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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS 9/5/96

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO k. DHMHTRH REPPA

Opws gnwrizete, o Prwqypoyrgos edexqh shmera ton Proedro ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias k. Gl. Klhridh. Antallajan apoceis sxetika me to Kypriako qema. O k. Prwqypoyrgos enhmerwse ton Kyprio Proedro gia tis episkeceis toy stis Hnwmenes Politeies kai stis xwres ths Eyrwphs. O k. Klhridhs enhmerwse gia o,ti sxetiko yparxei ayth thn periodo se sxesh me to Kypriako problhma, ton Ellhna Prwqypoyrgo. H syzhthsh htan apolytws epoikodomhtikh. Exoyn kanei dhlwseis oi dyo hgetes. Bebaiws - den qa mporoyse allwste na einai kai alliws - oi sxeseis Ellados - Kyproy paramenoyn sxeseis adelfikes. Kai pisteyoyme oti h koinh prospaqeia qa synexisqei to idio entona, wste na yparjoyn sygkekrimena apotelesmata sthn antimetwpish kai lysh, epiteloys, toy Kypriakoy problhmatos.

* Xqes sth Boylh egine syzhthsh gia to megalo qema poy apotelei kai konwniko problhma megisto, ths anergias. Sth syzhthsh ayth h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh edeije oti einai apofasismenh na synexisei th syneph kai apotelesmatikh politikh ths. Exei labei sygkekrimenes apofaseis. Yparxei prosxedio nomoy to opoio exei syzhthqei, opws gnwrizete, sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisqei to sygkekrimeno qema ths anergias. Ayth thn wra einai antikeimeno epejergasias kai syzhthshs to sxedio ayto, to opoio ekponhse to Ypoyrgeio Ergasias, me thn eyaisqhsia poy exei o k. Giannopoylos gia to megalo ayto koinwniko problhma, sto plaisio ths Oikonomikhs kai Koinwnikhs Epitrophs (OKE). Se dekapente peripoy hmeres qa exei oloklhrwqei aytos o dialogos, ayth h epejergasia kai ws nomosxedio qa katateqei sth Boylh. Pisteyoyme oti einai mia shmantikh parembash sth desmh metrwn poy exei h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh gia thn antimetwpish megalwn problhmatwn kai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh gia thn antimetwpish toy qematos ths anergias. H Nea Dhmokratia pisteyoyme oti apo th dikh ths pleyra edeije pws kai qeseis den diaqetei kai o logos ths paramenei logos parwxhmenos kai anajiopistos. O k. Ebert anamashse metra politikhs ta opoia eixe epixeirhsei h Nea Dhmokratia thn periodo 1990 - '93 me oleqria apotelesmata. Ayto to opoio sygkrathsa- me oloi einai h apeilh toy k. Ebert pws, an kybernhsei h Nea Dhmokratia, qa odhghsei se seira apokratikopoihsewn - exei katalogo oloklhro sthn omilia toy - se jepoylhma dhladh kai pali toy dhmosioy kai eqnikoy ploytoy. Gi' ayto o k. Ebert leei oti prepei na eimaste apo twra proetoimasmenoi. Emeis eimaste proetoimasmenoi, o ellhnikos laos sto synolo toy na apokroysei tis opoies prospaqeies toy k. Ebert na ginei Prwqypoyrgos.

* O Prwqypoyrgos qa exei synanthseis shmera pali me Ypoyrgoys. Sas einai gnwsto ayto. To anaferw mono kai mono gia na mhn ejaxqoyn symperasmata ek toy logoy oti den to anefera. H mia synanthsh einai twra, stis 13:00, me ton k. Arsenh kai to apogeyma stis 19:00 qa synergasqei me ton k. Laliwth.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Ton k. Tzoxatzopoylo exei kairo na dei...

REPPAS: Poia einai h erwthsh;

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: An qa ton dei.

REPPAS: Nomizw oti kai xqes o enas eide ton allo sto plaisio ths synedriashs ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas.

KACAMPELHS: Toso konta!

REPPAS: Toso konta...

