Greek Government Press Briefing, 98-05-28

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 28.5.1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Ayrio qa synedriasei to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, sto plaisio twn kaqierwmenwn taktikwn synedriasewn twn kybernhtikwn organwn. H hmerhsia diatajh perilambanei dyo qemata. To ena qema afora ton eksygxronismo ths nomoqesias sxetika me thn politistikh klhronomia. Einai o nomos ton opoio katartizei to Ypoyrgeio Politismoy gia thn prostasia twn arxaiologikwn xwrwn kai oxi monon. Sto deytero qema qa syzhthqei o nomos gia thn texnikh kai epaggelmatikh ekpaideysh.

* Qa hqela na sas anakoinwsw kai to programma twn metakinhsewn toy Prwqypoyrgoy sto eswteriko kai ejwteriko: Stis 4-5 Ioynioy qa metabei sthn Krimaia gia na labei meros sthn Pareyjeinia Synergasia. Stis 13-16 Ioynioy qa paei sth Megalh Bretania gia na labei meros sth Synodo Koryfhs ths E.E. Stis 4-5 Ioylioy qa episkefqei th Fqiwtida. Stis 7-10 Ioylioy qa episkefqei th Lisabwna, opoy pragmatopoieitai h Pagkosmia Ekqesh "EXRO-98". Kai stis 17-19 Ioylioy qa periodeysei se poleis ths Aitwloakarnanias.

Ayta ek meroys moy. Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

BITSENTZOY: Plhroforhqhka apo toys fwtoreporter poy einai edw kai kalyptan xqes tis diadhlwseis gyrw apo th Boylh oti den toys epetraph na eiselqoyn sto proaylio toy Koinoboylioy gia na kanoyn lhceis, par` oti yphrxe monon enas poy to ekane ayto -kinhmatografoyse, dhladh, toys diadhlwtes- kai eikazete oti htan ths Astynomias. Einai se gnwsh sas ayto to peristatiko; Jerete an aytoi oi anqrwpoi exoyn adeia apo th Boylh; Qa to ereynhsete;

REPPAS: Mpainoyn sth Boylh oi synadelfoi sas oi opoioi askoyn to leitoyrghma toys. Einai ektos twn dhmosiografwn kai fwtoreporter, oi opoioi exoyn th dynatothta na einai parontes sto xwro ths Boylhs. Fantazomai -den gnwrizw tis leptomereies, gyrw apo to qema sto opoio anafereste- oti kapoioi eixan eiselqei sto xwro prin. Thn wra ekeinh, kapoioi alloi qa ekdhlwsan epiqymia na eiselqoyn, alla ayto praktika den qa htan eykolo kai gi` ayto o epikefalhs twn astynomikwn dynamewn den qa to epetrece, doqentos oti thn wra ths symplokhs einai poly dyskolo na pei kaneis, "anoigw ena diadromo gia na perasoyn monon oi fwtoreporter", otan oi astynomikes dynameis poliorkoyntai apo diadhlwtes, oi opoioi epidiwkoyn na spasoyn ton kloio twn astynomikwn dynamewn kai na eiselqoyn sto xwro ths Boylhs. Nomizw oti gia logoys praktikoys synebh ayto. Den yparxei o,tidhpote allo. Sto xwro ths Boylhs yparxoyn panta fwtoreporter oi opoioi kanoyn th doyleia toys.

KIAOS: Mia dieykrinish: Anefere kati h synadelfos Bitsentzoy, oti opws ths eipan, isws htan anqrwpos ths Astynomias aytos poy epairne tainia. Dhladh, ayto mporeite na to elegjete; Ti shmainei; Ti doyleia exei h Astynomia na kinhmatografei;

REPPAS: Giati den kanete ena reportaz ki eseis oloi; Den rwtate toys synadelfoys toy astynomikoy reportaz; Apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs ...

KIAOS: Twra to akoysame.

