikastikwn ereynwn sxetika me tis mysthriwdeis synqhkes toy qanatoy toy Sorin Matei kai giati -an yparxei porisma- o k. Giannopoylos, xqes, zhthse na yparjei prokatarktikh ereyna kata thn opoia na ereynhqoyn oi synqhkes toy qanatoy, otan o idios isxyrizotan oti den yparxei kamia eyqynh ths Astynomias, prin apo liges hmeres. Kai h allh erwthsh poy den exei amigws politiko xarakthra, alla exei kai politiko xarakthra: H oikogeneia ths atyxhs kopelas me mia boybh ajioprepeia antimetwpise th moiraia gia th zwh ths Amalias Gkinakh ekbash. H Astynomia, h opoia exei kapoio baqmo eyqynhs, se kaqe periptwsh, gi` ayth thn ejelijh, den aisqanqhke thn anagkh xqes na ekfrasei me kapoio tropo, estw me entos leptoy sigh, th symmetoxh ths sto penqos ths oikogeneias kai sta aisqhmata ths koinhs gnwmhs;

REPPAS: Oson afora thn prwth erwthsh, den exoyn oloklhrwqei oi ereynes, den exei ekdoqei porisma, den yparxei tipota newtero gia to qema ayto. To mono poy yparxei, einai h qesh mas na lamcei h alhqeia, h epiqymia mas na xyqei apleto fws se oles tis ptyxes, ayths ths anepityxoys epixeirhshs. Oson afora to deytero skelos, dexomai -kai ekfrazw gia mia akomh fora th lyph moy, gia th moiraia katalhjh- oti einai pragmatika ajioprepestath h stash twn syggenwn ths atyxhs neas. To kratos, to ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs kai h Astynomia exoyn synaisqhsh ths eyqynhs kai toy xreoys toys. H khdeia egine dhmosia dapanh. Den xreiazetai na pw perissotera twra, isws den to plhroforhqhkate. Sas plhroforw oti etsi egine. Den eixame kanena logo na proboyme se idiaiteres anakoinwseis, giati qelame ki emeis na kinhqoyme sto idio klima. Epishs, prepei na sas pw oti kai alla exoyn apofasistei, san ena elaxisto metro, prokeimenoy na deijoyme th symparastash mas stoys syggeneis, na staqoyme sto pleyro toys, empraktws. Alla ayta den einai pros anakoinwsh, giati prepei na meinoyme se ayth th boybh antimetwpish toy qematos, poy deixnei eyqynh, synaisqhsh kai ajioprepeia.

Sas eyxaristw.


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