Greek Government Press Briefing, 98-10-12

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 12 Oktwbrioy 1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TO GENIKO GRAMMATEA EMHMERWSHS GIANNH NIKOLAOY

Geia sas kai kalh ebdomada. Opws jerete, o k. Reppas brisketai me thn apostolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, sthn Attaleia ki etsi qa eimaste mazi shmera. Osa qa symboyn ekei kai tis dhlwseis poy qa ginoyn, yparxei megalh dhmosiografikh apostolh kai qa ta plhroforhqoyme apo toys synadelfoys sas poy qa kalycoyn ayta ta qemata.

LEONTOPOYLOS: Me ton Toyrko Prwqypoyrgo, o k. Shmiths, shmera, qa synanthqei h ayrio;

NIKOLAOY: Gia ta qemata ths Attaleias, qa sas parakalesw na afhsoyme thn enhmerwsh stoys ekei.

* Qa hqela na kanw ena sxolio se o, ti afora tis xqesines nomarxiakes kai dhmotikes ekloges:

Qa prepei, kat` arxhn, na qymisoyme oti, xqes, me tis nomarxiakes kai dhmotikes ekloges oloklhrwqhkan oi dyo megales qesmikes allages, poy h Kybernhsh toy PASOK ylopoihse. H prwth htan h oloklhrwsh kai enisxysh toy qesmoy ths nomarxiakhs aytodioikhshs kai h deyterh htan oi ryqmiseis poy emperiexontai sto sxedio "Iwannhs Kapodistrias".

To deytero poy prepei na pei kaneis einai oti oi ekloges, para ta problhmata poy yphrxan se orismenes perioxes kata thn efarmogh toy sxedioy "Iwannhs Kapodistrias", diejhxqhsan omala, me elaxistes ejaireseis poy omws epibebaiwnoyn ton kanona. Htan omalh h eklogikh diadikasia kai omalh h efarmogh twn ryqmisewn toy sxedioy "Iwannhs Kapodistrias".

Stis ekloges aytes den eteqh se krish h poreia ths Kybernhshs. H poreia kai to ergo ths Kybernhshs, opws polles fores exoyme epishmanei, qa kriqoyn sto telos ths tetraetias, stis eqnikes ekloges toy 2000. H Kybernhsh qa kriqei gia to ergo ths, tote. Shmera briskomaste sto meson ths tetraetias kai h Kybernhsh ylopoiei to programma poy paroysiase ston ellhniko lao stis ekloges toy 1996 me bash to opoio phre thn pleiochfia.

Xqes, loipon, eixame ekloges stis opoies krinotan to ergo twn nomarxwn kai twn dhmarxwn, h proswpikh aktinobolia kai ta programmata toys. Bebaiws, kaqe eklogikh diadikasia emperiexei kai genikotera politika mhnymata. Kai aytes oi ekloges esteilan genikotera politika mhnymata. Ta politika mhnymata ayta estalhsan apo oloys pros oloys.

H Kybernhsh, opws kai o idios o Prwqypoyrgos dhlwse xqes, elabe ta mhnymata apo th xqesinh diadikasia. Ta mhnymata ayta, omws, qa prepei na ta laboyn kai oloi oi alloi. P. x. qa prepei na tonisei kaneis oti fainetai pws, se para polles periptwseis, epaije rolo h fysiognwmia, h proswpikothta kai to programma twn ypochfiwn nomarxwn h dhmarxwn.

Qa prepei, epishs, na analysoyme me poly megalh prosoxh to pososto ths apoxhs poy katagrafhke s` aytes tis ekloges. Kai bebaiws, me poly megalh sobarothta, ypeyqynothta kai prosoxh na analysoyme, oxi en qermw, alla -epanalambanw- me nhfaliothta, sobarothta kai ypeyqynothta, ta politika mhnymata poy emperiexontai sto apotelesma twn xqesinwn nomarxiakwn kai dhmotikwn eklogwn.

Ayto poy shmera mporei na pei kaneis einai oti den exoyme eniaio mhnyma. Gi` ayto -epanalambanw- ta mhnymata ayta qeloyn idiaiterh prosoxh kai analysh. Exoyme, gia paradeigma, diaforetikh symperifora twn chfoforwn se diaforetikes periptwseis poy aforoyn olh th xwra. Ta paradeigmata einai para polla. Qa mporoysa na sas pw p. x. oti katagrafontai, se arketes periptwseis, anantistoixies se o, ti afora to pososto twn dynamewn twn kommatwn kai thn aphxhsh poy eixan sygkekrimenoi ypochfioi poy yposthrizontan apo ta kommata.

