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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 16.3.1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON GENIKO GRAMMATEA TOY YPOYRGEIOY TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS NIKO AQANASAKH

Kalhmera sas kai kalh ebdomada.

Na arxisoyme apo ta pio eykola!

* Gnwrizete oti o Prwqypoyrgos pragmatopoiei epishmh episkech sthn Tsexia. Exei shmera synanthseis me ton Tsexo omologo toy, ton k. Tosobski, opws epishs me ton Antiproedro ths Kybernhshs kai Ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn kai me ton Proedro ths Geroysias. To brady exei epishmo deipno poy paratiqetai pros timhn toy apo ton Prwqypoyrgo kai ayrio exei synanthsh me ton Proedro ths Tsexias k. Batslab Xabel. O Prwqypoyrgos epistrefei thn Trith to brady.

* Thn Tetarth, opws exw janapei, exei synanthsh me ton Prwqypoyrgo ths Oyggarias, o opoios pragmatopoiei episkech ergasias sthn Ellada.

* O Ypoyrgos Typoy, opws epishs sas exw janapei, brisketai sto Mantsester, sto atypo Symboylio Ypoyrgwn gia ta Optikoakoystika, me qemata: Prooptikh ths texnologikhs sygklishs thlepikoinwniwn, Meswn Mazikhs Enhmerwshs kai Plhroforikhs, thn polymerh symfwnia ependysewn toy OOSA kai antallagh empeirias metajy twn Ypoyrgwn sxetika me thn ejelijh sthn chfiakh texnologia kai thn chfiakh thleorash.

* Na xairetisw, epishs, thn apofash poy elaban oi Ypoyrgoi Ejwterikwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs sto atypo Symboylio sto Edimboyrgo, h opoia epanabebaiwnei kai epikyrwnei thn enarjh twn entajiakwn diapragmateysewn me thn Kypro, oi opoies qa arxisoyn stis 31 Martioy kai qa arxisoyn kanonika, para thn arnhsh twn Toyrkokypriwn na apodexqoyn th qetikh, gennaiodwrh protash ths Kybernhshs ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias. Elpizoyme, panta, oti h toyrkokypriakh pleyra kai h Agkyra qa egkataleicoyn thn taktikh ths adiallajias kai qa apofasisoyn na paroyn meros se ayth th diadikasia, h opoia einai epishs apolytws pros ofelos ths toyrkokypriakhs pleyras, twn Toyrkokypriwn politwn.

* Twra, sta qemata poy ypoqetw oti sas endiaferoyn perissotero.

H Kybernhsh proxwrhse, opws gnwrizete, se mia megalh apofash gia thn entajh ths draxmhs sto Mhxanismo twn Synallagmatikwn Isotimiwn ths E.E. Qa epanalabw kati poy eipa kai xqes: Einai mia megalh apofash kai o Prwqypoyrgos, h Kybernhsh, o Ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Oikonomias, me tis anakoinwseis toys milhsan th glwssa ths alhqeias, prosdiorizontas th shmasia ths, prosdiorizontas tis qetikes epiptwseis poy mporei na exei ayto sthn oikonomia mas synolika, afoy fernei to eqniko mas nomisma se amesh syndesh me ta isxyra nomismata twn allwn Eyrwpaiwn etairwn mas, mas fernei se proentajiako stadio, ston proqalamo, sthn pragmatikothta, toy Eyrw kai enisxyei thn prospaqeia epiteyjhs toy strathgikoy mas stoxoy poy einai o stoxos ths entajhs ths xwras mas sthn ONE. Apenanti se ayth th megalh apofash -gia thn opoia ypoqetw oti qa exoyme th dynatothta sth diadikasia twn erwthsewn kai twn apanthsewn na doqoyn dieykriniseis h na lyqoyn apories kai na apanthqoyn erwthmata- apenanti s' ayth th megalh apofash, s' ayth thn epilogh kai thn prwtoboylia ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs, h antipoliteysh leitoyrghse ews twra -lypoymai na to pw- apolytws me ejarthmena antanaklastika. Epikentrwnw to sxolio moy idiaitera stis qeseis ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs, opoy meta apo mia makra parelash diaforwn stelexwn kai diatypwsh diaforwn dhlwsewn, oxi panta se armonia metajy toys, prosteqhke epikefalhs ayths ths parelashs xqes to brady kai o Arxhgos ths Neas Dhmokratias K. Karamanlhs, o opoios, opws eipa kai xqes, eixe thn eykairia na emfanistei san arxhgos, sobaros arxhgos enos megaloy kommatos me ypeyqynes qeseis kai protaseis kai ant' aytoy protimhse mia pleiodosia aneyqynothtas.

H Kybernhsh me tis anakoinwseis toy Ypoyrgoy Eqnikhs Oikonomias, katesthse safes poia einai h politikh mas apo edw kai pera. Einai h idia politikh opws prin, einai to idio plaisio politikhs, einai pragmata ta opoia, sto megalytero baqmo, an oxi ola, eixan hdh anakoinwqei, poy apofasizetai omws h efarmogh toys, h ylopoihsh toys, na epitaxynqei kai na kinhqei me poly grhgoroteroys ryqmoys kai se sygkekrimeno xronodiagramma, toys epomenoys 18 mhnes.

Enhmerwtika na sas pw, meta ap' ayto to arxiko sxolio -kai kratwntas polla apo osa exw na pw, oytws wste na exete eseis thn prwtoboylia- oti einai se ejelijh syskech sto Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Oikonomias, ypo ton Ypoyrgo k. Papantwnioy, me symmetoxh twn Yfypoyrgwn k. Xrysoxoidh kai k. Dry kai me toys armodioys yphresiakoys paragontes, apo to SDOE kai apo tis alles Yphresies Elegxoy, oytws wste to skelos ekeino poy afora ton elegxo kai to omalo perasma sthn agora twn teleytaiwn ejelijewn kai ths diamorfwshs ths isotimias, na ginei me ton kalytero dynato tropo. O k. Xrysoxoidhs eixe apo xqes kai apo tis prohgoymenes hmeres syskeceis kai epafes me toys epixeirhmaties, gia thn omalh metabash xwris kerdoskopikes pieseis. Prepei na pw oti diapistwnetai kat' arxhn antapokrish twn epixeirhmatiwn, alla, bebaiws, apofash ths Kybernhshs einai h entash twn elegxwn sthn agora, me ayjhsh twn synergeiwn, me kaqe dynato tropo. Anakoinwseis qa kanei o Ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Oikonomias, gia ta qemata ayta, se ligo. Eidikoteres anakoinwseis gia ta qemata kai gia tis times twn kaysimwn qa kanei, nomizw stis 13.30, o Yfypoyrgos k. Xrysoxoidhs. H agora leitoyrgei bebaiws eleyqera kai antagwnistika. H antagwnistikh leitoyrgia ths agoras mporei na bohqhsei s' ayth th diadikasia, parallhla me toys elegxoys. Kai prepei na pw oti akribws oi agores -tis opoies exei men "qeopoihsei" h Nea Dhmokratia sth logikh ths, alla kaneis den mporei na mhn tis lambanei ypoch toy pia- pisteyoyme oti einai ekeines poy qa epibebaiwsoyn thn empistosynh stis mexri twra kinhseis kai sthn politikh ths Kybernhshs.

Ayta eisagwgika, gia na mh makrhgorhsw. Elpizw gia erwthseis poy qa prokaloyn dieykriniseis, ean yparxoyn.

PARIS: Mesa apo ayth thn aiqoysa, mexri prin apo mia ebdomada, o Ypoyrgos Typoy k. Reppas mas diabebaiwne oti o akrogwniaios liqos ths oikonomikhs politikhs, einai to sklhro nomisma. Ap' o,ti fainetai, para polloi pistecan s' ayto kai daneisthkan se synallagma. Jafnika, omws, hrqe h ypotimhsh. H Kybernhsh qewrei laqos thn emmonh sthn politikh ths sklhrhs draxmhs kai an tiqetai qema ajiopistias.

