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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS 2.2.96

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO k. DHMHTRH REPPA

MIXAHL: Mia dieykrinish, kyrie Ypoyrge: h Koinoboyleytikh Omada toy PASOK qa synedriasei thn Trith 6 Febroyarioy;

REPPAS: Asfalws. Sas exei hdh anakoinwqei oti h Koinoboyleytikh Omada toy PASOK qa synelqei thn 6h Febroyarioy.

FILHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, o Ekproswpos toy STATE DEPARTMENT k. Mperns dhlwse, kat' entolhn toy k. Kristofer, oti yparxei sto STATE DEPARTMENT enas katalogos apo braxonhsides sto Aigaio, (oi opoies symfwna me tis dieqneis synqhkes anhkoyn sthn Ellada) alla kata th gnwmh twn Hnwmenwn Politeiwn exoyn amfisbhtoymeno kaqestws. Poio einai to sxolio apo ellhnikhs pleyras;

REPPAS: To diko mas sxolio einai oti paramenoyme stis gnwstes qeseis mas. Einai anypoxwrh- th h stash ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs kai gia mas den yparxei kanena tetoio qema, to opoio qa prepei na mas apasxolei.

FILHS: Pws krinete ayth th dhlwsh toy k. Mperns;

REPPAS: Profanws, o k. Mperns agnoei ta dedomena ths perioxhs gia to sygkekrimeno qema.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, exoyme pia sygkekrimena dedomena: a) O k. Xolmproyk na leei o,ti leei stis synenteyjeis toy. Ep' aytoy qelw mia diaceysh h epibebaiwsh twn legomenwn toy k. Xolmproyk. Dhladh, an ceydetai h an leei alhqeia. b) Exoyme ta osa leei to STATE DEPARTMENT kai oi Amerikanoi ypo thn opoia idiothta toys. To deytero, loipon, erwthma moy einai to ejhs: Ti protiqetai sygkekrimena kai apo edw kai pera na kanei h Kybernhsh sta plaisia toy NATO, sta plaisia ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, se ola ta dieqnh FORA en pash periptwsei, opoy yparxei h dynatothta na kataggelqei h katoxh ellhnikoy edafoys apo jenh dynamh.

REPPAS: H Ellhnikh Kybernhsh exei kanei kai qa synexisei na kanei ta panta ta opoia me diplwmatiko tropo exei th dynatothta na kanei, wste na enhmerwsei tis alles xwres gia to dikaio twn qesewn mas afenos kai afeteroy gia thn epiqetikh kai proklhtikh stash ths Toyrkias, h opoia epibebaiwnei to rolo ths xwras ayths ws rolo enos dieqnoys tarajia. Exoyme epaneilhmmenws anaferqei sthn enhmerwsh poy egine se Presbeis jenwn xwrwn kai se epikefalhs megalwn Organismwn. H prospaqeia mas ayth qa synexisqei kai qa entaqei, wste leptomereiakws na enhmerwsoyme toys filoys gia tis dikes mas qeseis kai to dikaio twn qesewn mas. Pisteyw pws ekana mia anafora xqes oti to klima poy diamorfwnetai einai - qa elega - qetiko gia tis ellhnikes qeseis. Yparxei hdh mia qetikh antapokrish ws pros ayto kai ayto mas ikanopoiei. Anaferomai sto klima poy yparxei ayth thn wra stoys Presbeis se mia diadikasia enhmerwshs h synennohshs me thn Ellhnikh Kybernhsh. Gia ton k. Mperns kai ton k. Xolmproyk, milhsa prin. Kai epanerxomai kai twra sto oti mporoyn na krathsoyn tis dikes toys qeseis. Dieceysa omws xqes oti exoyme analabei opoiadhpote desmeysh h oti exoyme dexqei opoiondhpote oro, o opoios na mas metakinei apo thn gnwsth kai anypoxwrhth qesh mas oti den syzhtoyme qemata edafikhs kyriarxias kai askhshs kyriarxikwn mas dikaiwmatwn. Ayto einai dedomeno. Kai parakalw prepei na to dexqeite, opws sas to lew: H qesh mas einai ametakinhth. Qa moy epitrecete epishs - prolabainontas endexomenes erwthseis sas - na sas pw oti ws pros thn episkech toy k. Xolmproyk sthn Aqhna - sas eipa kai xqes oti qa enhmerwqeite otan epistei h stigmh - kai peran toytoy sas lew oti th Deytera 5/2 h Kybernhtikh Epitroph qa labei thn apofash gia to an qa yparjei episkech toy k. Xolmproyk kai poia qa einai ta qemata ta opoia qa apasxolhsoyn ayth th synanthsh poy qa exoyn oi ekproswpoi ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs me ton k. Xolmproyk, an episkefqei thn Ellada telikws.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Eipate prohgoymenws gia qetika mhnymata (den sygkrathsa akribws th frash sas, alla en pash periptwsei ayto htan to nohma). Exoyme kapoia sygkekrimena pragmata: Exoyme ton Geniko Grammatea toy NATO na "katsadiazei" xqes thn Ellada. Exoyme to STATE DEPARTMENT na bgainei shmera kai na qewrei amfisbhtoymenh perioxh to Aigaio. Einai qetika ayta; Exoyme th siwph ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Mporoyme na milame gia qetika mhnymata;