Yparxoyn, gia to PASOK, kai qetika kai arnhtika tetoia paradeigmata. Qa mporoysa na anaferw p. x. to qetiko paradeigma ths Kozanhs, opoy to PASOK, opws jerete, kerdise apo ton prwto gyro kai to dhmo kai th nomarxia, kati poy den antistoixei apolyta sto eklogiko toy pososto poy katagrafhke to 1996. Mporw epishs, na anaferw kai arketa alla paradeigmata, opoy to PASOK kerdise apo thn prwth Kyriakh, opws einai h nomarxia twn Iwanninwn, h nomarxia Qesprwtias, o dhmos ths Nikaias, o dhmos ths Komothnhs k. a.

Bebaiws, qa mporoysan na katagrafoyn kai arnhtika tetoia paradeigmata, opoy to PASOK den sygkentrwse to eklogiko pososto toy h to pososto twn antistoixwn syndyasmwn poy yposthrije sthn prohgoymenh dhmotikh kai nomarxiakh anametrhsh (anaferomai sto 1994).

Qelw na pw, loipon, oti ta mhnymata einai polla kai gi` ayto epimenoyme oti xreiazontai idiaiterh prosoxh kai analysh, nhfaliothta kai hremia kai propantos oxi eykola symperasmata, oxi qriambologies, giati o deyteros gyros einai konta. O deyteros gyros einai thn epomenh Kyriakh, se merikes hmeres apo shmera kai tote, otan qa oloklhrwqei h eikona, qa mporei kaneis me megalyterh asfaleia apo th shmerinh hmera na bgalei ta politika symperasmata, afoy exei mprosta toy oloklhro to dhmotiko kai nomarxiako xarth, opws aytos qa sxhmatistei me tis ekloges ths prosexoys Kyriakhs.

Ayto poy shmera mporei na pei kaneis einai oti h Kybernhsh qa kriqei sto telos ths tetraetias. H Kybernhsh akoloyqei staqera tis basikes epiloges ths, opws aytes exoyn katagrafei sto kybernhtiko programma ths, prin apo tis ekloges toy 1996 kai stis programmatikes dhlwseis ths, amesws meta. Aytes oi epiloges den allazoyn. Einai oi epiloges poy exoyn ws basiko stoxo na odhghsoyn th xwra sthn ONE, na dhmioyrghsoyn th sygxronh kai isxyrh Ellada kai pisteyoyme pws aytes oi basikes epiloges einai oi mones poy mporei na akoloyqhsei h xwra shmera, kratwntas ton koinwniko isto demeno, xwris apwleies twn koinwnikwn katakthsewn. Allwste, apo tis dynameis poy anejarthta an den eqesan politikoys stoxoys se aytes tis ekloges kai ek twn ysterwn qriambologhsan gia politikes epityxies, ejakoloyqoyme kai shmera na mhn exoyme dei mia diaforetikh enallaktikh poreia, mia diaforetikh enallaktikh protash, gi` ayto to stoxo.

Bebaiws, opws eipame kai sthn arxh, oi ekloges aytes esteilan mhnymata. Ta mhnymata mporei na aforoyn orismenes pleyres ths politikhs mas kai, opws hdh eipa, me nhfaliothta kai cyxraimia qa ta melethsoyme, qa ta ajiologhsoyme kai qa prajoyme analoga.

Qelw na sas pw oti synedriazei twra sta Grafeia toy PASOK h Kentrikh Eklogikh Epitroph toy Kinhmatos, h opoia qa ajiologhsei ta apotelesmata. O Grammateas ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs k. Skandalidhs qa kanei dhlwseis.

Epanalambanw oti yparxei mprosta o deyteros gyros poy qa oloklhrwsei to xarth kai prepei na pei kaneis oti to PASOK sto xwro ths Nomarxiakhs kai Dhmotikhs Aytodioikhshs, paramenei kyriarxh dynamh. Kai paramenei kyriarxh dynamh, giati einai h dynamh ekeinh poy sthrije thn allagh twn qesmwn, toys kainoyrgioys qesmoys, einai h dynamh ekeinh poy dromologhse thn poreia ths Nomarxiakhs kai Topikhs Aytodioikhshs, ths Aytodioikhshs synolika, se enan kainoyrgio dromo. Gi` ayto kai h megalh pleiochfia twn ypochfiwn poy yposthrije, me ton enan h ton allo tropo to PASOK, etyxan kai qa tyxoyn kai sto deytero gyro ths megalhs yposthrijhs. Yparxoyn kapoioi poy qriambologoyn, para to gegonos oti paramenoyn se qesh poy den einai kyriarxh sto xwro ths Topikhs Aytodioikhshs. Alla ayto einai diko toys qema.