AQANASAKHS: Yparxoyn dyo faseis s' ayto kai qa krathsw xwrista to qema ths teleytaias periodoy -kai ayto ennow "dyo faseis". Qa krathsw to qema ths teleytaias periodoy poy h Kybernhsh kineitai stis diaboyleyseis ths, sthn prooptikh ths prosarmoghs ths isotimias kai qa to diaforopoihsw apo thn prohgoymenh fash poy einai h politikh ths sklhrhs draxmhs poy akoloyqhqhke, epi seira etwn. Apantw, loipon: Kaqe allo para laqos mporei na xarakthristei ayth h politikh, kaqe allo para apotyxhmenh mporei na xarakthristei h politikh ths sklhrhs draxmhs. Kai einai ektos pragmatikothtas osoi apo thn Antipoliteysh exoyn milhsei gia apodeijh xreokopias ths politikhs ths Kybernhshs h apodeijh synolikhs apotyxias ths politikhs poy askhqhke. Na ejhghsw ti ennow: Einai akribws h politikh ths sklhrhs draxmhs poy akoloyqhqhke, wste na exoyme ta apotelesmata kai idiaitera ston plhqwrismo, poy qa mas epetrepan na kanoyme thn epomenh megalh kinhsh ths prosarmoghs ths isotimias, se syndyasmo me thn aithsh mas gia entajh sto Mhxanismo Synallagmatikwn Isotimiwn. Einai akribws ayth h politikh. Kai edw apantw se osoys lene "giati oxi nwritera, giati den egine nwritera ayth h kinhsh;". Ma, h kinhsh ths prosarmoghs ths isotimias, den einai mia aplh eswterikh apofash. Synodeyetai kai ws kyrio xarakthristiko ths exei thn entajh sto Mhxanismo twn Isotimiwn. Gia na ginei apodekth h entajh ths draxmhs sto Mhxanismo twn Isotimiwn, h apodoxh ths aithshs mas -poy den einai dikh mas apofash, einai apofash twn "15", twn loipwn 14 etairwn mas dhladh- qa eprepe na yparxoyn sygkekrimena apotelesmata sthn oikonomia kai idiaitera ston plhqwrismo. Sas qymizw oti kamia xwra mexri twra den exei entaxqei sto mhxanismo me plhqwrismo anw toy 3%. Kai einai, an qelete, eidikh h antimetwpish ths Elladas, h opoia ginetai dekth me enan plhqwrismo poy ekineito sto 4,2% - 4,3%. Twra, yparxei to deytero stadio, ths teleytaias periodoy, opoy ginontai oi diaboyleyseis gia thn prosarmogh ths isotimias. Apanthse me pollh eilikrineia, xqes, o Ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Oikonomias. Den qa epikalestw to "Karamanliko" -kai ennow toy palaioy Karamanlh- oti "yparxoyn pragmata poy legontai kai den ginontai kai pragmata poy ginontai kai den legontai". Dystyxws, sthn periptwsh ayth, h dhmosiopoihsh h akoma kai to na afhne kaneis kai thn paramikrh nyjh gia allagh politikhs, qa htan katastrofikh gia thn oikonomia, th xwra kai toys polites synolika. Qa htan tetoies oi pieseis sth diadikasia twn eleyqerwn agorwn poy, profanws, oi kindynoi qa htan ayjhmenoi kai qa yphrxe o kindynos na anagkasteis na pas se mia prosarmogh, xwris na exeis ejasfalisei to qetiko, to idiaitera qetiko ths entajhs sto Mhxanismo twn Synallagmatikwn Isotimiwn. Se o,ti afora to eidikotero qema toy daneismoy se synallagma, apo tis epixeirhseis kai apo idiwtes, prwton, isxyei genikws oti stis oikonomikes apofaseis panta kaneis exei ena risko. Deyteron, mporei na erqei ayth h erwthsh, alla stis pragmatikes ths diastaseis, omws, afoy ypologistei dhladh kai to kerdos poy eixan oi epixeirhseis poy daneisthkan se synallagma, me poly xamhla epitokia, sto prohgoymeno diasthma, apofeygontas etsi ta poly ychla epitokia ths ellhnikhs agoras, toy ellhnikoy trapezikoy systhmatos. Den mporei na milame mono gia th mia pleyra. Den einai opws metroyn orismenoi kai lene: "14% ftwxoteroi". Pws; Den einai etsi oi ypologismoi. Na kanoyme th syzhthsh sta pragmatika megeqh.

PARIS: Rwthsa kai gia thn ajiopistia.

AQANASAKHS: Pragmati, na oloklhrwsw thn apanthsh moy me to qema ths ajiopistias, dioti einai ena apo ta basika shmeia ths kritikhs poy askeitai sthn Kybernhsh kai malista me diplo stoxo, "ajiopistia ths Kybernhshs kai ajiopistia toy Prwqypoyrgoy". Prwton, einai akribws h ajiopistia ths Kybernhshs kai h empistosynh sth xwra poy synebalan gia na lhfqoyn oi apofaseis aytes se eyrwpaiko epipedo. Ajiopistia kai empistosynh poy den exei diamorfwqei ws ypokeimeniko megeqos, alla exei diamorfwqei apo sygkekrimena apotelesmata ths oikonomikhs politikhs ths Kybernhshs. Deyteron, se o,ti afora to eswteriko, h ajiopistia kai toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai ths Kybernhshs, pisteyw akradanta oti qa parameinei alwbhth, dioti o Prwqypoyrgos, h Kybernhsh kai to PASOK exoyn desmeytei se ena basiko stoxo kai o stoxos aytos einai na odhghsoyme me asfaleia th xwra kai toys Ellhnes polites sthn ONE, sthn isotimh symmetoxh mas stis ejelijeis sthn Eyrwph. Aytos einai o strathgikos stoxos. Ayton akoloyqoyme me tis endiameses taktikes. Parakoloyqhma aytoy toy stoxoy einai h proxqesinh kinhsh gia thn prosarmogh ths isotimias ths draxmhs kai thn entajh mas sto Mhxanismo Synallagmatikwn Isotimiwn.

KIAOS: Gnwrizete poioi apo thn Kybernhsh kai apo to kybernhtiko epiteleio hjeran ta pragmata sxetika me thn entajh kai me thn ypotimhsh kai apo pote;

AQANASAKHS: Apo thn Kybernhsh o xeirismos egine se epipedo Prwqypoyrgoy, Ypoyrgoy Eqnikhs Oikonomias kai Dioikhth ths Trapezas ths Ellados. Akoma ena, dyo h tria -to poly- stelexh, mporei na exoyn emplokh sth diadikasia twn diaboyleysewn, poy bebaiws htan aparaithth sth synexeia. Ola ayta to teleytaio dimhno peripoy. Mporw na brw kai toys akribeis xronoys gia logoys istorikoys.