REPPAS: Einai to qema ayto qema politikhs enhmerwshs; An exete diapistwsei oti symbainei kati tetoio, na me kalesete na diatypwsw th qesh ths Kybernhshs. Alla as to doyme pws exei to qema prin, mhn kanoyme akraies ypoqeseis, dioti dhmioyrgoyntai entypwseis kai den prepei.

KIAOS: Erwthseis kanoyme edw.

REPPAS: Oxi, reportaz kanete edw, den kanete erwthseis. Ayto blepw telika oti kanete.

KIAOS: Me sygxwreite, kyrie Ypoyrge.

REPPAS: Parakalw, k. Kiao exw dwsei to logo sto synadelfo sas.

KIAOS: Qelw na rwthsw epi toy qematos.

REPPAS: Qa rwthsete meta.

PAPAXRHSTOS: Mporeite na mas enhmerwsete pws exei to qema ths synanthshs Shmith-Gilmaz;

REPPAS: Den yparxei kanena tetoio qema kai den gnwrizw pws exei prokycei.

PAPAXRHSTOS: Den yparxei qema synanthshs sthn Krimaia;

REPPAS: Den yparxei kamia programmatismenh synanthsh. Erwthqhka kai edwsa thn ejhs apanthsh, thn opoia epanalambanw: Eipa oti opws kai se alles Diaskeceis stis opoies exoyn labei meros oi hgetes twn dyo xwrwn kai exoyn synanthqei, antallassontas kapoies apoceis sto plaisio enos xairetismoy, to idio mporei na ginei kai twra. Allwste, eipa apantwntas, den gnwrizoyme akomh poios qa einai o epikefalhs ths toyrkikhs antiproswpeias. Ayth thn apanthsh edwsa. Kai blepw, ektote na dinontai diafores ermhneies, mexri toy shmeioy na legetai oti einai programmatismenh h na yponoeitai oti einai programmatismenh h synanthsh kai den thn anakoinwnoyme, epeidh akribws qeloyme na thn krathsoyme mystikh. Dioti den symmetexoyn dhmosiografoi se organwmenh apostolh, epeidh akribws qeloyme na apokrycoyme mia tetoia synanthsh. H apostolh den ginetai gia texnikoys logoys poy aforoyn toys diorganwtes. Gnwrizete, epishs, oti polles fores o Prwqypoyrgos exei labei meros se dieqneis synergasies kai den yparxei organwmenh -apo emas organwmenh- synodeia dhmosiografwn. Alla, bebaiws, oi dhmosiografoi einai eleyqeroi na einai parontes. Ti sxesh exei to ena me to allo; Den exei th dynatothta enas dhmosiografos na egkatastaqei apo shmera mexri opote qelei, sto xwro poy qa ginei h Diaskech; Den to apagoreyei kaneis.

PAPAXRHSTOS: To qema einai pws ftanei kaneis sthn Krimaia, kyrie Ypoyrge;

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti yparxoyn texnikes dyskolies. Aytes einai oi dynatothtes ypodomhs poy yparxoyn sto sygkekrimeno xwro, sth sygkekrimenh perioxh.

KIAOS: Hqela na rwthsw, an eseis ws armodios Ypoyrgos sta qemata enhmerwshs, qa endiaferqeite gia to peristatiko sto opoio anaferqhke h synadelfos Bitsentzoy.

REPPAS: Apanthsa s` ayto to qema prin.

KIAOS: Den katalaba, qa endiaferqeite h oxi;

REPPAS: Apanthsa sto qema ayto prin. O,ti apanthsa prin ayto isxyei.