PARIS: H Kybernhsh prin apo merikoys mhnes eixe kanei poly sygkekrimenh th skech ths gia tis ekloges ths Kyriakhs. Eixe pei oti qa einai ena dhmochfisma gia thn politikh ths. Meta apo aytes tis ekloges, den einai hlioy faeinotero oti sta astika kentra, toylaxiston, h chfos htan apodokimasias pros to kybernhtiko komma;

NIKOLAOY: Kat` arxhn, h Kybernhsh pote den eipe oti oi dhmotikes kai nomarxiakes ekloges qa einai dhmochfisma gia thn politikh ths. H Kybernhsh, ej arxhs dhlwse oti aytes oi ekloges exoyn to xarakthra toys, aforoyn stoys neoys qesmoys ths Aytodioikhshs, to ergo, ta programmata kai, profanws, ta proswpa twn ypochfiwn nomarxwn kai dhmarxwn. Asfalws, omws, den agnohse pote -oyte kai shmera to prattei- oti oi ekloges aytes exoyn kai ena genikotero politiko mhnyma. Alla, pote den qewrhse -kai den qa mporoyse na to kanei allwste- oti oi ekloges aytes exoyn ena xarakthra dhmochfismatos. Ara, den mpainei mprosta se dilhmmata tetoioy typoy. Se o, ti afora ta apotelesmata stoys treis megaloys dhmoys kai ayta einai stoixeia ths ajiologhshs poy prepei na kanoyme. Alla, gia mas o politikos xarths ths xwras den kaqorizetai mono apo toys treis megaloys dhmoys. Einai bebaiws kai ayto ena shmantiko stoixeio -den agnoei kaneis ta apotelesmata poy kategrafhsan xqes- poy prepei na ajiologhqei. Se syndyasmo, omws, me ta pollapla, opws eipa kai prin, mhnymata poy periexontai s` aytes tis ekloges, opws katagrafontai me diaforetiko tropo se polles perioxes ths xwras, ayta ta qemata prepei na ajiologhqoyn sobara kai nhfalia. Kai h Kybernhsh qa to prajei.

PARIS: To pososto poy sygkentrwse o k. Mpehs problhmatizei thn Kybernhsh;

NIKOLAOY: Oxi, den problhmatizei kaqoloy thn Kybernhsh to pososto poy sygkentrwse opoiosdhpote ypochfios. Pisteyoyme oti s` aytes tis ekloges polles dynameis toy PASOK ekfrasthkan kai apo diaforetika chfodeltia. Oloi aytoi oi anqrwpoi to PASOK sthrizoyn.

MIXAHL: Milhsate kai eipate oti kriqhke h politikh ths Kybernhshs sthn Topikh Aytodioikhsh kai sth Nomarxiakh Aytodioikhsh kai oti enisxyqhke o qesmos k. l. p. Par' ola ayta, diapistwnei kaneis apo thn prwth anagnwsh twn apotelesmatwn, oti yparxei ptwsh twn posostwn toy PASOK. Qelw na sas rwthsw, an protiqeste na apodexqeite kritikh h epishmanseis poy sas exoyn ginei apo ta alla kommata -kyriws ths Aristeras- gia perissoterh kai oysiastikoterh apokentrwsh kai anabaqmish twn armodiothtwn poy didete hdh sthn Perifereia.