Pairnw aformh ap' ayth thn erwthsh toy k. Kiaoy, xwris na apantw s' ayton, gia na dwsw mia apanthsh kai na kanw mia parathrhsh se ena qema poy exei teqei tis prohgoymenes hmeres, kai syndeei eyqews th diarroh ths plhroforias -kapoia stigmh to meshmeri-apogeyma ths Paraskeyhs, dhladh tis teleytaies wres prin thn epishmh anakoinwsh- kai ta kerdh poy apokomisan kapoioi stis agores, me kybernhtika stelexh, me aytoys poy gnwrizan to qema sthn Ellada. Einai, pragmati, qa elega kat' arxhn, lyphro, oti akoma kai an kaneis exei ayto to erwthma, diatypwnetai to qema me tetoio tropo poy ftanoyme sto shmeio, peran akoma kai ths "eisaggelikhs leitoyrgias" na exei ekdoqei kai h "dikastikh apofash" kai na exoyn peripoy prosdioristei kai oi "enoxoi" sth xwra mas. Sthn Ellada, to qema to gnwrizan para poly ligoi, kybernhtika stelexh ajiopista, metroymena sta daxtyla toy enos xerioy. (Xarakthristika, shmera eida ena dhmosieyma oti oyte kan sta stelexh poy o Prwqypoyrgos phre mazi toy kata thn epistrofh toy apo to Londino, stoys stenoys synergates toy dhladh, otan toys anakoinwse oti epistrefoyn sthn Aqhna, den toys eipe kan gia poio logo. Kai miloyme gia poly stenoys synergates toy Prwqypoyrgoy). Taytoxrona, anagkastika apo thn olh diadikasia poy eprepe na akoloyqhqei, yphrxe h enhmerwsh stis loipes eyrwpaikes xwres, poy anebaze, se polles dekades -me afethria th Deytera kai apokoryfwma thn Pempth, otan ypobalame thn aithsh- ton ariqmo twn proswpwn poy eixan gnwsh. Me bash empeiries tetoiwn kinhsewn, eite sthn Ellada, eite se alles xwres, mporoyse kaneis na pei oti h diarroh, to apogeyma ths Paraskeyhs, einai sto esxato orio. Kai pantws, den htan mia diadikasia poy mporoyse na elegjei h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh.

KIAOS: Mhpws mporeite na mas peite, afoy exei ginei pleon, poioi gnwrizan apo thn Kybernhsh, apo toys stenoys synergates toy Prwqypoyrgoy; Eipate o k. Papantwnioy kai o k. Papadhmos...

AQANASAKHS: Nai. Einai gnwsto oti yphrxe epishs emplokh toy k. Stoyrnara kai toy k. Gkargkana kai apo ekei kai pera -qa prepei na to elegjw- amfiballw an yparxei allos enas ayths ths tajhs. An qelete sygkekrimena onomata, se sygkekrimenoys xronoys, qa synennohqw me to Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Oikonomias.

KIAOS: Epimenw epeidh exei ena dhmosieyma shmera h "AYRIANH" gia syggenh Ypoyrgoy poy doyleyei se jenh etairia. Rwtw an gnwrizete kati.

AQANASAKHS: Den to jerw. Na parw oloys toys Ypoyrgoys kai na toys rwthsw; Ean exei kaneis sygkekrimenh kataggelia h sygkekrimenh anafora, parakalw na thn kanei me ta stoixeia poy exei h tis ektimhseis poy exei, alla sygkekrimena. Einai laqos jafnika na emfanizoyme eite to steno epiteleio, ton kyklo twn anqrwpwn poy xeiristhkan to qema, eite thn Kybernhsh genikotera ws ypeyqynh gia mia tetoia diarroh kai na bgazoyme symperasmata akraiwn ekdoxwn.

KIAOS: Me th sthrijh ths draxmhs poy perimenei h Kybernhsh kai poy exei symfwnhqei se opoiodhpote epipedo, apo tis kentrikes Trapezes twn etairwn k.t.l kai idiaitera apo th Gallia kai th Germania, perimenei taytoxrona h Kybernhsh na askhqoyn pieseis, na zhthqoyn antallagmata se politiko epipedo, apo tis xwres aytes...

AQANASAKHS: Den tiqetai tetoio qema.

KIAOS: Den tiqetai;

AQANASAKHS: Bebaiws den tiqetai tetoio qema. Den mporei na ginei tetoios syndyasmos. H Kybernhsh paroysiase to plaisio toy programmatos ths kai tis apofaseis ths -to deytero skelos toys htan ayto poy anakoinwse o Ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Oikonomias- kai thn protash ths gia thn prosarmogh ths isotimias. H syzhthsh ginetai sto epipedo toy ECOFIN kai th Nomismatikh Epitroph ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Den mporei na emplakoyn tetoia qemata s' ayto.

KIAOS: Kai otan eipate gia thn Ajiwmatikh Antipoliteysh oti leitoyrghse apolytws me ejarthmena antanaklastika, apo poion ejartwntai;

AQANASAKHS: Den ennooysa tetoia ejarthsh. Se eisagwgika to "ejarthmena antanaklastika". Ennow dia toy mhxanismoy ton opoio gnwrizete kai exei perigrafei episthmonikws.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate oti den yphrje diarroh apo edw, apo to eswteriko. Otan omws yparxei mia ekroh 1 dis dollariwn, pws egine;

AQANASAKHS: Sas lew oti sto eswteriko to egnwrizan mexri thn teleytaia stigmh para-para poly ligoi anqrwpoi, h entimothta twn opoiwn den mporei na amfisbhthqei kai malista xwris na paroysiazetai to elaxisto stoixeio kai kaneis den exei paroysiasei tipota. Antiqeta, yphrxe enas oloena kai perissotero dieyrynomenos kyklos anqrwpwn, poy ek twn pragmatwn eprepe na enhmerwqoyn gia na kinhqei ayth diadikasia sth synedriash ths Paraskeyhs. Pws bgazoyn kapoioi to symperasma, pws tolmoyn kai bgazoyn to symperasma toso eykola, toso apolyta, oti h diarroh exei ginei apo toys elaxistoys poy hjeran to olo qema sthn Aqhna;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gnwrizete poia atoma ekanan thn ekroh aytoy toy synallagmatos; Mporeite na mas dwsete ta stoixeia ayta;

AQANASAKHS: Ypoqetw oti kata th xrhmatisthriakh diadikasia, einai stoixeia poy mporei na elegxqoyn. Den eimai eidikos s' ayto.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eiste politikos.

AQANASAKHS: Lew "den eimai eidikos", me thn ennoia toy na sas apanthsw an einai dhmosiopoioymena stoixeia h oxi. Den to jerw. Kai an sas pw "nai" kai ginei epiklhsh toy opoioy trapezikoy aporrhtoy; Den to jerw to plaisio. Ypoqetw oti stoixeia poy mporoyn na doqoyn sth dhmosiothta, an zhthqoyn, qa doqoyn. En pash periptwsei, h Trapeza ths Elladas ypoqetw oti qa ta exei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Sthn prokeimenh periptwsh, kyrie Genike, prokeitai gia kerdoskopia. Den apagoreyetai...

AQANASAKHS: Den eipa egw oti den prokeitai gia kerdoskopia. Sas eipa oti den to gnwrizw. Na rwthsw kai na sas pw.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H Kybernhsh qa dwsei sth dhmosiothta ta onomata, tis etairies poy kerdoskophsan;

AQANASAKHS: Sas apantw genika, epeidh den gnwrizw to nomiko plaisio -gi' ayto apantw genika kai oxi gia na ypekfygw- oti h Kybernhsh kineitai panta sto plaisio twn nomwn. Einai ypoxrewmenh na kineitai sto plaisio toy nomoy. Ayth thn apanthsh sas dinw kai sas parakalw mhn thn eklabete ws ypekfygh. Den gnwrizw th sygkekrimenh leptomereia. Profanws exei endiaferon na gnwrizei kaneis poioi logariasmoi kinhqhkan kai poioi den kinhqhkan. Den gnwrizw ean o nomos epitrepei th dhmosiopoihsh. Den gnwrizw, eilikrina. Qa to elegjoyme kai qa sas dwsw apanthsh sth synexeia.

XATZHDHMHTRIOY: Pws apantate stis aitiaseis boyleytwn oti osoi empisteyqhkan tis diabebaiwseis ths Kybernhshs gia th draxmh exasan kai osoi den tis empisteyqhkan bghkan kerdismenoi;

AQANASAKHS: Apo tis dhlwseis enos h dyo boyleytwn toy kybernwntos kommatos eida kapoia erwthmatika. Den eida tipota entono to opoio qa me ypoxrewne na kanw ena eidiko sxolio me afethria tis dikes toys dhlwseis, tis opoies genika den sxoliazoyme kiolas. Aposyndew, loipon, thn erwthsh sas apo th syndesh poy kanete me dhlwseis boyleytwn toy PASOK, tis opoies den exw diabasei epakribws. Epanalambanw ayto to opoio eipa kai prin, oti:

* Prwton, h politikh ths sklhrhs draxmhs eprepe na akoloyqhqei kai h epityxia ayths ths politikhs odhghse s' ekeinoys toys deiktes kai idiaitera ston plhqwrismo poy mas epitrepei shmera na kanoyme ayto to megalo bhma.