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Epeidh balate mia momfh apo pleyras Kybernhsews kata twn apokratiko- poihsewn, to PASOK einai enantion twn apokratikopoihsewn;

REPPAS: To PASOK exei mia politikh merikwn metoxopoihsewn. Akoloyqhse sthn prajh thn politikh ayth. Exoyme mia efarmogh ths politikhs sthn periptwsh toy OTE. Alla bebaiws, yparxei terastia diafora apo thn politikh ayth h opoia ejasfalizei me oroys diafaneias ta symferonta toy Dhmosioy kai thn politikh thn opoia h Nea Dhmokratia prospaqhse na efarmosei kai mas apeilei oti qa akoloyqhsei, an pote ginei Kybernhsh, mia politikh h opoia odhgei mono kai mono sto na kalyfqoyn tameiakes anagkes toy Dhmosioy. Oxi na yposthrixqei o eksyxronismos kai h anaptyjh organismwn poy shmera anhkoyn sto Dhmosio. Ara, na yparjei mia synolikh anaptyjiakh wqhsh sthn oikonomia ths xwras. Einai mia politikh h opoia qewroyme oti einai katastrofikh gia to dhmosio symferon.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Giati anaferate th lejh "apeilh"; Einai h politikh enos kommatos.

REPPAS: Emeis, k. Kwnstantinidh, xrhsimopoioyme lejeis poy me to "xrwma" toys dhlwnoyn oti h politikh ayth an efarmosqei sthn Ellada einai oleqria. Epeidh akribws mia politikh an efarmosqei kai apodeixqei oti einai oleqria einai mia politikh poy prepei na qewreitai oti isodynamei me apeilh, an dhladh qa katorqwsei na ginei kybernhtikh politikh. To endexomeno, dhladh, na ginei kybernhtikh politikh, einai mia apeilh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Epeidh hmoyn kai egw xqes ekei, sth Boylh, kai den akoysa gia thn anergia polla pragmata kai akoysa alla, loipon eseis, poia stelexh ths Neas Dhmokratias emplekontai sthn perifhmh symbash gia ta chfiaka; Den eipate onomata xqes. Mhpws mporeite na mas peite shmera;

REPPAS: Epeidh qetete to qema k. Stamatopoyle, qa kanw aplws ena sxolio gia na kleisei to qema. Allwste, nomizw oti o kyklos syzhthshs oloklhrwqhke sto xwro poy einai o pleon endedeigmenos gia na anaptyssontai tetoioy eidoys syzhthseis kai na ejelissontai oi politikes antiparaqeseis: sthn Ellhnikh Boylh. O k. Ebert isxyrisqhke oti yparxoyn Ypoyrgoi oi opoioi kaqodhgoyntai apo jena h epixeirhmatika, opws leei sth grapth omilia toy, kentra. O k. Ebert den qemeliwse to xarakthrismo toy. Apoklhqhke sykofanths kai apo ton Prwqypoyrgo kai apo emena. Kai anti, o k. Ebert na epidiwjei, toylaxiston, epistrateyontas opoies dynameis exei, na apodeijei toys isxyrismoys toy, antestrece - kai ayth htan h apanthsh toy -thn syzhthsh sto an me kalyce emena o Prwqypoyrgos h oxi. O k. Ebert apoklhqhke sykofanths. Den ekane kati gia na aposeisei ayth thn kathgoria apo panw toy. H monh syzhthsh me sygkekrimena stoixeia, epi tetoioy qematos poy exei ginei sthn Ellhnikh Boylh exei ginei palaiotera me prwtoboylia - qymaste - toy k. Mhtsotakh. Qewroyme oti h stash toy k. Ebert den einai stash enos ypeyqynoy politikoy andra, poly perissotero otan o politikos andras einai Arxhgos enos megaloy kommatos kai pisteyoyme oti mia tetoia symperifora einai symperifora poy den mporei na ejasfalisei ston k. Ebert kai sto komma toy opoiadhpote politikh prokoph.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Apanthsh den moy dwsate.

REPPAS: Ayth thn apanthsh edwsa.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eseis eipate gia onomata, gia stelexh ths Neas Dhmokratias poy emplekontai se ayth thn istoria me ta chfiaka. Poioi einai;

REPPAS: Kyrie Stamatopoyle, eipa kai pali oti sygkekrimenh syzhthsh me stoixeia eixe ginei palaiotera me prwtoboylia toy k. Mhtsotakh. O k. Ebert den proskomise kanena stoixeio. Egw eipa oti qa eprepe na einai pio prosektikos o k. Ebert otan ektojeyei aytes tis sykofanties xwris na mporei na apodeijei to dikaio twn isxyrismwn toy, poly perissotero otan stelexh kai synergates toy fainetai oti exoyn kapoia anamijh se drasthriothtes epixeirhmatikwn kyklwn poy analambanoyn tetoioy eidoys drasthriothtes kai exoyn sxesh me to dhmosio.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate sykofanth ton k. Ebert, epeidh eipe "Ypoyrgoi"...