NIKOLAOY: Na paroyme ta pragmata apo thn arxh: Kat' arxhn den einai alhqes oti katagrafetai mia synolikh ptwsh twn posostwn twn ypochfiwn toys opoioys sthrije to PASOK se ola ta astika kentra. Qa mporoysa na sas anaferw gia paradeigma th Nomarxia ths Dytikhs Attikhs, opoy o nyn nomarxhs -poy einai kai ypochfios nomarxhs, yposthrizomenos apo to PASOK- katagrafei mexri stigmhs mia anodo poy einai panw apo 4 monades. Epanalambanw, me ola ayta den qelw na ypotimhsw kai na ypobaqmisw th shmasia toy mhnymatos, giati yparxei ena mhnyma, to opoio kai o idios o Prwqypoyrgos, xqes, anedeije. Omws, se kamia periptwsh den qa prepei, opws eipame kai prin na ta eyqygrammisoyme ola, giati ta apotelesmata den einai eyqygramma kai h anagnwsh toys den mporei na einai eyqygrammh. Qa kanoyme laqos an ta ektimhsoyme me tetoio tropo. Kai bebaiws den qa odhghqoyme se ejagwgh orqwn symperasmatwn. Kai h Kybernhsh exei anagkh ta orqa symperasmata kai oxi ta symperasmata twn entypwsewn. Se o, ti afora ta qemata poy exoyn sxesh me thn idia th leitoyrgia toy qesmoy ths Nomarxiakhs kai Topikhs Aytodioikhshs, nomizw oti h Kybernhsh toy PASOK kai to PASOK genikotera, me olh thn istorikh diadromh toy, einai to teleytaio poy qa prepei na memfetai kaneis, gia th diadikasia apokentrwshs, aposygkentrwshs, metaforas porwn kai armodiothtwn kai dhmioyrgias mias isxyrhs Aytodioikhshs. Htan panta to komma poy yperaspize thn Topikh Aytodioikhsh kai -opws sas eipa prin- qespise th Nomarxiakh Aytodioikhsh, thn eqese se leitoyrgia kai ths edwse megalo meros armodiothtwn. Allwste, to programma ayto ejelissetai. Mhn jexnate oti to programma "Iwannhs Kapodistrias" einai ena eyry programma metaforas porwn, armodiothtwn kai stelexwshs twn kainoyrgiwn dhmwn. Kai pisteyoyme oti h Aytodioikhsh qa gnwrisei poly kalyteres hmeres, sta prosexh xronia, akribws epeidh h politikh hgesia ths xwras -poy einai h Kybernhsh toy PASOK- thn blepei me agaph kai storgh, giati einai tekno ths.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Genike, eipate prohgoymenws, "oxi eykola symperasmata, oxi qriambologies, giati o b' gyros einai konta". Se poioys apeyqyneste;

NIKOLAOY: Pros oloys.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Se poioys;

NIKOLAOY: Kat' arxhn s' aytoys oi opoioi espeysan na qriambologhsoyn. Opws jerete, emeis kai den qriambologhsame.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den mporeite na mas toys peite;

NIKOLAOY: Gia paradeigma, kapoios o opoios qriambologhse einai o arxhgos ths N. D.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai ti eipe;

NIKOLAOY: To ti eipe, to gnwrizete. Epishs, bghke kai o k. Ebert o opoios espeyse na qriambologhsei. Twra, mh moy zhtame na krinw tis diafores anamesa stis dhlwseis toy k. Karamanlh kai toy k. Ebert. Ayta as ta broyn oi ths N. D. Egw eida ena klima kai apo ta stelexh ths N. D, poy xqes filojenoyntan stis syzhthseis poy ginontan stoys thleoptikoys staqmoys, oti ekanan logo gia eyreia nikh ths N. D., gia meizon politiko qema gia thn Kybernhsh klp. Emeis leme: kalo einai na mhn qriambologei kaneis, prwton dioti yparxei o b' gyros kai deyteron, dioti ta mhnymata twn eklogwn einai pollapla. Se o, ti afora thn Kybernhsh emeis speysame na poyme oti anagnwrizoyme pws exoyn ena mhnyma oi ekloges. To lambanoyme ypoch, qa to ajiologhsoyme, qa to epejergastoyme kai qa eyqygrammistoyme m' ayto. Den eida egw kanenan allon na anagnwrizei oti yparxei gia ekeinon kapoio mhnyma. Oloi nomizoyn pws ta mhnymata estalhsan mono pros thn Kybernhsh. Kai kanoyn laqos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qewreite, ke Genike, oti oi ypochfioi poy sthrije h Kybernhsh phgan kala; Einai kerdismenh, dhladh, h Kybernhsh apo xqes;

NIKOLAOY: Se polles periptwseis oi ypochfioi poy sthrije to PASOK -h Kybernhsh den sthrizei ypochfioys, opws jerete, to komma sthrizei...

STAMATOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos phge kai sthrije...

NIKOLAOY: Einai kai Proedros toy Kommatos, omws.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Nai, alla phge proswpika kai sthrije.