REPPAS: Sas lew oti to klima poy yparxei dieqnws einai ayth thn wra ikanopoihtiko, qetiko - qa elega - gia tis ellhnikes qeseis, meta thn ekstrateia enhmerwshs poy egine apo dikhs mas pleyras. Bebaiws, oi dhlwseis twn amerikanikwn paragontwn ekfrazoyn thn politikh ekeinhs ths xwras, emas den mas briskoyn symfwnoys. Qewroyme oti aphxoyn - an qelete - kai tis proklhseis h ta qemata ta opoia qetei h Toyrkia sto kefalaio twn ellhno-toyrkikwn diaforwn. Kefalaio to opoio emeis qewroyme oti den mporei na symperilambanei tipota, peran toy nomikoy problhmatos ths yfalokrhpidas, gia to opoio exoyme milhsei kat' epanalhch.

KARAKWSTAS: Katadikazei dhladh h Kybernhsh, kyrie Ypoyrge, tis dhlwseis twn kyriwn Xolmproyk kai Mperns;

REPPAS: An oi dhlwseis aytes exoyn apodoqei swsta, mas briskoyn entelws antiqetoys.

KIAOS: Sxetika me ta tajidia poy qa kanei o Prwqypoyrgos sto ejwteriko, exete na mas peite tipota;

REPPAS: Kyrie Kiao, opws poly swsta lete, yparxei enas sxediasmos gia prwtoboylies poy exei analabei o Prwqypoyrgos. Ayth thn wra, omws, den yparxei leptomeres programma poy na mporw na sas to anakoinwsw. Qa ginei syntoma kai ayto.

KIAOS: Ektos apo leptomereies, kati pio sygkekrimeno;

REPPAS: Den yparxei kati gia na anakoinwqei epishmws ayth thn wra poy syzhtoyme.

MIXAHL: Na synexisw thn erwthsh toy k. Kiaoy: Qa episkefqei o Prwqypoyrgos kata proteraiothta tis Hnwmenes Politeies h tis xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs me tis opoies emeis eimaste etairoi;

REPPAS: Qa yparjei leptomereiakos - qa elega - programmatismos gia to pws qa kinhqei o Prwqypoyrgos to epomeno diasthma. Kai epi toy programmatismoy aytoy, eseis qa eisaste apo toys prwtoys poy qa enhmerwqeite.

MIXAHL: Eipate oti th Deytera (5/2) h Kybernhtikh Epitroph qa apofasisei gia to an qa ginei h oxi h episkech toy k. Xolmproyk sthn Aqhna. Dhladh o k. Xolmproyk hdh mas exei zhthsei na erqei edw kai emeis den toy exoyme apanthsei kai toy eipame "perimene" kai qa paroyme thn apofash mas th Deytera. Ayto mas lete me alla logia.

REPPAS: Th Deytera h Kybernhtikh Epitroph qa labei tis apofaseis ths gia to qema ths episkechs toy k. Xolmproyk sthn Ellada. Ayto apanthsa kai s' ayto epanerxomai.

MIXAHL: Wraia! Na to gyrisw alliws to erwthma: Exei zhthsei o k. Xolmproyk hdh na erqei sthn Ellada kai perimenei apanthsh apo thn ellhnikh pleyra;

REPPAS: Ayto einai kati, toy opoioy den gnwrizw thn leptomereia poy moy qetete eseis, fantazomai omws - kai etsi prokyptei apo tis dhlwseis toy - oti einai diateqeimenos na episkefqei kai th xwra mas. To exei pei o idios.

MIXAHL: Ma, tote ti qa apanthsoyme emeis;

REPPAS: To exei pei o idios.

MIXAHL: Ma, kyrie Ekproswpe...