REPPAS: Oxi, anaferqhke proswpika se mena...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Twra omws kai eseis eipate kati gia onomata (den akoygetai)... Den fobaste mhpws sas poyn kai esas sykofanth;

REPPAS: As moy apeyqynei ayth thn kathgoria o k. Ebert kai opoios apo thn Nea Dhmokra- tia... Ayth einai h apanthsh poy edwsa. H syzhthsh sta praktika ths Boylhs einai katageg- grammenh. Ta symperasmata einai dika sas me bash ta osa emeis eipame.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Apo ayth th syzhthsh rwtaw egw. Den me noiazei ti kanei o Ebert emena.

REPPAS: Eipa kai pali oti h politikh antiparaqesh prepei na ginetai se ena epipedo poly diaforetiko apo ayto sto opoio xqes ejelixqhke h syzhthsh. En pash periptwsei, h stash toy k. Ebert, thn opoia kai pali kaythriazw, einai mia stash poy den mporei na toy prosporhsei opoiodhpote ofelos, kommatiko h proswpiko, den mporei na exei ws apotelesma opoiadhpote politikh prokoph.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den moy apantate.

REPPAS: Apantw me ton tropo poy epilegw egw.

MOYRTZHS: O ypainigmos sas gia stelexh kai synergates einai safhs. Ayto fainetai apo to porisma toy Elegktikoy Synergioy poy anaferei oti o Ekproswpos ths Neas Dhmokratias, o k. Prokophs Paylopoylos gnwmodothse yper twn apocewn toy k. Kokkalh. Ekei anaferesqe h kapoy alloy;

REPPAS: Ayto einai kati to opoio gnwrizete. Einai ena stoixeio gnwsto. Ajiologeiste eseis to baros poy exei to stoixeio ayto kai tis epiptwseis toy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den to gnwrizoyme.

REPPAS: To eqese o k. Moyrtzhs. To gnwrizete twra poy to eipe o k. Moyrtzhs poy einai pio enhmerwmenos apo sas.

GARGALAKOS: O k. Prokophs Paylopoylos einai enas shmantikos paragontas, asxeta apo th qesh poy exei kai pws thn askei, gia th gnwmodothsh toy. An einai mia episthmonikh gnwmodothsh, thn enoxopoieite; Enoxopoieite ton k. Paylopoylo poy ekane mia episthmonikh gnwmodothsh;

REPPAS: Den enoxopoiei kaneis kanenan, giati den nomimopoieitai.

GARGALAKOS: Nai, alla afhnete mia skia gia kapoio proswpo.

REPPAS: Kammia skia den dhmioyrgw. Aplws - epanalambanw kai pali - einai poly - poly adiko, sykofantiko, o k. Ebert na kathgorei xwris stoixeia politikoys antipaloys, synadelfoys toy thn wra poy gnwrizei oti to komma to diko toy kai stelexh dika toy, exoyn kathgorhqei gia tetoioy eidoys drasthriothtes apo ton k. Mhtsotakh sto parelqon. Kai bebaiws to stoixeio sto opoio anaferqhke o k. Moyrtzhs me prohgoymenh erwthsh, einai stoixeio to opoio egw den sxoliasa. Den qa sxoliasw egw thn epaggelmatikh drasthriothta poy eixe o k. Paylopoylos. Kaqe Ellhnas exei to dikaiwma na exei thn epaggelmatikh toy drasthriothta thn opoia o idios epilegei h mporei na exei.

GARGALAKOS: Den ton enoxopoieite dhladh;

REPPAS: Den enoxopoiw kapoion epeidh exei mia epaggelmatikh drasthriothta. O k. Paylopoylos einai enas episthmonas, einai kaqhghths, prosefere fantazomai me amoibh tis yphresies toy ston k. Kokkalh h opoy alloy, prokeimenoy na syntajei th gnwmodothsh toy. Ayto einai dikaiwma toy. Gia ayto akribws eipa ston k. Moyrtzh oti den to sxoliazw. Ayto einai qema, to opoio gnwrizete eseis. Dhmosiografoi eisqe, bgazete eseis ta symperasmata sas. Egw asfalws den to sxoliazw.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw den to hjera. Prwth fora to akoysa.

REPPAS: Se tetoia mikropreph politikh, oyte h Kybernhsh, oyte egw proswpikws eimai diateqeimenos na mpw.

STAMATOPOYLOS: To rijate omws kai to afhsate na trexei...

REPPAS: Kyrie Stamatopoyle, sas parakalw poly. Den erija apolytws tipota. Giati egw "den rixnw adeia gia na piasw gemata". Milw eyqews, yperaspizomai tis apoceis moy, yperaspizomai me tis mikres dynameis moy to kybernhtiko ergo kai parakalw, opws kai o laos kai eseis, mporeite na me krinete, na xarakthrizete opws to kanete eleyqerws - einai apolyta kai sebasto apo mena diko sas ayto to dikaiwma - alla parakalw h syzhthsh na ginetai me ena tetoio tropo kai se ena tetoio epipedo poy qa mas tima oloys.