KACAMPELHS: O Prwqypoyrgos qa arei tis diagrafes twn triwn boyleytwn apo thn Koinoboyleytikh Omada toy PASOK, opws toy zhthqhke xqes;

REPPAS: Den exei apasxolhsei tetoio qema ton Prwqypoyrgo.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, xqes, ennea boyleytes toy PASOK kai treis anejarthtoi, me aformh th diafhmistikh kampania poy exei jekinhsei h Kybernhsh, kateqesan erwthsh ston Ypoyrgo Oikonomikwn gia meiwsh twn dapanwn. Ektima h Kybernhsh oti einai eyqeia epiqesh pros to komma ayth h prwtoboylia;

REPPAS: Den qa apanthsw ek meroys toy kommatos, alla den qa antejw ston peirasmo kai den qa apofygw na kanw ki egw ena sxolio: Oti einai pagia praktikh -kai poly synhqismenh- h taktikh ths epikoinwnias twn kommatwn me toys polites, mesw mias diafhmistikhs ekstrateias, h opoia epanalambanetai kata kairoys. Den nomizw oti ayto apotelei mia prwtotypia kai den prepei na exoyme epilektikh mnhmh. Ola ta kommata exoyn kanei -kai prepei na synexizoyn na kanoyn- tetoioy eidoys ekstrateies, prokeimenoy na probaloyn tis apoceis toys, tis idees toys h tis qeseis toys h na kanoyn pio dieisdytika ta mhnymata toys. Ta politika kommata prepei na exoyn ayth th dynatothta. Kai gi` ayto akribws anagnwrizetai h idiaiterothta toy roloy toys kai exoyn ekeines tis texnikes kai oikonomikes dieykolynseis, prokeimenoy na antapokriqoyn metajy twn allwn kai s` ayth thn ypoxrewsh poy exoyn. Den prokeitai peri dikaiwmatos. Prokeitai peri ypoxrewsews poy exoyn ta kommata na enhmerwnoyn ton ellhniko lao. Den ejhgeitai ayth h memcimoiria kai den dikaiologeitai ayth h pikria h opoia ekfrazetai apo diaforoys. Prepei na exoyme poly epilektikh mnhmh gia na anaferomaste se kati poy ginetai shmera, agnowntas oti ayto den einai tipota to kainoyrgio. Erxetai, apla, san synexeia aytoy poy apotelei kaqestws, pagia praktikh, kekthmeno sthn politikh taktikh twn kommatwn h sth dhmosia politikh zwh ths xwras.

SOYGLERHS: Prokalei to dhmosio aisqhma, symfwna me thn erwthsh poy ekanan oi boyleytes, ayth h prwtoboylia twn kommatwn;

REPPAS: To PASOK einai to megalytero komma ths xwras. Den nomizw oti oi hgetikoi paragontes toy PASOK einai toso anohtoi, wste na probainoyn se prajeis, otan gnwrizoyn oti oi prajeis aytes prokaloyn to koino aisqhma. Gi` ayto, loipon, na eimaste oloi ligotero ametroepeis kai na mhn kanoyme dikh proqesewn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poso kostizei ayth h kampania;

REPPAS: Einai qemata ta opoia gnwrizei h armodia Epitroph toy PASOK.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eseis den jerete;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw leptomereies. Qa htan parakindyneymeno na sas anaferw sygkekrimenoys ariqmoys, otan den exw ypoch moy sygkekrimena stoixeia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Tosa alla pws ta anaferete kai den jerete to kyriotero;

REPPAS: Ta qemata ths kybernhtikhs politikhs, asfalws ta gnwrizw kai anaferomai s` ayta.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai s` ayto anaferqhkate.

REPPAS: Ekana ena politiko sxolio kai ayto kaq` yperbash.

STAMATOPOYLOS: To kyriotero ap` ola einai, poso kostizei ayth h kampania kai apo poy proerxontai ta xrhmata.