* Deyteron, oti osoi eixan epilejei sth diadikasia twn synallagwn toys, to daneismo toys se synallagma, exoyn ayth th stigmh mia sygkekrimenh apwleia, pragmati, alla prepei kaneis na prosmetrhsei kai ta qetika gi' aytoys apotelesmata, ths prohgoymenhs periodoy, apo thn epilogh poly xamhlwn epitokiwn kai oxi twn ychlwn epitokiwn toy ellhnikoy trapezikoy systhmatos, to opoio eixan oi alloi epixeirhmaties.

* Triton, apo thn wra poy lambanetai h apofash na kinhqoyme pros thn prosarmogh ths isotimias kai thn entajh sto mhxanismo, den mporei, dystyxws, na anakoinwqei otidhpote. Kai oxi mono ayto. Den mporei kan na yparjei opoiadhpote nyjh gia allagh ths politikhs, dioti ayto qa eixe ayjhmenoys kindynoys, toys opoioys qa xarakthriza katastrofikoys.

KONTOPOYLOS: Eipate oti den sxoliazete dhlwseis boyleytwn. Wstoso, dyo Ypoyrgoi ths Kybernhshs exoyn diaforopoihqei. O k. Papadopoylos zhthse sklhrotera metra, qewrwntas, profanws, oti ta metra poy synodeyoyn thn epilogh ths Kybernhshs einai elliph kai aneparkh. Kai to deytero erwthma: An o k. Tsoxatzopoylos ejefrase epifylajeis gia to xeirismo toy qematos kai thn emmonh sthn probolh ths politikhs ths sklhrhs draxmhs.

AQANASAKHS: Na kanw mia parathrhsh eisagwgikh kai na sas apanthsw: Prwton, eisagete thn erwthsh sas legontas, "dyo Ypoyrgoi ths Kybernhshs exoyn diaforopoihqei". Moy anaferete ton k. Papadopoylo, o opoios zhtaei sklhrotera metra, symfwna me ta dhmosieymata. Kai synexizete me to "ean", zhtwntas moy na sas apanthsw egw ti ekane o k. Tsoxatzopoylos, an o k. Tsoxatzopoylos eqese orismena erwthmata k.l.p. Apantw, loipon: Den yparxei diaforopoihsh kanenos Ypoyrgoy panw sth sthrijh ayths ths apofashs, thn opoia oloi qewroyn sobarh, megalh apofash, shmantikh apofash, kaqoristikh gia thn parapera poreia ths xwras ...

KIAOS: Kai twn apontwn;

AQANASAKHS: Den exei diatypwqei o,tidhpote allo ews twra, alla milw kat' arxhn gia th synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy. Den qewrw de oti qa yparjei apo osoys apoysiazan, xwris na mporw na prokatalabw opoiondhpote. Synexizw thn apanthsh ston k. Kontopoylo: Sth diadikasia toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, o k. Tsoxatzopoylos qewrhse megalh, shmantikh, qetikh apofash th sygkekrimenh apofash. Sth diadikasia mias syzhthshs se opoiodhpote organo -kai qa epanalabw kati poy epaneilhmmena exei eipwqei- mpainoyn erwthmata kai dinontai apanthseis. Erwthmata poy eite ta qetei rhtorika kai ta apanta kaneis monos toy, eite ta apantoyn oi synadelfoi toy. Ayth akribws einai h diadikasia opoiasdhpote syzhthshs. Den mporoyme na efeyroyme allh diadikasia syzhthshs.

SOYRMELIDHS: To prwto poy qa hqela na sas rwthsw kai na apanthsete me th glwssa ths alhqeias ...

AQANASAKHS: Lene oti o Ekproswpos ofeilei na omilei panta th glwssa ths alhqeias, kata to gnwsto rhto to opoio leei oti "prepei na les thn alhqeia, mono thn alhqeia kai ean mporeis olh thn alhqeia".

SOYRMELIDHS: Anaferomai sth xqesinh anakoinwsh, den anaferomai genikws. Sas parakalw, loipon, me th glwssa ths alhqeias na mas ejhghsete an h prosarmogh ths draxmhs egine me ypotimhsh.

AQANASAKHS: Ti ennoeite akribws;

SOYRMELIDHS: An egine me ypotimhsh. Pws to xarakthrizete;

AQANASAKHS: Prepei na qelete na kanete kapoia allh erwthsh, thn opoia sas parakalw na thn kanete eyqews. Sto myalo sas exete thn erwthsh ...

SOYRMELIDHS: Afhste ...

AQANASAKHS: Epitrecte moy na sas ermhneysw, dioti etsi opws diatypwnete thn erwthsh sas, den leei tipota. Prospaqw na bohqhsw. Otan moy lete na sas apanthsw, "ean h prosarmogh ths draxmhs egine me ypotimhsh", sthn pragmatikothta moy qetete mia plagia erwthsh, gia na apanthsw sthn eyqeia erwthsh poy exete sto myalo sas, sto giati xrhsimopoioyme ton oro "prosarmogh" kai oxi ton oro ton opoio xrhsimopoieite eseis.

SOYRMELIDHS: Gia na sas dieykolynw ...

AQANASAKHS: Apantw loipon, s' ayth thn erwthsh, thn opoia ypoqetw oti qelete na moy qesete.

SOYRMELIDHS: Exw kai mia deyterh erwthsh. Giati h Kybernhsh pisteyei oti mesa se 18 mhnes qa ginoyn osa den eginan ta prohgoymena xronia; Kai den milw mono gia th sygkekrimenh kybernhsh, alla kai gia alles kybernhseis kai kybernhtika sxhmata.

AQANASAKHS: Xrhsimopoioyme, pragmati, ton oro "prosarmogh ths isotimias". Kai ayto, opws exete antilhfqei oloi, einai mia epilogh. Den einai epilogh gia na apokrybei kati. Ginetai, omws, dioti den qeloyme na yparjei taytish me prohgoymenes diadikasies, qa elega me mia ypotimhsh klasikoy typoy, poy eixe mono to skelos mias eswterikhs ellhnikhs apofashs, gia na enisxyqei h antagwnistikothta ths oikonomias, gia paradeigma, enw edw to kyrio stoixeio ths apofashs kai ths diadikasias einai h entajh sto Mhxanismo twn Synallagmatikwn Isotimiwn. Kai ej aytoy kai gi' ayto h "prosarmogh", giati yparxei safhs diafora. Otan syneidhtopoihsoyme mesa apo th leitoyrgia ths Oikonomias ti exei symbei kai poies qa einai oi ejelijeis, qa syneidhtopoihsoyme: - th shmasia poy exei na einai shmera h draxmh amesws syndedemenh me ta loipa isxyra eyrwpaika nomismata, - th shmasia poy exei na proxwrhsei mazi me to Eyrw to 1999, - th shmasia poy exei to 2001 h isotimia ths draxmhs na einai kai pali stis 357 draxmes. Me thn eykairia, ta shmerina mhnymata twn agorwn, mexri th stigmh poy katebhka sto pres-roym -diathrw tis epifylajeis kai tis asfaleies moy- htan qetika, dioti oi agores kinoyntai katw apo to 14%. Kinoyntan gyrw sth 1 meta to meshmeri, sto 11,5%.

KIAOS: Ara pame kala.

AQANASAKHS: Dexomai thn parathrhsh sas, k. Kiao.