SOYGLERHS: O k. Ebert ekane anafora kai sas kathgorhse kai gia ta kazino kai gia ta chfiaka. Ena sxolio qa hqela.

REPPAS: Gia ta chfiaka eipame. Gia to kazino, h ka Papandreoy efarmozei thn politikh poy omofwnws apofasise h Kybernhtikh Epitroph. H ka Papandreoy den efarmozei proswpikh politikh.Yparxei omofwnh apofash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs gia to sygkekrimeno qema. Thn apofash ayth ylopoiei sto plaisio ths kybernhtikhs politikhs h ka Papandreoy.

SOYGLERHS: Giati den milhse h ka Papandreoy;

REPPAS: Ma, h ka Papandreoy den eixe kanena logo na milhsei, doqentos oti h politikh thn opoia askei - epanalambanw kai pali - den einai proswpikh politikh. Einai politikh poy exei apofasisqei omofwnws sta plaisia ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs.

MELETHS: San genikh arxh, k. Ypoyrge, pws ektimate to gegonos oti anqrwpoi poy den katexoyn politikes qeseis, sta kommata kai sth dhmosia zwh genikotera, na emplekontai epaggelmatika me ypoqeseis pollwn disekatommyriwn poy exoyn sxesh me to Dhmosio;

REPPAS: Kyrie Meleth pisteyoyme oti sth dhmosia zwh, sthn politikh leitoyrgia prepei na yparxei kaqestws plhroys diafaneias. Ginontai prospaqeies shmantikes ta teleytaia xronia. Pisteyoyme oti h Kybernhsh exei parei prwtoboylies me nomosxedia sygkekrimena prokeimenoy na dhmioyrghsei toys oroys gia thn plhrh diafaneia sthn dhmosia zwh. Qewroyme pws kaqe Ellhnas poliths exei ta dikaiwmata kai tis ypoxrewseis poy aporreoyn h problepontai apo to Syntagma kai toys nomoys. H epaggelmatikh drasthriothta thn opoia o kaqe poliths anaptyssei, efoson einai synnomh drasthriothta, den mporei na kathgorhqei apo opoiondhpote allo polith. Bebaiws aytos o opoios telika krinei poioi qa einai oi ekproswpoi toy, poioi qa apotelesoyn - an qelete - to stelexiako dynamiko ths politikhs zwhs ths xwras einai o idios o ellhnikos laos. O ellhnikos laos, as labei ypoch toy ta stoixeia ta opoia synqetoyn th zwh kaqe ypochfioy na eiselqei sthn ellhnikh Boylh kai as parei tis apofaseis toy. Einai kyriarxos o ellhnikos laos, einai o telikos kriths olwn.

MAYROS: Ypainixqhkate merikh sxesh kapoiwn proskeimenwn sthn Nea Dhmokratia stelexwn me ta chfiaka. Isws einai peritto alla to kanoyme. To prwto ekatommyrio chfiakwn syndesewn sth sygkekrimenes etaireies doqhke me synapofash twn k.k. Flwrakh - Mhtsotakh kai Papandreoy. Kai sto deytero epese h Kybernhsh kai qa epefte h Kybernhsh Papandreoy. Exete thn kalosynh na mas peite se poio apo ta dyo ekatommyria chfiakwn anaferetai h emplokh poy yponoeite eseis stelexwn ths Neas Dhmokratias.

REPPAS: Kyrie Mayro h emplokh twn stelexwn exei epishmanqei h kataggelqei egkyrws qa elega kai epishmws se synedriash ths Ellhnikhs Boylhs apo ton k. Mhtsotakh.

KIAOS: Epeidh epanerxesqe synexeia ston k. Mhtsotakh hqela na rwthsw an yponoeite ayto poy eipe pws ton erije h ypoqesh toy OTE me ton Kokkalh.

REPPAS: To eipe o k. Mhtsotakhs.

KIAOS: Eseis dhladh to yioqeteite ayto;

REPPAS: Ma, egw den eimai ap' aytoys oyte kapoios allos apo thn Kybernhsh o opoios h oi opoioi symmeteixame stis drasthriothtes ekeinhs ths periodoy gi' ayto to qema. O k.Mhtsotakhs htan Prwqypoyrgos. Fantazomai oti exei mia kalyterh - gia na mhn pw mia aristh gnwsh - toy ti synebaine tote. Kai oi kataggelies stis opoies exei probei einai kataggelies tis opoies oloi exoyme ypoch mas kai oloi bgazoyme ta symperasmata mas. Oydeis, egw h kapoios allos apo thn Kybernhsh, exoyme apo prwto xeri opoiadhpote gnwsh twn oswn eginan ekeinh thn periodo. Den qa mporoyse allwste na ginei kai alliws.