NIKOLAOY: Se polles periptwseis loipon, oi ypochfioi poy sthrije to PASOK phgan kala, se alles periptwseis den phgan toso kala. Ayto symbainei me toys ypochfioys olwn twn kommatwn. Giati edw exoyme ena xarth, opoy kanoyme mia anafora kai mia syzhthsh, orqa gia toys ypochfioys poy sthrije to PASOK, alla yphrjan kai ypochfioi poy sthrixthkan apo alla kommata kai exasan. Den exasan pantoy oi ypochfioi toy PASOK. Yphrjan polles periptwseis poy kerdisan kai malista kerdisan nikh perifanh. Sas anefera, prin, merika paradeigmata. Mporw na anaferw kai alla. Bebaiws, yphrjan kai periptwseis poy den phgan kala oi ypochfioi mas. Qa ajiologhsoyme ta apotelesmata. Yparxoyn, omws kai alla kommata poy eixan apotyxies kai den blepw na exoyn diaqesh na ajiologhsoyn tis periptwseis stis opoies eixan apotyxies oi ypochfioi toys.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai kati akoma: O Prwqypoyrgos, eipate, oti phre to mhnyma. Omws xqes, eipe oti qa synexisoyme thn politikh mas.

NIKOLAOY: O Prwqypoyrgos eipe -kai epanelaba kai egw shmera- oti oi basikes staqeres ths politikhs mas den allazoyn. Profanws den mporoyn na allajoyn. Einai oi mones politikes, oi mones pleyres kai o monos orqos dromos poy mporei na odhghsei th xwra sthn Oikonomikh kai Nomismatikh Enwsh ths Eyrwphs, diathrwntas taytoxrona, tis koinwnikes katakthseis. Eipame oti yparxei ena mhnyma poy afora orismenes pleyres ths politikhs mas -oxi tis basikes mas epiloges- kai ayto qa to analysoyme. Qa syzhthsoyme panw s' ayto. Allwste, prepei na sas pw oti, apo kairo prin, exei programmatistei, gia tis 30 kai 31 Oktwbrh, synodos ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs toy PASOK me ayto to periexomeno. Ayto eixe programmatistei poly prin apo tis dhmotikes kai nomarxiakes ekloges. Ekei, loipon, qa syzhthsoyme me nhfaliothta, me cyxraimia, qa analysoyme kai analoga qa prajoyme.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Genike, to mhnyma poy esteilan oi chfoforoi, htan gia thn oikonomikh politikh ths Kybernhshs. Mh geliomaste. Ekei phgaine to mhnyma toy kosmoy.

NIKOLAOY: Exete kanei tetoia analysh;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ti shmainei exw kanei tetoia analysh; Eseis den to katalabate poy phgaine to mhnyma;

NIKOLAOY: An exete tetoioy eidoys episthmonikh analysh, parakalw na mas th dwsete.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den exw kanei episthmonikh analysh. Egw akoyw thn Koinh Gnwmh, to ti leei o kosmos, giati katachfise.

NIKOLAOY: Emeis leme oti yparxoyn mhnymata poy prepei na ajiologhqoyn. Qa ajiologhqoyn me tis diadikasies poy exei to komma mas. Kai, otan qa eimaste etoimoi, bebaiws...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poia einai ayta;

NIKOLAOY:... qa dromologhsoyme thn politikh mas analoga me ayta ta zhthmata. Eipa kai prin kai prepei na to janapw, alla parakalw gia teleytaia fora, to ejhs: Den einai eyqygramma ta mhnymata aytwn twn eklogwn. Gia paradeigma, ean oi dhmotes ths Nikaias chfizoyn ton ypochfio toy PASOK me ena pososto ths tajhs toy 56%-57%, kai h Nikaia einai mia laikh synoikia ekei den yparxei synepeia ths oikonomikhs politikhs; Den "plhttontai" oi katoikoi aytoi apo thn oikonomikh politikh ths Kybernhshs; Qelw na pw, epeidh emeis qeloyme na eimaste ypeyqynoi kai nhfalioi kai panw ap' ola sobaroi sthn ejagwgh symperasmatwn, qa analysoyme ta apotelesmata me pollh prosoxh kai den qa odhghqoyme se symperasmata poy einai proxeira kai en qermw. H en qermw ektimhsh pote den odhgei se kalo.

MOYRTZHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, pisteyete oti o kentrikos politikos sxediasmos gia tis dhmotikes kai nomarxiakes ekloges htan orqos h diapistwqhkan ek twn ysterwn kapoia pragmata; Kai to deytero erwthma: H ka Damanakh xqes erije orismenes "spontes" kai nomizw oti eixe apodektes kai stelexh toy Synaspismoy kai stelexh toy PASOK, poy den th bohqhsan oso eprepe.