KIAOS: Oxi, erwtw: Ara, pame kala;

AQANASAKHS: To erwthmatiko (;) thn prohgoymenh fora jexasate na to balete, ara xasate. Egw apanthsa sthn parathrhsh sas.

KIAOS: Egw xamenos eimai, o Prwqypoyrgos eipe oti kerdisame. Exw kai mia deyterh erwthsh: Dhladh, pame kala;

AQANASAKHS: Sas apanthsa. Qelete na kanw genikh apotimhsh;

KIAOS: Nai, dieykriniste to.

AQANASAKHS: Exw kanei tesseris fores genikh apotimhsh, alla gia na kalycw tis apories sas sth diarkeia ayths ths syzhthshs, qa kanw allh mia.

KIAOS: Me mia apanthsh, nai h oxi;

AQANASAKHS: Pws aisqaneste;

KIAOS: Eseis; Pate kala; Ayto rwtaw, apanthste mas, nai h oxi;

AQANASAKHS: Sas lew exw kanei genikh apotimhsh ...

KIAOS: Mia apanthsh qelw me mia lejh.

AQANASAKHS: Pame kala, apo poia skopia, k. Kiao; Apo th skopia ths synolikhs poreias ths oikonomias; Apo th skopia twn toyristikwn epixeirhmatiwn; Nai. Profanws qa sas apantoyse kaqe ekproswpos ths Kybernhshs: Nai, pame kala. Kai egw qa prosqesw: Kai qeloyme na phgainoyme panta kalytera.

SOYRMELIDHS: Par' olo poy me diorqwsate prohgoymenws, egw den sas rwthsa ti einai prosarmogh, sas rwthsa an h prosarmogh egine me ypotimhsh. Par' ola ayta moy apanthsate. To deytero erwthma einai, giati ayta poy den eginan ta prohgoymena xronia, me alles kybernhseis ...

AQANASAKHS: Qa apanthsw. Qa htan eylogo to erwthma, an jekinoyse kaneis ayth th stigmh na diamorfwsei kai na anakoinwsei mia nea politikh. Isa-isa, dexomaste kritikh apo thn Kyriakh to meshmeri poy eginan oi anakoinwseis toy Ypoyrgoy Eqnikhs Oikonomias, oti den anakoinwsame tipota kainoyrgio. Pragmati, anakoinwsame, perigracame thn politikh poy eixe epilegei kai anakoinwqei kai anaggeilame thn epitaxynsh ths. Miloyme, loipon, gia mia seira metra kai apofaseis, h proergasia twn opoiwn exei jekinhsei edw kai kairo. Den einai kati kainoyrgio. Den bghke kati neo xqes sto skhniko. Den yparxei tipota kainoyrgio se o,ti afora tis epiloges. Ean ejetasete kaqe tomea, me ejairesh -an qelete- to skelos twn dhmosionomikwn prosarmogwn, dhladh ths enisxyshs ths dhmosionomikhs peiqarxias kai ths parapera peristolhs twn kratikwn dapanwn -ayto htan neo xqes- ta alla einai politikes, oi opoies exoyn perigrafei. Oi perissoteres exoyn anakoinwqei kai h epejergasia toys olo ayto to diasthma -oxi mono ws epejergasia alla kai ws efarmogh stis prwtes baseis toys- proxwrei. Kai ayto poy dhlwsame einai, oti epitaxynoyme toys ryqmoys mas wste ayta poy eixan ypologistei na ginoyn se tria xronia, na ginoyn se 18 mhnes. Pisteyoyme, oti aytos o stoxos mporei na einai efiktos me th bohqeia olwn, bebaia.

KARASABBA: Yparxoyn kykloi ektos Ellados, oi opoioi anhsyxoyn gi' ayth thn poreia ths Ellados ...

AQANASAKHS: Sas parakalw. Ola ta thlegrafhmata poy exoyn stalei apo to ejwteriko ews ayth th stigmh, einai idiaiterws qetika. An qelete na mas anaferete sygkekrimena poioys kykloys ennoeite ...;

KARASABBA: Oxi ola, kyrie Genike.

AQANASAKHS: Poioys kykloys ennoeite; Milhste sygkekrimena, ka Karasabba.

KARASABBA: Trapezikoi kykloi.

AQANASAKHS: Egw enhmerwnomai apo to prwi gi' ayta kai den ...

KARASABBA: Asxetws ...

AQANASAKHS: Oxi "asxetws". Na to kleisoyme ayto to qema kai na proxwrhsoyme para pera.

KARASABBA: To kleinoyme, to afhnoyme. Mporeite na epibebaiwsete oti h Ellada mesa stoys epomenoys 18 mhnes den qa zhthsei na ejelqei apo to Mhxanismo ERM; Kai ...

AQANASAKHS: Twra; Kaname toso kopo gia na mpoyme ...

KARASABBA: Kai h deyterh erwthsh einai, an h Kentrikh Trapeza ths Ellados exei apotyxei, wste na yposthrijei to diko ths eqniko nomisma, an yparxoyn proypoqeseis, rhtres mesa s' ayth th symfwnia, poy na lene kata poso h Ellada anamenetai na antapokriqei sto na sthrijei ta alla nomismata mesa s' ayto to "kalaqi" toy ERM;

AQANASAKHS: Qa prospaqhsw na antilhfqw kai na apanthsw stis erwthseis sas. Prwton, se o,ti afora thn ejodo apo to Mhxanismo h en pash periptwsei ayto poy qelete, isws, na rwthsete -ejw apo to Mhxanismo logw diakymanshs peran twn oriwn- qa sas apanthsw oti me ola ta dedomena ayth th stigmh den mporei kai den prokeitai na yparjei tipota tetoio oyte ws fobos, oyte ws anhsyxia, kai poly perissotero, ws prooptikh. Qa apanthsw de, epeidh mporei kaneis na isxyristei oti ayth h diabebaiwsh qa diaceystei, oti h dhlwsh moy einai epanalhch ths dhlwshs poy ekane xqes o Ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Oikonomias, sthrizontas thn, epiprosqetws se tria shmeia, ta opoia exoyn ta xarakthristika ths antikeimenikothtas:

* To prwto einai, oti yparxei h diadikasia ths diakymanshs kai ths sthrijhs poy problepetai, qewrhtika me ychla pososta, sthn pragmatikothta omws, me poly pio stenh zwnh gia thn yposthrijh apo oloys sthn periptwsh problhmatwn.

* To deytero einai, oti akribws oi apofaseis den einai pia monomereis ellhnikes apofaseis se o,ti afora to qema ths isotimias, kai h isotimia prosdioristhke.

* To trito kai kyrio einai, oti kaqws oloi qewroyn mexri twra -kai ap' o,ti fainetai kai apo tis agores- thn prosarmogh poy egine apolytws ikanopoihtikh, den yparxoyn ta antikeimenika xarakthristika gia kati tetoio. Kai bebaiws, h Kybernhsh qa synexisei thn politikh ths gia apoklimakwsh toy plhqwrismoy, gia periorismo twn elleimmatwn. Ta apotelesmata ths politikhs ayths qa enisxyoyn akomh para pera th qesh ths xwras mas.

KARASABBA: Den apanthsate.

AQANASAKHS: Mporeite na epanalabete sygkekrimena erwthmata kai na epanelqw.

KARASABBA: Sas rwthsa, mporeite na diabebaiwsete oti h Ellada mesa stoys epomenoys 18 mhnes poy exete qesei eseis, den qa ejelqei apo to Mhxanismo ERM;

AQANASAKHS: Sas apanthsa apolytws. Den yparxei kanena tetoio qema kai h perigrafh poy ekana sthn apanthsh moy, htan akribws gia na sas pw, oti ayto den einai mono qema ypokeimenikhs moy ektimhshs, alla kai antikeimenikwn dedomenwn.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Oles aytes tis meres exete anaferqei sta qetika ths prosarmoghs, th lene ypotimhsh, alla eseis den thn lete etsi. Qelw na rwthsw an yparxei kati ti arnhtiko s' ayth thn prosarmogh. An h Kybernhsh dhladh, blepei na yparxoyn ektos apo ta qetika kai kati elaxista arnhtiko.