GARGALAKOS: To yioqeteite;

REPPAS: Ma, apo th stigmh poy den exoyme amesh gnwsh pws mporoyme na ta yioqethsoyme h na ta aporricoyme; Ayto einai kati poy to gnwrizoyn oloi kai bgazoyn ta symperasmata toys.

PAPAKWNSTANTINOY: Ta osa anaferate peri stelexwn ths Neas Dhmokratias aforoyn kai thn ypoqesh twn kazino h thn ypoqesh twn chfiakwn paroxwn;

REPPAS: Kyrie Papakwnstantinoy, milhsa gia to qema poy afora emena proswpika kai edwsa apanthseis se sygkekrimenes kathgories poy apeyqynqhkan se mena. Exw gnwsh twn oswn aforoyn to xwro ths dikhs moy drasthriothtas kai twn dikwn moy dhlwsewn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ta stelexh poy ypainixqhkate anhkoyn sto periballon toy k. Ebert;

REPPAS: Den ekana kanenan ypainigmo k. Stamatopoyle. Gia pollosth fora epanalambanw oti oi sygkekrimenes anafores gia tetoioy eidoys drasthriothtes, exoyn ginei apo ton k. Mhtsotakh, aforoyn stelexh ths Neas Dhmokratias ta opoia onomase o k. Mhtsotakhs tote kai einai ta mona stoixeia ta opoia exoyn anaferqei sygkekrimena sthn Ellhnikh Boylh gia tetoia qemata. Apo ekei kai pera den enoxopoiw kanenan allon.

KARASABA: Qa hqela na rwthsw, an exei h Kybernhsh epishmh diabebaiwsh apo toys Amerikanoys elegktes oti qa arqei h nota gia to aerodromio toy Ellhnikoy. An den arqei, qa proxwrhsei h Kybernhsh se diabhma;

REPPAS: Exei yparjei anakoinwsh kai oxi akribws odhgia, nota, opws thn onomazete eseis, gia to sygkekrimeno qema. Oi Yphresies twn HPA poy einai armodies gia to qema, tis hmeres poy perasan, synergasqhkan me tis Ellhnikes Yphresies. Ekanan toys elegxoys toys sto Ellhniko Aerodromio. Exoyn, pisteyoyme, bgalei ta telika symperasmata toys. Kai epeidh, akribws, qewroyme oti oi synqhkes asfaleias sto aerodromio toy Ellhnikoy einai sto epipedo ekeino, poy oydeis epitrepetai na topoqetei ayto to aerodromio se mia mayrh lista apo apoch synqhkwn asfaleias, oi Yphresies twn HPA, sthn ekqesh thn opoia qa diatypwsoyn, den einai dynaton na agnohsoyn ayth thn pragmatikothta. Anamenoyme thn ekqesh toys kai elpizoyme na einai symfwnh me ayto to opoio h pragmatikothta leei: Oti oi synqhkes asfaleias sto aerodromio ikanopoioyn toys oroys, oi opoioi exoyn teqei apo Dieqneis Organismoys.

KARASABA: An den...;

REPPAS: "An den", qa sas apanthsw kai egw: tote. Alla, as to doyme ayto to "den". Mhn eiste toso kathgorhmatikh, giati mporei na kanoyme kai syzhthsh xwris na yparxei logos.

SKOYRHS: Ep'aytoy: Poioi ekanan ereyna sto aerodromio toy Ellhnikoy;

REPPAS: Ke Skoyrh, yparxei mia synergasia apo palaiotera. H synergasia ayth egine meta apo thn anakoinwsh poy exei ekdoqei kai tis parastaseis poy ekane h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh diatypwnontas thn antiqesh kai th diafwnia ths gia th sygkekrimenh qesh. Epanalhfqhke aytes tis hmeres. Pisteyoyme oti oi apoceis mias xwras h enos Dieqnoys Organismoy gia tis synqhkes poy epikratoyn se ena aerodromio, den mporei na pernoyn aparathrhtes. Poly perissotero, otan aforoyn to prwto aerodromio ths xwras.

SKOYRHS: Den prokeitai peri Organismoy.