NIKOLAOY: Par' oti den eimai armodios na milhsw gia ton kentriko kommatiko sxediasmo -mh sas diafeygei oti egw milw ws ekproswpos ths Kybernhshs kai oxi ws ekproswpos toy Kommatos- ayto poy prepei na pw einai, oti o kentrikos politikos sxediasmos afora toys dyo gyroys kai to oristiko eklogiko apotelesma poy qa exoyme meta kai to b' gyro twn eklogwn, thn erxomenh Kyriakh. Den yparxei sxediasmos enos gyroy Yparxei sxediasmos dyo gyrwn. Gi' ayto, allwste, eipa "kontos calmos allhloyia". Se o, ti afora thn ka Damanakh, dhlwsame se oloys toys tonoys, oti h edwse mia poly sklhrh maxh kai sebomaste idiaitera ton tropo me ton opoio prospaqhse na anadeijei ta politika qemata poy yphrxan -kai ejakoloyqoyn na yparxoyn- sto Dhmo ths Aqhnas.

KIAOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, an mporeite na prosdiorisete, poies pleyres ennoeite, otan lete oti "yparxei ayto to mhnyma gia orismenes pleyres", poy afora thn Kybernhsh...

NIKOLAOY: Qa apantoysa, opws aphnthsa kai ligo prin. Oti einai en qermw, shmera...

KIAOS: Oxi, den to lew en qermw, egw.

NIKOLAOY: Den to lete eseis en qermw, profanws. Lew, qa htan en qermw shmera, ean shmera prospaqoysame na ajiologhsoyme aytes tis pleyres. Qa to kanoyme me cyxraimia kai nhfaliothta, kai pantws syntoma.

KIAOS: Kai ena deytero erwthma: Epeidh eipate prohgoymenws oti pote h Kybernhsh den eixe dwsei xarakthra dhmochfismatos stis dhmotikes kai nomarxiakes ekloges, an qymamai kala, o Prwqypoyrgos ton Ioylio, perysi, sto Nayplio, eixe milhsei kapws sxetikws kai meta den to janaeipe, bebaia. Anafereste se poia periodo;

NIKOLAOY: O Prwqypoyrgos eixe ej arxhs dhlwsei oti dinoyme mia maxh gia toys qesmoys, gia toys anqrwpoys poy sthrizoyn kai sthrizontai sthn Topikh Aytodioikhsh. Kai bebaiws den eixe agnohsei -den qa mporoyse allwste na to kanei- oti oi ekloges aytes panta emperiexoyn ena genikotero politiko mhnyma. Ayto eixe pei. Peri dhmochfismatos oydeis kai pote eixe kanei logo.

SOYRMELH: Ap' o, ti katalaba apo ayta poy eipate mexri twra, fereste na mh dexeste to endexomeno mhnyma sxetika me thn eisodhmatikh politikh. Mhpws aspazeste perissotero thn entypwsh poy katagrafetai kai se merida toy Typoy shmera, oti ofeilontai, endexomenws sth diaspash twn dynamewn pros toys ypochfioys poy proerxontan apo paremfereis xwroys; Mhpws ekei einai to mhnyma; Mhpws yparxei to qema ths diaspashs mesa sto Komma;

NIKOLAOY: To prwto qema poy exete qesei afora thn oysia ths analyshs twn apotelesmatwn kai epanelaba arketes fores oti ayto qa to prajoyme, opws prepei kai otan prepei. Kai pantws poly syntoma. To deytero qema einai ena pragmatiko gegonos. Pragmati, eixame arketa chfodeltia sta opoia ekfrasthkan dynameis toy PASOK, gi` ayto kai eipa prin oti prepei kaneis na einai poly prosektikos sthn ejagwgh symperasmatwn, giati aytoi oi polites h en pash periptwsei polloi apo aytoys toys polites -gia na mhn eimaste kai apolytoi- den apekocan toys desmoys toys me to PASOK kai thn poreia toy. Aplws, se sygkekrimenes periptwseis, gia sygkekrimenoys logoys, ekfrasthkan diaforetika mesa apo ta dhmotika kai nomarxiaka chfodeltia. Pisteyw oti ayto einai kati poy h topikh kai nomarxiakh aytodioikhsh qa to antimetwpizei apo dw kai sto ejhs. Opws gnwrizete, fanhke se para polles periptwseis oti o rolos twn proswpwn exei ena idiaitero baros stis meres mas. Pisteyw oti ayto einai kati poy qa proxwrhsei akomh perissotero. Kai stis nomarxiakes kai dhmotikes ekloges den qa sygkroyontai kommatikoi stratoi. Ayto einai ygies.