REPPAS: Ta xrhmata proerxontai apo toys poroys poy diaqetei to PASOK, poy einai oi nomimoi poroi, eite prokeitai gia ekeinoys oi opoioi proerxontai apo ton proypologismo, me bash to sxetiko nomo, eite gia toys poroys oi opoioi exoyn prokycei apo tis oikonomikes ejormhseis poy kanei kai to PASOK, opws kai ta alla kommata. Mhn exete kamia amfibolia peri toy oti oi hgetikoi paragontes toy PASOK diaxeirizontai toys poroys poy exoyn sth diaqesh toys me ton kalytero tropo. Egw eimai bebaios gi` ayto. An kapoioi amfiballoyn, den toys dikaiologw.

PAPAXRHSTOS: Yparxoyn shmera dhlwseis toy yfypoyrgoy Eqnikhs Oikonomias k. Mpalta, symfwna me tis opoies sto eswteriko toy PASOK dra "pempth falagga". Qa hqela to sxolio sas;

REPPAS: Einai oi apoceis toy k. Mpalta. Kata kairoys, diafora kybernhtika kai kommatika stelexh, exoyn ekfrasei tis apoceis toys, gia to ti ginetai sthn politikh zwh ths xwras kai gia ta osa symbainoyn sto eswteriko toy PASOK. Ayto to opoio sxoliazw, ayth thn wra, einai toyto kai mono toyto: To PASOK exei katorqwsei, gia prwth fora sthn istoria toy, na exei syllogikes, dhmokratikes diadikasies tetoies poy epitrepoyn se oloys na ekfrazoyn tis apoceis toys. Oi apofaseis lambanontai me dhmokratiko tropo. Yparxei diafaneia kai symmetoxh s` aytes tis diadikasies olwn twn paragontwn kai einai apolyth h eyxereia poy exoyn oloi oi paragontes, kommatikoi kai koinoboyleytikoi, na ekfrazoyn tis apoceis toys kai na diatypwnoyn tis idees kai tis protaseis toys. Ayto einai kati to monadiko, einai kati to prwtognwro. Apotelei mia megalh epityxia gia ena politiko komma poy kyberna ton topo. Den exei prohgoymeno sthn politikh istoria ths Elladas to fainomeno ayto kai einai deigma ygeias.

EYSTAQIOY: Poia anagkh epebale ayth th diafhmistikh ekstrateia, dhladh, mhpws ypokryptetai kai kapoio endexomeno prowrhs prosfyghs stis kalpes;

REPPAS: Den yparxei tetoio endexomeno oyte kata dianoia. Mhn eiste toso kaxypoptoi. Otan blepete pragmata, ta opoia einai toso oikeia se esas, den prepei na bgazete symperasmata san na exei symbei kati to asynhqisto.

KIAOS: Exei enhmerwsei ton Prwqypoyrgo o k. Mpaltas gi ayto poy eipe oti dra sto PASOK "pempth falagga";

REPPAS: Milhsa prin gia tis anoiktes dhmokratikes diadikasies gia thn eleyqeria poy yparxei kai mporei o kaqenas na ekfrazei th gnwmh toy. Gnwrizete poies apoceis exoyn ekfrastei apo diaforoys gia diafora qemata. Einai adianohto na pisteyei kapoios oti prepei na tiqetai ypo ton elegxo kai ypo thn egkrish toy Prwqypoyrgoy h dynatothta enos ekastoy na leei thn apoch toy.

KIAOS: Allo rwthsa.

REPPAS: Apanthsa.

KIAOS: Einai mia sygkekrimenh kataggelia poy ginetai dhmosia.

REPPAS: Apanthsa, k. Kiao, s' ayto to qema. Eipa gia kaqe stelexos kai gia to sygkekrimeno, den ejairesa ton k. Mpalta apo ta alla stelexh. Eipa ta stelexh miloyn, xwris ayto to opoio qa poyn na tiqetai prin ypo thn egkrish toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Den htan safhs h apanthsh moy;

KIAOS: Mhpws skopeyei, twra, meta th dhlwsh, o Prwqypoyrgos na kalesei ton k. Mpalta;

REPPAS: Den prokeitai na kalesei o Prwqypoyrgos ton k. Mpalta, giati o Prwqypoyrgos, exei dwsei thn eyxereia kai th dynatothta, organwnontas me ton kalytero tropo to plaisio leitoyrgias toy PASOK, se ola ta stelexh na lene tis apoceis toys. Kai ola ta stelexh qa prepei na lene tis apoceis toys kai na gnwrizoyn oti otan ekfrazoyn thn apoch toys krinontai kai oi idioi.