REPPAS: Einai apo to Ypoyrgeio Metaforwn. To Ypoyrgeio Metaforwn twn HPA exei ena endiaferon na enhmerwsei toys epibates poy kinoyntai apo th xwra ekeinh sth dikh mas xwra. Yparxoyn synergasies se polloys tomeis. Kai nomizw oti ayta ta problhmata, ta opoia ek twn pragmatwn odhgoyn polles fores se diafwnies h se sygkroyseis, kalo einai na antimetwpizo- ntai me synergasia. Den prepei na antimetwpizoyme ayta ta qemata me enan arnhtismo, o opoios mas adikei ws pros tis diaqeseis poy exoyme na antimetwpisoyme sygkekrimena problhmata. Kai en pash periptwsei, qa moy epitrecete na pw mia qesh, ws ena geniko kanona, na yparxei dialogos, synennohsh kai synergasia, wste na antimetwpizontai kapoia problhmata, eite einai megala problhmata opws h tromokratia - poy yparxei synergasia - eite einai problhmata poly sygkekrimena kai apta, opws ayta ta opoia kapoioi entopisan oti yparxoyn sto aerodromio toy Ellhnikoy.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: En ocei twn eklogwn sthn Albania, protiqetai h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh na dieykolynei th metakinhsh ekei Ellhnwn h Albanwn poy briskontai sthn Ellada, eggyoymenh thn epistrofh toys sthn Ellada;

REPPAS: H Ellhnikh Kybernhsh ejetazei ayto to qema, asxoleitai me ayto to qema aytes tis hmeres kai qa labei tis apofaseis ths.

GARGALAKOS: Oi synanthseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy, poy anakoinwsate, me ton k. Arsenh kai ton k. Laliwth, exoyn ws antikeimeno to ti prepei na ginei en ocei toy Synedrioy;

REPPAS: Oi synanthseis aytes einai sto plaisio twn synanthsewn poy exei o Prwqypoyrgos me Ypoyrgoys. Synergazetai gia qemata armodiothtas twn Ypoyrgeiwn. Kai bebaiws, oi syzhthseis aytes epeidh aforoyn stelexh ta opoia exoyn mia ychlh qesh sto Kinhma poy sthrizei thn Kybernhsh, logiko einai na ypoqesei kaneis oti xwris na yparxei sygkekrimenh "atzenta", qa ektaqoyn kai se antallagh apocewn gia alla qemata.

KACAMPELHS: Aney orwn dialogos, dhladh.

KIAOS: Malista, meta th xqesinh omilia toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada...

REPPAS: Sxoliasame thn omilia xqes.

KIAOS: Oxi, h epektash poy lete xwris hmerhsia diatajh...

REPPAS: Oxi. Lew, logiko einai na ypoqesei kaneis. Akoyste, nomizw oti ypotimoyme th nohmosynh mas...

KIAOS: Oxi, erwtw egw...

REPPAS:... otan qelete na akoysete apo mena oti qa syzhthsoyn kai alla qemata. An einai dynaton, se mia tetoia synanthsh, estw kai poly liga lepta, na mhn yparjei mia antallagh apocewn gia kapoio allo qema;

KIAOS: Ayto da eleipe.

REPPAS: Etsi loipon. Ayto mporei na afora tis kairikes synqhkes. Th zesth poy yparxei. Mporei na afora tis diergasies gia to Synedrio.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Diapistwnete kai eseis anodo qermokrasias;

REPPAS: Gia to Synedrio, epeidh anebainei to qermometro, ayto lew.

STAMATOPOYLOS: "Anebainei to qermometro", e; Diapistwnete kai eseis anodo...

REPPAS: To qermometro toy PASOK den prokeitai na spasei pote. Ayth einai h diafora.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den exei ydrargyro.

REPPAS: Exei pyreto diergasiwn to PASOK, alla to qermometro einai poly anqektiko.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mhpws xreiazetai piesometro kai oxi qermometro;

REPPAS: Piesometro xreiazetai allos, nomizw, o opoios kai logw swmatodomhs kai logw synqhkwn sto komma toy, mporei na exei piesh. Kai jerete, gia na xaritologhsw, h piesh otan jeperna to 20, otan ftanei to 24, einai poly ychlh kai egkymonei kindynoys!

STAMATOPOYLOS: Exei polloys xontroys h Boylh...

GKANAS: H Kybernhsh kalyptetai apo tis xqesines dhlwseis toy k. Pagkaloy;

REPPAS: Ma, o k. Pagkalos ekfrazei kai xeirizetai thn ejwterikh politikh ths xwras. Kai h politikh ayth einai kybernhtikh politikh, asfalws. Qewroyme pws to qema ths entajhs ths Kyproy sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, einai ena qema to opoio den mporei na teqei ypo opoiadhpote diapragmateysh. Einai apofash, h opoia prepei na ylopoihqei, eyqys ws h Diakybernhtikh oloklhrwqei, me tis diadikasies synomiliwn poy qa arxisoyn tote.