AQANASAKHS: To deytero kommati ths erwthshs sas den xreiazotan. Apantw, loipon, sthn erwthsh ean yparxei kati arnhtiko. To "elaxisto" dhladh, qa elega na to diagracete, dioti qa to qewroysa eirwneia pros emena, thn opoia den nomizw oti eixate proqesh na ...

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Oxi, kamia proqesh.

AQANASAKHS: Ara, menoyme sto ean yparxei kati arnhtiko. O,ti gnwrizw...

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Epitrecte moy giati...

AQANASAKHS: Oxi, exoyme synennohqei, poly filika to lew kai synadelfika.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Edw blepw kai mia diaqesh na pikranete emena.

AQANASAKHS: Oxi, kaqoloy.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Na mhn to diagracoyme, loipon, na parameinei ayto, epeidh den exoyme thn eykairia s' ayto to xwro na exoyme ton k. Papantwnioy, o opoios xqes ejemanh otan akoyse oti oi Ellhnes einai ftwxoteroi. Epanalambanw, loipon, to erwthma ean h Kybernhsh kai oxi eseis antilambaneste oti yparxei kati elaxista arnhtiko s' ayth thn ypotimhsh.

AQANASAKHS: Entajei paramenei h erwthsh me tis dyo ekdoxes. Gia to qema kat' arxhn ths xqesinhs synenteyjhs toy k. Papantwnioy. O Ypoyrgos den ejemanh sto "ftwxoteroi", ejemanh h en pash periptwsei antedrase sto "giname ftwxoteroi kata 14%". An anatrejete sta praktika ths xqesinhs syzhthshs, an qymamai kala, h antidrash htan oti giname "ftwxoteroi kata 14%". Ekei, eipe, "ma, plhrwneste to misqo sas se dolaria, se marka - h kati tetoio". Profanws, epeidh yparxoyn epiptwseis apo mia tetoia kinhsh, oi opoies sto mikrooikonomiko epipedo, sto epipedo dhladh epixeirhsewn kata kladoys kai kladoys k.l.p. einai qetikes gia diaforoys kladoys kai yparxoyn kai kapoies alles arnhtikes epiptwseis se alloys kladoys. Ayto einai dedomeno, einai aytonohto. Kaneis, akoma kai an qelei, den mporei na to apokrycei. Ti leme, omws. Leme oti gia th synolikh kinhsh ths oikonomias mas, gia thn parapera poreia kai ara, gia na exoyme synolika qetika apotelesmata gia oloys, h kinhsh ayth htan aparaithth, epibeblhmenh kai swsta sxediasthke etsi apo thn Kybernhsh. Profanws, se ameso xrono qa yparxei mia ayjhsh toy plhqwrismoy. Ayto epibarynei sygkekrimenoys. Epibarynei toys katanalwtes. O stoxos mas, epanalambanw, opws anakoinwqhke apo ton Ypoyrgo Eqnikhs Oikonomias, einai o plhqwrismos sto telos toy xronoy na kinhqei sto problepomeno epipedo toy 2,5%. Ara, qa prepei na doyme kai na metrhsoyme ayth thn apwleia, poio qa einai to epipedo toy plhqwrismoy sth diarkeia kai sto telos toy xronoy. Kai qa epanalabw, ayth th stigmh kati poy exei kata thn apoch moy kai thn apoch ths Kybernhshs, idiaiterh shmasia. Ayth thn wra, ayto poy proexei einai h cyxraimh antimetwpish twn allagwn. H ejetash toys stis swstes toys diastaseis, xwris neyrikothta kai spasmwdikes antidraseis. Dioti, opws eipe xqes kai o Ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Oikonomias, an shmera kaqenas prospaqhsei na apokatasthsei amesws ayto poy fobatai oti qa xasei, tote pragmati, qa yparjei mia kinhtikothta stis agores, sth stash mas, stis kinhtopoihseis mas, stis apaithseis mas, h opoia qa meiwsei ta qetika kai qa ayjhsei ta opoia arnhtika. To epanalambanw, loipon. Qelei cyxraimh antimetwpish kai antidraseis me bash thn pragmatikothta.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Xqes, stis anakoinwseis poy ekane o k. Papantwnioy yphrje mia arketa ektetamenh anafora sto ryqmo, sto megeqos kai sthn poiothta, qa mporoyse na pei kaneis, ths epitaxynshs poy erxetai, oson afora tis idiwtikopoihseis.

AQANASAKHS: Exete dikio.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: To erwthma moy, loipon, einai to ejhs: An s' ayth thn poreia pros thn ONE kai gia to epomeno 18mhno, wste na sthrixqei h kinhsh poy ekane h Kybernhsh proxqes, exoyme ayth thn epektash, to erwthma poy antikeimenika tiqetai kai epanalambanw, mhn to eklabete ws eirwneia, s' ayth thn poreia pros thn ONE kai otan fqasoyme, an fqasoyme pote, qa exei meinei tipota ellhniko s' ayth th xwra; Qa exei meinei kati, poy en pash periptwsei, qa anhkei sto Dhmosio ayths ths xwras;

AQANASAKHS: To "an qa exei meinei kati ellhniko s' ayth th xwra", profanws diaferei apo to "an qa exei meinei kati sto Dhmosio, s' ayth th xwra". Yparxei mia ejelijh se o,ti afora tis epixeirhseis toy Dhmosioy, ton kratiko elegxo, thn kratikh idiokthsia kai ola ayta. Ayta exoyn ejhghqei kai to plaisio sto opoio kinoymaste einai dedomeno. Yparxei mia epitaxynsh pragmati, s' ayta poy exoyme ejaggeilei kai se kapoia pososta ...

KARAGIANNH: Sto plaisio twn diarqrwtikwn allagwn. H Kybernhsh skeptetai sto epomeno diasthma na proxwrhsei se allagh toy nomoqetikoy plaisioy poy dinei ena plafon 49%, an den kanw laqos, gia th metoxopoihsh twn kratikwn epixeirhsewn kai organismwn;

AQANASAKHS: Oxi, s' ayta poy exei pei gia tis epixeirhseis koinhs wfeleias, gia tis epixeirhseis aytes menei to 49%. Yparxoyn kapoies alles epixeirhseis gia tis opoies perimenoyme tis eishghseis twn symboylwn metoxopoihshs, gia na apofasistoyn ta pososta ta opoia mporoyn na metoxopoihqoyn, alla den miloyme gia tis epixeirhseis koinhs wfeleias.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Genike, dhladh apo dw kai pera, poion oro mporoyme na xrhsimopoioyme; Metoxopoihsh h idiwtikopoihsh, gia na jekaqaristei ayto to qema.

AQANASAKHS: Qa elega oti mporeite na xrhsimopoieite kai toys dyo, an isxyei to ena h to allo.

SOYGLERHS: Qa ginei epilogh kapoiwn DEKO, dhladh;

AQANASAKHS: Anatrejte sthn prohgoymenh apanthsh moy kai stis dhlwseis toy Ypoyrgoy Eqnikhs Oikonomias.

SOYGLERHS: O k. Papantwnioy htan ...

AQANASAKHS: ... Den jerw gia th diwryga ths Korinqoy, as poyme, ti qa eishghqei o Symboylos metoxopoihshs. An eseis eishghqeite na meinei nte kai kala to 51%, egw qa to metaferw. Sas fernw ena paradeigma. Sas eipa, to plaisio to edwsa. An me pate epixeirhsh-epixeirhsh, profanws den mporw na sas apanthsw. Paw se oles tis kathgories kai lew, sthn koinh wfeleia exoyme 49%, stis loipes poy anakoinwqhkan perimenoyme opoy exoyn oristei h opoy orizontai symboyloi metoxopoihshs, tis eishghseis gia na ektimhqoyn oi eishghseis aytes kai na lhfqoyn apofaseis. Nomizw oti orqws metaferw thn politikh sto shmeio ayto, me thn opoia den asxoloymai kai kaqe mera, qa prepei na omologhsw.

MOYRTZHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa parameinete stis eleyqeres syllogikes diapragmateyseis...

AQANASAKHS: Bebaiws.

MOYRTZHS: ...metajy idiwtwn kai ergazomenwn me mia ekklhsh na parameinoyn sto plafon toy 2,5% h se periptwsh poy jefygei ayto, ejetazete to endexomeno mias prajhs nomoqetikoy periexomenoy poy qa pagwnei misqoys kai ...

AQANASAKHS: Prwton, se o,ti afora tis syllogikes diapragmateyseis, qa epanalabw o,ti exei anakoinwqei ews twra: H systash ths Kybernhshs einai to 2,5% na einai odhgos aytwn twn diapragmateysewn. H Kybernhsh den mporei na epembei stis diapragmateyseis aytes kai, opws rhta dhlwse, xqes, o Ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Oikonomias, den yparxei periptwsh nomoqetikhs ryqmishs.

DHMAKAS: Sto krisimo prwto 10hmero toy Febroyarioy poy parqhke h apofash gia thn entajh. Eipate, loipon, oti ekei to krisimo htan me kapoioys deiktes kai idiaitera o plhqwrismos. Mporeite na ginetai pio safhs;

AQANASAKHS: Ayto edine th dynatothta. Ayto htan aparaithto, htan proypoqesh.

DHMAKAS: Htan to xamhlotero shmeio poy eixe fqasei o plhqwrismos tote h opoios allos deikths, giati eipate kyriws...

AQANASAKHS: Htan gyrw sto 4,3%...

DHMAKAS: 4,3% htan kai ton Oktwbrio.

AQANASAKHS: Oi paragontes einai polloi, k. Dhmaka.

DHMAKAS: Na mas toys apariqmhsete.

AQANASAKHS: Isws, oxi oloys, alla mporw na sas ferw kapoia paradeigmata gia na deite oti to pragma einai pio synqeto kai na ferw ena paradeigma poy moy erxetai sto myalo ayth th stigmh. Loipon, as poyme, ypoqesh: an eikosi meres prin hmastan me krish kai anaflejh ston Kolpo, hmastan me alles times toy petrelaioy, qa eixe ayto epiptwsh sthn apofash mas h oxi; H apanthsh mporei na einai nai h oxi, alla to qetw ws parametro poy prepei na ektimhqei. An dhladh, perimenw mia ptwsh twn timwn twn kaysimwn kanw ena logariasmo, an perimenw mia ektinajh twn timwn twn kaysimwn qa kanw allo logariasmo. Efera ayto to paradeigma, alla pisteyw oti kai oi synadelfoi toy oikonomikoy reportaz kai to Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Oikonomias mporei na sas dwsei analytika to plaisio. O deikths dhladh toy plhqwrismoy mporei na breqhke se kapoia fash kai ena dekato h enamish dekato parakatw, alla mporei na mhn htan o deikths toy elleimmatos. Mporei na mhn htan ...

DHMAKAS: Gi' ayto sas zhthsa thn apariqmhsh aytwn ...

AQANASAKHS: Thn apariqmhsh sas parakalw na th zhthsete apo to Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Oikonomias. Egw eisagw th diastash twn pollwn parametrwn.

PARIS: Qa mporoysate na mas kanete thn ektimhsh ths Kybernhshs, oson afora to deikth toy plhqwrismoy gia ton epomeno mhna;

AQANASAKHS: Den mporw na to apanthsw ayto, th stigmh poy gnwrizete oti genikws qewrhtika, an den kanw laqos, miloyn gia mia epiptwsh ths tajhs toy 1/3 toy yparxontos plhqwrismoy sto deikth. Den mporw, omws, milwntas me ektimhsh mhnos, na sas dwsw ayth th stigmh, times. Einai dedomeno, oti qa yparjei kapoia ayjhsh ston plhqwrismo. Kata to metro poy mporei na epembei h Kybernhsh, mesa apo tis diadikasies elegxwn klp, qa katablhqei kaqe dynath prospaqeia, oytws wste ayto na krathqei kai kyriws na mhn yparjei kerdoskopia. Dioti qa prepei kai oi katanalwtes na exoyn ypoch toys kai na prosexoyn oti den einai anagkastikh h ayjhsh twn timwn olwn twn proiontwn kata ena pososto. Ayto diabaqmizetai. Einai kai kapoia poy den yparxei logos na paroyn kamia ayjhsh. Alla, epanalambanw, o stoxos ths Kybernhshs einai sto telos toy xronoy na eimaste me to deikth poy eixame proapofasisei, me bash to 2,5%.

PARIS: Exei to baqos to Ellhniko Xrhmatisthrio gia tis metoxopoihseis h idiwtikopoihseis poy ginontai mesw aytoy na prowqhsei to 49% twn epixeirhsewn aytwn.

AQANASAKHS: Zhtate mia ektimhsh poy mporoyn na thn kanoyn oi eidikoi toy Xrhmatisthrioy. Nomizw oti kai oi shmerines antidraseis toy Xrhmatisthrioy deixnoyn tis diaqeseis toy kosmoy, o opoios metexei s' ayth th diadikasia. Kai den einai pia monon oi megaloi ependytes. Einai kai para polles xiliades polites. Profanws gia na apofasiseis ws Kybernhsh na proxwrhseis s' ayth th diadikasia, ektimas oti ayth h diadikasia qa erqei se peras.

XATZHDHMHTRIOY: Eipate oti apo to 1985 exoyme gnwrisei polla programmata staqeropoihshs, ejygianshs. Sthn paroysa fash h Kybernhsh poias diarkeias prosdoka na einai h anoxh twn ergazomenwn.

AQANASAKHS: H Kybernhsh den mporei na kanei ektimhsh panw s' ayto. H Kybernhsh mporei, omws, na epishmanei ayto poy eipa kai prin: thn anagkh cyxraimwn antidrasewn, thn anagkh ektimhshs twn pragmatikwn synqhkwn kai antistoixhs symperiforas olwn mas. Kai prepei kaneis na blepei to shmera, alla na blepei kai to ayrio. Dhladh, exoyme mia poreia sthn ejelijh twn eisodhmatwn sth xwra mas. Mporei eykola na miloyme gia "genikeymenh litothta", gia, den jerw posa, xronia. Alla kai oi deiktes kai h pragmatikh katastash leei se kapoies periodoys alla pragmata. Dhladh, exw pragmati metrhmeno kai me toys deiktes meion 13% sto eisodhma twn ergazomenwn thn periodo '90-'93, alla exw toylaxiston syn 12-12,5% thn periodo '94-'97'. Ayto einai dedomeno. Epimeroys strwmata mporei na ypesthsan epiptwseis sthn prohgoymenh trietia, diaforetikes apo to deikth syn 12-13% poy anaferw, alla ayth einai h ejelijh twn eisodhmatwn. Kai gi' ayto, otan akoyw anakoinwsh poy leei oti: "h Kybernhsh toy PASOK einai h xeiroterh Kybernhsh ths teleytaias 25etias" -ypenqymizw oti sthn teleytaia 25etia eixame dyo Kybernhseis K. Karamanlh, mia G. Rallh, mia K. Mhtsotakh kai den qymamai kai poia allh ektos PASOK- otan lene oti "h Kybernhsh PASOK einai h xeiroterh Kybernhsh ths teleytaias 25etias", den jerw ti anapolei kaneis kai ti anamnhseis exei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati efoson edw kai dyo mhnes jerate oti prokeitai na kanete thn ypotimhsh, phge h Kybernhsh kai ekane ayto to daneio me dysmeneis oroys kai epibarynqhke me alla 65, 70 dis. epipleon.