KACAMPELHS: O Prwqypoyrgos qa asxolhqei me to qema twn fainomenwn alazoneias kai aytarxismoy poy yparxoyn sthn Kybernhsh kai sto Komma, opws toy kathggeile, xqes, o k. Xaralampopoylos;

REPPAS: Aytes einai oi apoceis poy exei ena stelexos, akoygontai aytes oi apoceis. To PASOK kanei ta panta prokeimenoy na leitoyrgei me dhmokratiko tropo, xwris na epitrepei se opoioys einai aytarxikoi kai alazones na askoyn shmantiko rolo stis tajeis toy.

KONTOPOYLOS: Qa hqela to sxolio sas, ws ypoyrgos Typoy, gia tis nees antidraseis, oi opoies pairnoyn kai politiko xarakthra, meta thn erwthsh poy katateqhke sth Boylh, gia to lejiko toy k. Mpampiniwth.

REPPAS: Den qa prepei na paroyn politiko xarakthra oi apoceis oi opoies diatypwnontai gia epi meroys qemata poy, bebaiws, exoyn to endiaferon toys, alla den mporoyme na ta anagagoyme se qemata periophs, wste mia kybernhsh, epi sygkekrimenoy tetoioy qematos, na kaleitai na exei mia apoch. H Kybernhsh exei apoch gia th genikoterh qesh, gia th genikoterh shmasia poy exei na ginetai h episthmonikh ereyna me tetoio tropo, wste na mhn parempodizetai h ereyna ayth, me tropo o opoios dieykolynei toys episthmones, na anaptyssoyn ta epixeirhmata toys, na lene tis apoceis toys. Nomizw oti den einai dynaton na gyrisoyme se ena mesaiwna kai na odhgoyme sthn pyra toys ereynhtes h toys episthmones otan diatypwnoyn apoceis poy den einai arestes se kapoioys alloys. Qa prepei oi episthmones na exoyn th dynatothta na anaptyssoyn tis apoceis toys kai mesa apo thn episthmonikh diapalh, o xronos einai ekeinos poy qa dikaiwsei aytoys, poy exoyn kanei swsta th doyleia toys.

MOSXOBAS: O Prwqypoyrgos qa synexisei ayto ton kyklo twn epafwn me stelexh kai poioys qa synanthsei tis epomenes hmeres;

REPPAS: Apanthsa xqes. Den exei programmatistei tipota, tipota den apokleietai.

KIAOS: Qelw na rwthsw an ereynhse h Kybernhsh thn kataggelia poy egine se ena Forum sth Qessalonikh sto "ISTAME" gia drasthriothta Amerikanwn praktorwn, opoy kataggelletai oti droyn sth Boreia Ellada.

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh den exei ypoch ths na yparxoyn kapoioi, oi opoioi droyn ws praktores se baros twn symferontwn ths xwras. An kai otan ekdhlwnontai tetoia peristatika antimetwpizontai me ton analogo tropo. Den yparxei kati sygkekrimeno.

KAKABAS: H Nea Dhmokratia thn " Hmera toy Periballontos" skeftetai na katebei me podhlata. Eseis ti qa kanete;

REPPAS: Einai mia idea thn opoia exei h Nea Dhmokratia, prokeimenoy na dhmioyrghsei mia entypwsh. Alla symfwna me thn politikh ths nomizw oti qelei na symbolisei etsi oti qa kanei "podhlato" th zwh twn Ellhnwn ean pote kybernhsei h apo ta elikoptera qa katebei twra sta podhlata kai ayrio isws synexisei me ypobryxia, an exei aytes tis epikoinwniakes idees, tis opoies qelei na anaptyjei.