MELETHS: Ti kainoyrgio proekyce; Giati ayto...

REPPAS: Ma, ana pasa stigmh, emeis exoyme logo na ekdhlwnoyme to endiaferon mas, wste to qema ths entajhs ths Kyproy sthn E.E. na paramenei qema epikairo. Qema poy apasxolei thn E.E., wste opoiadhpote prospaqeia mporei na anaptyxqei sthn kateyqynsh parempodishs ths entajiakhs diadikasias ths Kyproy sthn E.E., na antimetwpisqei sto jekinhma ths.

MAYROS: Sas rwthse gia to Aigaio...

MELETHS: Exei ekdhlwqei sto qema ayto kapoia prospaqeia allaghs;

REPPAS: Exoyme ypoch mas dhlwseis poy ginontai kata kairoys apo ajiwmatoyxoys, oti h proodos sthn antimetwpish toy kypriakoy problhmatos, einai proodos h opoia ephreazei eyqews kai amesws th diadikasia entajhs ths Kyproy sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Emeis pisteyoyme oti einai teleiws xwrista qemata. Kai h qesh poy diatypwse o k. Pagkalos afora thn epimonh kai apofasistikothta mas na yperaspisqoyme thn apofash poy hdh exei labei h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh gia thn entajh ths Kyproy.

MAYROS: O k. Pagkalos dhlwse oti yparxei kindynos sto Aigaio...

REPPAS: Ma, einai gnwsth h epektatikh, epiqetikh h apeilhtikh politikh thn opoia akoloyqei h Toyrkia. Einai mia politikh h opoia me bash toys stratiwtikoys sxediasmoys poy kanei h geitonikh xwra, qewroyme oti apotelei aitia entashs sto Aigaio. Emeis apeyxomeqa mia tetoia ejelijh. Eimaste etoimoi na thn antimetwpisoyme, na thn apotrecoyme opotedhpote hqele ekdhlwqei. Pisteyoyme, omws, oti to kalytero gia oloys kai gia thn Toyrkia qa einai na paraithqei apo ayth thn epektatikh politikh, thn opoia paroysiazei ta teleytaia xronia.

MAYROS: Einai poly pio sygkekrimenh h diatypwsh toy k. Pagkaloy, apo ayta ta aorista poy mas lete eseis.

REPPAS: Kanete pio sygkekrimena thn erwthsh sas, loipon.

MAYROS: Eipa sygkekrimena oti yparxei kindynos eisbolhs se nhsi toy Aigaioy. Me alla logia...

REPPAS: Exw edw tis dhlwseis toy. Qelete na sas tis diabasw;

DHMOSIOGRAFOI: Oxi, tis gnwrizoyme.

REPPAS: Afoy apofasizete eseis, eisaste "kyriarxoi" edw mesa.

SOYRMELH: Ke Ypoyrge, ti newtero yparxei poy prokalese tis dhlwseis, tis toso entones enantion ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, apo th Deytera mexri xqes; Giati th Deytera o Prwqypoyr- gos sth Boylh htan poly eytyxhs gia th synergasia ths Elladas me thn E.E. Xqes to brady, toylaxiston, ap'o,ti bgainei apo ton ellhniko Typo, oi dhlwseis toy Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn htan arketa "aixmhres". Ti newtero yphrje; Ti symbainei;

REPPAS: Den yparxei kati to qeamatika diaforetiko ap'ayto poy yphrxe prin apo liges hmeres. Kai den qa eixame ayth thn wra antikeimeno na syzhtoyme, ean den eixe episkefqei tis HPA o k. Pagkalos kai an den elambane meros se mia syzhthsh h opoia egine me th sygkekrimenh qematologia. O k. Pagkalos dexqhke erwthseis kai logiko htan na dwsei apanthseis. Kai anefere pragmata poy einai gnwsta, legontas oti einai logiko h E.E. na mhn mporei na antapokriqei s'ayto poy diatypwnetai ws stoxos ths, na exei dhladh mia koinh ejwterikh politikh kai politikh amynas, otan se ligotero oysiastika h shmantika qemata den mporei na ejasfalisei th symptwsh twn etairwn. Nomizw, oti - apantwntas se mia sxetikh erwthsh kai dinontas ayth thn apanthsh - o k. Pagkalos den ekane tipote allo para na epanalabei ayto poy einai gnwsto se oloys mas. Den yparxei kati kainoyrgio.