AQANASAKHS: H xwra, opws gnwrizete -oxi gia na plhrwsei ta daneia toy teleytaioy xronoy, alla mesa s' ena kyklo apoplhrwmhs daneiwn poy erxontai apo para polla xronia- exei ena programma ejwterikoy daneismoy, poy qa xreiazotan oytws h allws. Prwton, to ean to teleytaio daneio eixe lhfqei prin h meta thn prosarmogh ths isotimias, den exei thn paramikrh shmasia, dioti h ejoflhsh toy qa arxisei me tis sygkekrimenes isotimies. Deyteron, epishs shmantiko, h apofash gia thn entajh mas sto mhxanismo twn nomismatikwn isotimiwn, den einai dikh mas apofash mono. Dhladh, apo thn wra poy emeis apofasizame na kinhqoyme me ayto ton tropo qewrwntas oti exoyme ta dedomena kai oti kalyptame tis proypoqeseis qa eprepe na yparjei symfwnia twn 14 etairwn. O xronos poy qa eixame ayth th symfwnia, h periodos diaboyleyshs h to ean qa eprepe na pas kapoio diasthma meta, den ejartiotan apo emas. Ara, den mporoyses na anatreceis to programma ejwterikoy daneismoy ths xwras, poy kalyptei ena meros mono toy synolikoy programmatos daneismoy gia thn apoplhrwmh prohgoymenwn kai trexoyswn anagkwn ths xwras. Den mporoyse na anatrapei to programma ayto. Den qelw na pw kai to oti an to ekanes qa edines ena deigma oti kati pas na kaneis me thn isotimia. Den einai ayto. Einai to oti h apofash den ejartiotan apo esena. Den htan dikh soy apokleistika apofash, oytws wste na apofasiseis na anatreceis mia diadikasia h opoia, an den katalhgame ekei poy katalhjame thn perasmenh Paraskeyh, qa epanerxosoyn meta me kaqysterhsh, exontas anatrecei to programma soy, ston ejwteriko daneismo ths xwras.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Anaferqhkate kai eseis ki alloi kybernhtikoi paragontes sto gegonos oti me thn eisodo ths draxmhs sto mhxanismo, qa exoyme mia omprela prostasias ths draxmhs...

AQANASAKHS: Den to eipa egw shmera etsi, alla nai, to lew kai egw.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: To erwthma moy einai giati sthn periptwsh ths draxmhs isxyei ayto, an kai exei katagrafei h periptwsh allwn nomismatwn allwn xwrwn me allh paragwgikh bash, opws h Agglia h h Italia, ypesthsan tetoia problhmata sta nomismata toys, h sterlina kai h lireta poy anagkasthkan na bgoyn ap' ton mhxanismo kai kaneis den toys prostateyse. Giati sthn periptwsh ths draxmhs na isxyei h periptwsh ths prostasias apo toys filoys kai etairoys.

AQANASAKHS: Dioti einai dedomenoi oi oroi. Einai kalytera panta apo to na kineisai monos soy, na kineisai mazi me ena systhma nomismatwn poy exoyn sygkekrimenes diakymanseis kai pera apo tis orismenes, sygkekrimenes diakymanseis mporei na exeis thn politikh diadikasia-apofash gia poly mikroterh zwnh -anaferqhke s' ayto o Ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Oikonomias- kai kineisai mazi me olo ayto to systhma. H draxmh, dhladh, payei na kineitai monh ths mono me bash tis dikes mas dynatothtes sthrijhs. Bebaiws, to erwthma einai ypoqetiko, dioti paramenw kai twra sth diatypwsh oti kai h prosarmogh einai tetoia poy den qa xreiastei na ginoyn alles epembaseis kai ta apotelesmata ths poreias ths eqnikhs oikonomias qa einai tetoia, poy den qa xreiazetai na antimetwpistoyn ta ypoqetika erwthmata poy qesate.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Epeidh diapistwsa oti enoxlhqhkate apo thn askhqeisa kritikh...

AQANASAKHS: Den enoxlhqhka. Eipa kati sygkekrimeno kai apanthsa se kati sygkekrimeno. Den eipa "epeidh genikws askeitai kritikh". H kritikh otan einai epoikodomhtikh ...

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Aisqanqhkate mia enoxlhsh apo thn kritikh poy askeitai apo diafores pleyres gia thn "xeiroterh Kybernhsh", ayth h opoia kyberna ton topo ayto to diasthma. Kai eipate, malista, poies anamnhseis exoyn aytoi poy askoyn ayth thn kritikh. Qa hqela me bash...

AQANASAKHS: Den prosferetai o xronos na kanete dhlwseis...

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Qa hqela me bash to mnhmoniko...

KIAOS: Ta 25 einai prin apo to '74 ...

AQANASAKHS: 25 xronia eipan, alla to agnohsa k. Mpogiopoyle. 25 eipan, alla topoqetoymai me bash ta 24.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Qa hqela me bash to mnhmoniko ths Kybernhshs na mas peite poia allh Kybernhsh exei pei "eyxaristoyme tis HPA" kai poia allh Kybernhsh epi twn hmerwn ths exei kataferei to 1/4 toy ellhnikoy plhqysmoy, na brisketai katw apo to orio ths ftwxias me ayjhtikes taseis.

AQANASAKHS: Exei eipwqei oti h "megalyterh gennaiothta einai h ypomonh" -kai yp' ayth thn ennoia dhlwnw gennaios- alla, parakalw. Me thn ennoia oti gia na apanthsw sto prwto erwthma sas, prepei na anoijw mia syzhthsh gia thn ejwterikh politikh, thn opoia mporoyme mia allh mera na kanoyme. Deyteron, kai pairnontas thn eykairia poy moy dinete, qa pw ena teleytaio gia na kleisoyme edw. Emeis, kai enswmatwnw s' ayto kai mia apanthsh se kritikh apo th N.D., h opoia den leei tipota epi ths politikhs. Exete akoysei qesh ths N.D. epi ths oysias, s' olo ayto to qema; Apo thn antipoliteysh genika mporei na mas erxontai diafora epiqeta, perissotero h ligotero ybristika h epikritika h kataggeltika apo ayto poy anefera prin ews oti allo. Gia men ta loipa kommata ths antipoliteyshs, den asxolhqhka idiaiterws, oxi giati ta ypobaqmizw. Asxolhqhka idiaitera me th N.D. dioti qewrhtika einai ena komma to opoio kapote, en pash periptwsei, exei prooptikh na kybernhsei. Kapote. Kai to komma, to opoio einai to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, apofeygei se kaqe periptwsh na pei ti politikh exei kai ti qa kanei. Sthn kalyterh periptwsh s' ayto edw to qema, to idiaitera shmantiko, mas leei oti eprepe na exoyn ginei diarqrwtikes allages gia na mh xreiastei h kinhsh. Oi diarqrwtikes allages me th logikh toy sok thn opoia proteine thn prohgoymenh fora, h opoia en pash periptwsei ws deigma ths, htan h periodos '90 -'93. Kai gi' ayto eipa, pairnw thn aformh kai na kleisw me ayto, gia na sas qymisw ti ginotan, apantwntas edw kai sto diko sas erwthma, k. Mpogiopoyle: To elleimma to 1993 htan 14 kai o plhqwrismos 14,4 kai eimaste shmera me elleimma 4 kai plhqwrismo 4,3. O ryqmos anaptyjhs, h ayjhsh toy AEP, to 1993 htan meion 1,6 kai to 1997 htan 3,5 kai oi ependyseis se staqeres times htan to '93 meion 3,5 kai einai shmera 11. Ayth einai h apostash poy dianyqhke, ayth einai h apostash poy eprepe na dianyqei gia na fqasoyme edw poy eimaste shmera. Ayta einai ta apotelesmata kai etsi qa proxwrhsoyme.

Sas eyxaristw.

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