SOYRMELH: Mhpws qymaste posa einai ta pososta ths apoxhs;

NIKOLAOY: Den exw mprosta moy pososta. Einai omws arketa megala. Nomizw oti to teleytaio poy phra einai gyrw sto 30%, alla den exw mazi moy ayth th stigmh to sxetiko xarti. En pash periptwsei, ayto poy exei shmasia, anejarthta apo to sygkekrimeno pososto -kai einai ena qema poy prepei na apasxolhsei thn politikh zwh ths xwras kai ta politika kommata- einai oti exoyme, oytws h allws, megalo pososto apoxhs. Kai ayto einai ajiologhsimo.

DHMAKAS: Sto plaisio twn ajiologhsewn poy hdh me kapoioys tropoys exete kanei, qelete na staqmisete ligo ta apotelesmata twn synergasiwn PASOK-SYN eidika;

NIKOLAOY: Den nomizw oti yparxei ki ekei eniaio apotelesma. Se para polles periptwseis phgan para poly kala. Se alles periptwseis, oxi. Nomizw oti kai s` aytes tis periptwseis to apotelesma eixe amesh ejarthsh apo to proswpo toy ypochfioy nomarxh, dhmarxoy. Kai bebaiws, an htan en energeia, to programma toy kai thn ajiologhsh toy ergoy toy. P. x. ejelegh sta Giannena o k. Zarmpalas, o opoios einai stelexos toy PASOK, yposthrixqhke omws kai apo to Synaspismo. To idio isxyei kai sth Qesprwtia me ton k. Tswnh kai se alles periptwseis. Eixame, loipon, kai poly qetika symperasmata.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Milate synexws gia ta proswpa...

NIKOLAOY: Den milaw synexws. Milaw kata ta metro poy ayta epaijan rolo.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Pisteyete, me bash ta apotelesmata poy exete mexri twra sta xeria sas, oti eginan lanqasmenes epiloges; Giati yparxoyn kai orismenes periptwseis opoy oi anejarthtoi ypochfioi poy proerxontan apo to PASOK kataferan na mpoyn sto deytero gyro h phran tis entypwseis.

NIKOLAOY: Qa sas pw oti oi epiloges, polles fores, krinontai kai apo to apotelesma.

KACAMPELHS: Gia na mas peite kai kati sygkekrimeno. Prwton, ta mhnymata sta opoia anafereste genikws kai aoristws perilambanoyn p. x. kai ton tropo me ton opoio h hgesia toy PASOK kai o Prwqypoyrgos antimetwpizoyn ta eswkommatika zhthmata apo to '96 kai meta. Kai deyteron, dedomenoy oti h ka Damanakh epelegh katopin proswpikhs eishghsews toy k. Shmith, o Prwqypoyrgos skeftetai na thn kalesei gia na syzhthsoyn apo konta tis aities ths syntribhs;

NIKOLAOY: Prwta ap` ola -to eipa kai qa to pw akomh mia fora- ta mhnymata xrhzoyn ypeyqynhs, sobarhs kai nhfalias ektimhshs kai analyshs.

KACAMPELHS: Ayto shmainei stis kalendes, dhladh;

NIKOLAOY: Hmoyn poly sygkekrimenos. Sas eipa oti to PASOK, se anypopto xrono, poly prin tis dhmotikes ekloges, exei orisei gia tis 30 kai 31 Oktwbrioy, se dekapente hmeres, dhladh, synedriash toy anwtatoy organoy toy poy einai h Kentrikh Epitroph. Dekapente hmeres den einai oi kalendes, toylaxiston opws exoyme synhqisei sthn Ellada. Qa yparjei plhrhs kai leptomerhs ajiologhsh. Mexri na synedriasei h Kentrikh Epitroph qa exei synelqei kai to Ektelestiko Grafeio kai h Kentrikh Epitroph Eklogikoy Agwna, poy qa eishghqoyn, allwste, kai sthn Kentrikh Epitroph. Se o, ti afora thn ka Damanakh, apanthsa kai epanalambanw oti sebomaste idiaitera ton agwna poy edwse, prospaqwntas na anadeijei ta politika mhnymata poy eixe kai ejakoloyqei na exei anagkh h Aqhna.

KACAMPELHS: Allh htan h erwthsh moy. An qa thn kalesei o k. Shmiths.

NIKOLAOY: Epitrecte moy na apanthsw, opws nomizw egw.

KACAMPELHS: S' ayto poy rwtaw, omws.