KWNSTANTHS: O k. Samaras shmera epanhlqe se palaioterh kataggelia toy pros thn Kybernhsh oti exei endwsei stis amerikanikes pieseis, na apodexqei apeyqeias dialogo me thn Toyrkia, kaqws kai th diaithsia se ekatontades braxonhsides. Poio einai to sxolio ths Kybernhshs;

REPPAS: O k. Samaras epididetai kata kairoys se epiqeseis kata ths Kybernhshs gia thn ejwterikh politikh poy akoloyqei. O k. Samaras exei askhsei o idios ejwterikh politikh kai eyqynetai apo polles pleyres gia tis arnhtikes synepeies ths ejwterikhs politikhs ekeinhs ths periodoy. Kai pisteyoyme oti aytos o opoios prepei na omilei ligotero ap'oloys einai o k. Samaras, giati exei apodeixqei "kakos Samareiths" ws Ypoyrgos gia ta eqnika qemata.

MPERMPERAKHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, exoyn epideinwqei oi ellhno-toyrkikes sxeseis meta th synanthsh toy Boykoyrestioy;

REPPAS: H synanthsh toy Boykoyrestioy anedeije qetika stoixeia ta opoia epishmaname tote. Alla, h synanthsh ekeinh efere sto fws nees diekdikhseis tis opoies eqese h Toyrkia, h opoia dia toy Ypoyrgoy ths milhse gia "gkrizes perioxes". Milhse gia mia ej arxhs ejetash twn oswn problepei h Synqhkh ths Lwzannhs, pragmata ta opoia mas briskoyn teleiws antiqetoys. To klima, loipon, stis sxeseis twn dyo xwrwn den mporei na beltiwqei oso h toyrkikh pleyra qetei monomerws diekdikhseis se baros ths Ellados. Kai ayto to epishmainoyme.

FILHS: Xqes dhmosieyqhke h apofash toy Eyrwpaikoy Dikasthrioy, symfwna me thn opoia katadikazetai h Ellada giati den efarmose thn koinotikh odhgia gia ta apoblhta. H apofash enw ypoblhqhke...

REPPAS: Exw diabasei thn AYGH kai gnwrizw to dhmosieyma. Mhn epanalambanete kanontas anagnwsh toy dhmosieymatos.

FILHS: Qelw ena politiko sxolio, giati yparxoyn politikes eyqynes. Otan h Kybernhsh adranei...

REPPAS: To sygkekrimeno qema afora ta sterea apoblhta kai thn enarmonish ths nomoqesias mas me sygkekrimenh koinotikh odhgia. H enarmonish ayth exei kaqysterhsei. Epanalambanw kathgorhmatika, omws, me ayth thn eykairia poy moy dinetai, oti yparxei h ypografh twn Ypoyrgwn s'ayth thn Diypoyrgikh Apofash. Syntoma qa dhmosieyqei sto fyllo ths Efhmeridas ths Kybernhshs kai aytomatws payei na yparxei h katadikh.

KIAOS: Sbhnei h katadikh;

REPPAS: Nai. Etsi einai h diadikasia.

FILHS: H deyterh erwthsh moy afora thn epiqesh poy dexqhke mia koyrdikh efhmerida apo agnwstoys. To sxolio sas.

REPPAS: Katadikazoyme tetoioy eidoys prajeis bias, oi opoies prospaqoyn na tromokrath- soyn thn kykloforia twn idewn kai twn apocewn s'ena xwro, opws einai h ellhnikh koinwnia, opoy h eleyqerotypia einai ena apo ta agaqa ta opoia exoyme katakthsei. Ta sebomaste kai prepei panta na ta yperaspizomaste. Katadikazoyme tetoioy eidoys energeies. Pisteyoyme oti oi Arxes oi opoies epilambanontai toy sygkekrimenoy peristatikoy qa exoyn sygkekrimeno porisma, gia na doyme poios akribws einai o ypaitios kai na apodwsoyme sygkekrimenes eyqynes.

PARIS: Symfwna me plhrofories, h kyria Basw Papandreoy synanthqhke me ekproswpoys ths Amerikanikhs Presbeias. Oi Amerikanoi eqesan qema toy kazino ths Qessalonikhs san ena test gia peraiterw amerikanikes ependyseis sthn Ellada. An, dhladh, allajei th nomoqesia, h Kybernhsh oson afora ta kazino, tote qa yparjei problhma me tis amerikanikes ependyseis;

REPPAS: Poia einai h erwthsh;

PARIS: An epalhqeyete tis synanthseis kai an h ka Papandreoy exei desmeyqei sthn amerikanikh pleyra oti...

REPPAS: H politikh ths Kybernhshs gia thn opoia omilw apo ayto to bhma, ayth thn wra, einai h gnwsth politikh oson afora ta kazino. Gia ta alla qemata, ta opoia aforoyn se leptomerei- es, parakalw apeyqynqeite sthn armodia Ypoyrgo.

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