SOYGLERHS: Oi gynaikes ths Neas Dhmokratias diadhlwnoyn ayrio ejw apo th Boylh kata ths bias kai ths egklhmatikothtas, qa hqela ena sxolio.

REPPAS: Kanoyn poly kala. Panta oi gynaikes einai eyaisqhtes. Kai ayta ta qemata, ta opoia pragmatika exoyn ejarsh thn teleytaia periodo sthn patrida mas, tis exoyn sygkinhsei, tis exoyn eyaisqhtopoihsei kai kinhtopoihsei. Enas logos, enantion ths egklhmatikothtas kai ths ejarshs aytwn twn fainomenwn, pantote einai sympaqhs. Akoygetai me prosoxh.

KYRIAKIDOY: Meta th dikastikh apofash gia thn Ionikh Trapeza, xqes to brady, ejakoloyqei na mh leitoyrgei h Trapeza shmera. Ti alla metra exei skefqei h Kybernhsh gia na ejasfalisei th leitoyrgia ths Trapezas;

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh exei labei mia apofash. H apofash ayth efarmozetai, einai se ejelijh. H Dioikhsh ths Emporikhs Trapezas exei labei th sxetikh apofash. Stis 19 Ioynioy, opws exoyme ejaggeilei, qa synelqei h syneleysh ths Trapezas prokeimenoy na epishmopoihsei ayth thn apofash. Yparxei apofash toy Dikasthrioy. H apofash ayth prepei na ginei sebasth apo oloys. Nomizw oti, pleon, einai kataxrhsh dikaiwmatos apo thn pleyra twn ergazomenwn, otan den symmorfwnontai me thn efarmogh ayths ths apofashs. Ypenqymizw oti h N.D. eixe eisagagei diatajh me bash thn opoia, opoios den symmorfwnotan me dikastikh apofash kai synexize na apergei, htan eyxeres sth Dioikhsh toy Organismoy na ton apolysei, xwris apozhmiwsh, malista. H diatajh ayth katarghqhke, meta to 1993, otan epanhlqe to PASOK, epeidh akribws anagnwrizoyme thn eyaisqhsia kai thn eysyneidhsia poy exoyn h prepei na exoyn oi ergazomenoi, enanti aytwn twn megalwn qematwn, sta opoia exoyn na diadramatisoyn enan shmantiko, kaqoristiko rolo. Se ena kratos dikaioy pisteyoyme oti prepei na ginontai sebastes aytes oi apofaseis. Poly perissotero otan mia apofash, opws ayth gia thn pwlhsh ths Ionikhs, einai pros to symferon kai ths Trapezas kai twn ergazomenwn. Prepei, akomh, na antilhfqoyn oti yparxei kai to koinwniko synolo. Yparxoyn oi pelates ths Trapezas, ws tmhma toy koinwnikoy synoloy, oi opoioi qeloyn akwlyth synallagh me thn Trapeza, exoyn na antimetwpisoyn kaqhmerines anagkes alla adynatoyn, logw ths katastashs poy dhmioyrghqhke me th stash twn ergazomenwn. Mia mikrh omada twn ergazomenwn den einai dynaton na kaqorizei, oysiastika, thn poreia ths xwras se tetoia qemata. Apo ton prwto mexri ton teleytaio polith ths xwras, orismenoi kanones einai desmeytikoi kai prepei na ginontai sebastoi. Den einai ejairesh oi 100 h 200 h 300 apergoyntes ths Ionikhs Trapezas. Qa prepei kai aytoi na sebastoyn ton sygkekrimeno kanona. H Kybernhsh qa kanei ta panta prokeimenoy na leitoyrghsei h Trapeza. Yparxoyn nomima mesa ta opoia exoyme sth diaqesh mas kai qa ta ajiopoihsoyme me ton kalytero tropo, giati prepei na oloklhrwqei ayth h diadikasia. Einai diadikasia symferoysa gia to koinwniko synolo. Einai diadikasia h opoia antapokrinetai kai sta symferonta ths sygkekrimenhs Trapezas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ti ennoeite, otan lete, oti qa xrhsimopoihsete ola ta nomima mesa; Ennoeite ta MAT;