NIKOLAOY: Ayto poy rwthsate to katalaba kai sas aphnthsa me ton tropo poy epiqymw.

ELENOPOYLOS: Kyrie Genike, qelw na staqw ligo sthn ajiopistia s' o, ti afora bebaiws thn epejergasia toy mhnymatos to opoio, opws eipate, exete labei. Na parw mia pleyra twn oswn eipate, logw toy oti einai poly shmantikh gia th diaforetikothta twn apotelesmatwn se diafores perioxes. Rwtw loipon: pws mporei enas poliths o opoios tyxainei na einai poly konta sto komma sas, na dei me ajiopistia to apotelesma ths epejergasias sas, otan eseis protrexete na peite oti den tiqetai qema genikoterhs politikhs, alla pleyrwn ths politikhs;

NIKOLAOY: Nomizw oti o poliths mporei na prostrejei sthn ajiopistia mias kybernhshs h opoia apofeygei prwton na pei megala logia kai deyteron pisteyei kai epimenei oti oi basikes epiloges poy exoyn ginei gia thn poreia ths xwras mexri thn eisodo ths sthn ONE, den mporoyn na anatrapoyn giati den yparxei allos dromos gia na exoyme th sygxronh kai isxyrh Ellada. H ajiopistia mias kybernhshs krinetai apo th staqerothta twn epilogwn ths kai thn proshlwsh me thn opoia akoloyqei aytes tis epiloges. Bebaiws, opws eipame kai prin, yparxoyn kai alles pleyres ths politikhs, oi opoies qa ajiologhqoyn kai qa ektimhqoyn.

KAMPOYRGIANNH: O Prwqypoyrgos ypainixqhke oti qa ginoyn kapoies diorqwtikes kinhseis. To epanalambanete kai eseis shmera.

NIKOLAOY: Kat' arxhn o Prwqypoyrgos den ypainissetai. Milaei panta eyqews.

KAMPOYRGIANNH: Eipe oti qa ejetasei aytes tis pleyres ths politikhs.

NIKOLAOY: Ayto akribws epanalambanw kai egw shmera kai to exw kanei se 20 diaforetikoys tonoys.

KAMPOYRGIANNH: Xwris na to leei oti qa ginoyn kapoies diorqwtikes kinhseis.

NIKOLAOY: O Prwqypoyrgos eipe -kai epanalambanw kai egw shmera- oti to apotelesma twn dhmotikwn kai nomarxiakwn eklogwn exei kai ena politiko mhnyma to opoio qa ajiologhsoyme.

KAMPOYRGIANNH: Apokleiete, loipon, na ginoyn kapoies diorqwtikes kinhseis; To mhnyma den htan kalo.

NIKOLAOY: Den apokleiw tipota. Kai den nomizw na bghke ap' ayta poy lew egw, shmera, oti apokleiw otidhpote. Isa-isa to eipe kai o idios o Prwqypoyrgos. Kai egw to epanelaba se para polloys tonoys shmera. Den apokleiw tipota. Ayto poy apokleiw, omws, einai na allajoyn oi basikes epiloges tis opoies exoyme xarajei. Pleyres ths politikhs mas mporei na xreiazontai epanejetash. Qa tis doyme.

KAMPOYRGIANNH: Na epanadiatypwsw thn erwthsh moy: Katalabame, xqes, ap' osa eipe o Prwqypoyrgos, oti qa ginoyn kapoies diorqwtikes kinhseis. Me thn oikonomikh politikh ths Kybernhshs sto apyroblhto logw ONE, poy einai ametakinhtos stoxos, anoigetai qema anasxhmatismoy;

NIKOLAOY: Oxi, den yparxei kanena tetoio qema.

KIAOS: Anejarthtws ths Attaleias, sxetika me to Kossyfopedio, an exete kati kai me tis ellhnikes kinhseis kai tis synennohseis poy ginontai me toys symmaxoys, me to NATO klp.

NIKOLAOY: Ej oswn gnwrizw o k. Xolmproyk, mexri pro oligoy, diapragmateyotan akoma.

KIAOS: Egw anaferomai sthn Kybernhsh, stis synennohseis poy kanete me toys alloys, gia th diaqesh limaniwn, aerodromiwn k. lp.

NIKOLAOY: Den exoyme tipota newtero. Ma, den exei programmatistei akoma epembash. Den exoyme tipota newtero ap' o,ti exoyme pei mexri stigmhs. Kai as elpisoyme oti den qa xreiastei.

Eyxaristw poly.

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