REPPAS: O,ti nomimo meso yparxei se mia politeia, yparxei gia na askeitai, na ajiopoieitai. An eseis exete mia tetoia monodiastath antilhch peri twn nomimwn meswn, edw exoyme mia megalh diafwnia. Prepei na sas pw oti yparxoyn s' ayto ton topo, opws kai se kaqe syntetagmenh politeia, tropoi prokeimenoy mesa apo dialogo -kai pisteyw egw sthn eyaisqhsia kai thn eysyneidhsia twn ergazomenwn- mesa apo synennohsh, na prokycoyn qetika apotelesmata gia oloys. Den qelei kapoios na epibalei th qelhsh toy sthn allh pleyra. Den anazhtoyme nikhtes h htthmenoys. Epidiwkoyme na xeiristoyme ena shmantiko qema, me tetoio tropo, wste h ejelijh na odhghsei se qetika apotelesmata gia oloys.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mexri twra ta MAT xrhsimopoieite. Gi` ayto rwthsa.

REPPAS: Den exete dikio. Nomizw oti exete meinei kapoia xronia prin. Yparxei mia megalh diafora. Exoyme mia diafora istorikhs kai politikhs fashs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Me toys ypallhloys kanate dialogo;

REPPAS: Bebaiws exoyme kanei dialogo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pote kanate; Den to phran eidhsh oi ergazomenoi ...

REPPAS: Dialogos den shmainei oti h Kybernhsh apopoieitai ths dynatothtas poy exei na kyberna ton topo, dioti einai san na kataqetei thn entolh poy exei apo ton ellhniko lao se kapoies koinwnikes omades. Poly perissotero otan prokeitai gia mikra tmhmata aytwn twn koinwnikwn omadwn. H Kybernhsh exei entolh apo ton ellhniko lao. Thn entolh ayth monon o ellhnikos laos mporei na thn anakalesei, oydeis allos. Den yparxei diaforetika laikh kyriarxia. Den yparxei syntetagmenh politeia. Den mporei na eimaste desmioi kai aixmalwtoi twn apocewn poy exei mia mikrh omada politwn se ayth th xwra, giati an to dexqoyme ayto, den kybernatai h xwra.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Allo rwthsa egw. Dialogo kanate;

REPPAS: Bebaiws kaname dialogo. H kybernhsh gia ta qemata diasfalishs ths ergasias twn ypallhlwn ths Ionikhs Trapezas einai ana pasa stigmh diaqesimh na ta syzhthsei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Twra; Katopin eorths;

REPPAS: Exei ginei dialogos. Den gnwrizete oti syzhthsan me thn Kybernhsh; Oti eklhqhsan oi ekproswpoi kai exoyn syzhthsei;

KIAOS: Qa hqela na mas peite an exoyme kati kainoyrgio apo xqes mexri shmera, epafwn kybernhsews kai apergwn ths trapezhs. An yparxei kapoio kainoyrgio stoixeio.

REPPAS: H bash ths syzhthshs den mporei na einai to dilhmma an qa pwlhqei h oxi h Ionikh Trapeza. Yparxei eilhmmenh apofash ths Kybernhshs, h opoia efarmozetai hdh. Einai se ejelijh to sxedio gia thn pwlhsh ths Trapezas. Kai pisteyoyme oti to sxedio ayto qa efarmosqei me apolyth epityxia. Ta qemata poy apasxoloyn toys ergazomenoys entos aytoy toy neoy plaisioy, bebaiws ta syzhta h Kybernhsh kai einai diaqesimh ana pasa stigmh na syzhthsei mazi toys.

KIAOS: Yparxei mia analogh, dhladh, diatypwsh poy ekane xqes kai o k. Tsoxatzopoylos. To exete maqei, etsi;

REPPAS: Ayto akribws exei pei h Kybernhsh polles fores. Kai o k. Papantwnioy kai o k. Papaiwannoy kai emeis edw to exoyme pei.

KIAOS: Prohgoymenws, sth dhlwsh sas, otan apantoysate sthn prwth erwthsh, milhsate gia kataxrhsh dikaiwmatos .Epeidh h apofash toy dikasthrioy xarakthrise paranomh kai oxi kataxrhstikh thn apergia kai bghkate twra kai milhsate gia kataxrhsh dikaiwmatos, mhpws erxeste se antiqesh me thn apofash;

REPPAS: Oxi, kaqe allo. Otan kapoios, enw yparxei apofash poy khryssei paranomh thn apergia, synexizei na apergei, synexizei na paranomei. Kanei kataxrhsh toy dikaiwmatos ths apergias poy exei, paranomwntas. Einai to idio pragma.

KIAOS: Oxi. H OTOE exei khryjei thn apergia ayth twra.

REPPAS: Einai oi legomenes apergies allhleggyhs. Egw antilambanomai ti lete ki eseis prepei na antilhfqeite ti lew egw. Gnwrizw ta peri twn apergiwn allhleggyhs. Sas lew, omws, oti h apofash toy dikasthrioy -makari na einai etsi kai na dexqeite ki eseis oti etsi prepei na ginei- prepei epi ths oysias na efarmostei, prepei na ginei dekth, na th sebastoyn oi ergazomenoi sthn Ionikh.

EYSTAQIOY: Ayto poy eipate oti brhkate epi Neas Dhmokratias th diatajh thn opoia kathrghse to PASOK, akoygetai san apeilh. Mhpws, dhladh, skeftetai h Kybernhsh na epanaferei mia tetoioy eidoys diatajh;

REPPAS: Oyte kata dianoia. Th diatajh ayth thn anefera sth rymh toy logoy moy, gia na deijw thn poiotikh diafora kai na epishmanw oti emeis anagnwrizoyme pws oi ergazomenoi exoyn sto deonta baqmo thn eyaisqhsia kai thn eysyneidhsia ekeinh, poy epitrepei na syzhtoyme mazi toys kai na antimetwpizoyme apo koinoy ta qemata poy ki ekeinoys kai emas apasxoloyn, xwris na xreiazetai na katafeygoyme se tetoioy eidoys aytarxika metra.

EYSTAQIOY: Mhpws ta gegonota sthn Ionikh empodizoyn h anastelloyn tis apofaseis gia thn pwlhsh twn allwn trapezwn, poy ejhggeile o Prwqypoyrgos;

REPPAS: Den allazei se tipota h politikh poy exoyme ejaggeilei gia ton tomea ayto.

DHMAKAS: O k. Tsoxatzopoylos ekane mia ekklhsh pros dyo kateyqynseis. Anaferotan kai sthn Kybernhsh. Qa hqela to sxolio s` ayth thn epishmansh.

REPPAS: O k. Tsoxatzopoylos einai probeblhmeno, kiolas, stelexos ths Kybernhshs, den einai ektos Kybernhshs. Otan apeyqynetai sthn Kybernhsh, apeyqynetai epeidh symmetexei sthn Kybernhsh. Den einai kapoios tritos, kapoios jenos. Ayth th qesh thn exei h Kybernhsh. Logiko einai o k. Tsoxatzopoylos, afoy einai melos ths, na epanalambanei th qesh ths Kybernhshs.

Sas eyxaristw.

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