REPPAS: Yparxei kapoia epikoinwnia. Kai h epikoinwnia ayth h opoia htan idiaitera entonh tis wres ths krishs, fantazomai - metajy twn allwn - eixe ws antikeimeno ths thn piqanothta na episkefqei o k. Xolmproyk thn Ellada. Alla epeidh qesate to erwthma an exei ypoblhqei, dikhn aithmatos apo ekeinh thn pleyra, to qema ths episkechs, gi' ayto sas apanthsa opws sas apanthsa.

MOYRTZHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, mas eipate oti o Prwqypoyrgos qa analabei mia diplwmatikh ekstrateia. Pisteyei h Kybernhsh oti exoyn ginei laqh sto parelqon sthn ejwterikh politikh, poy ths exoyn afairesei ta paradosiaka ereismata poy eixe;

REPPAS: Einai poly swsth h erwthsh sas. Pisteyw oti emeis den prepei - kai me tis megalyteres epityxies poy mporei na dokimazoyme - na eimaste ikanopoihmenoi. Giati panta yparxei ena periqwrio na kanoyme kati kalytero, kati perissotero. Pisteyw, kyrie Moyrtzh, oti sta plaisia ths syzhthshs poy qa ginei th Deytera sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph me titlo qematos "eqnikh strathgikh", qa ginei mia apotimhsh twn oswn exoyn prohghqei gia na eimaste shmera sthn katastash thn opoia eimaste.

KARAKWSTAS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, shmerina dhmosieymata feroyn ton Proedro kai idryth toy PASOK Andrea Papandreoy idiaitera dysaresthmeno me thn akoloyqoymenh kybernhtikh praktikh, se o,ti afora thn ellhno-toyrkikh dienejh. H Kybernhsh epibebaiwnei h diaceydei aytes tis plhrofories;

REPPAS: Qa mporoysate na ginete pio sygkekrimenos, parakalw;

KARAKWSTAS: Shmerina dhmosieymata feroyn ton Proedro kai idryth toy PASOK...

REPPAS: Ti lene ayta ta dhmosieymata;

KARAKWSTAS: Oti einai dysaresthmenos me tis praktikes poy akoloyqhqhkan.

REPPAS: Den mporw na epibebaiwsw h na diaceysw dhmosieymata. An exete kati sygkekrimeno na qesete, na to antimetwpisw me allo prisma.

KARAKWSTAS: Sygkekrimena, kyrie Ypoyrge...

REPPAS: Nai, peite moy.

KARAKWSTAS:...se shmerines dhlwseis toy se radiofwniko staqmo to melos toy E.G. toy PASOK Manwlhs Daskalakhs eipe oti se synomilia toy o prwhn Prwqypoyrgos me ton prwhn Ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn k. Karolo Papoylia eipe pws einai dysaresthmenos kai ws ek toytoy den exei pragmatopoihqei kai h synanthsh toy me ton Prwqypoyrgo.

REPPAS: Eipe tetoio pragma o k. Daskalakhs;

DHMOSIOGRAFOI: Den eipe tetoio pragma o k. Daskalakhs.

BAREMENOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, o k. Daskalakhs eipe - symfwna me dhlwseis toy se radiofwniko staqmo - pws o k. Andreas Papandreoy eipe "ti na thn kanw thn kommatikh anodo, otan exw eqnika problhmata".

REPPAS: Den qelw na sxoliasw th sygkekrimenh perikoph giati den jerw an exei apodoqei swsta h skech toy k. Papandreoy. Apla, krinw skopimo na kanw ena poly mikro sxolio: O Andreas Papandreoy einai enas megalos hgeths kai panta diekrine thn politikh toy akribws h protajh twn eqnikwn symferontwn enanti twn kommatikwn wfelimothtwn h skopimothtwn. Kai nomizw oti ayth einai mia qesh poy oloi diakriname sthn politikh stadiodromia toy Andrea Papandreoy.

SOYGLERHS: Kai o k. Ebert, kyrie Ypoyrge, xarakthrise "mikrh" thn Kybernhsh gia na antimetwpisei toso sobara problhmata.

REPPAS: O k. Ebert exei apodeijei kat' epanalhch oti ws Arxhgos ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs, to mono poy ton endiaferei einai na kallierghsei dhmosies sxeseis kai na dhmioyrghsei entypwseis kai oxi na bohqhsei kai th xwra kai ton ellhniko lao. Ayth h politikh h opoia diakrinei ton k. Ebert kai ayth h praktikh, emas mas briskei antiqetoys. Thn kataggelloyme, thn katadikazoyme kai den prokeitai na thn parakoloyqhsoyme. Eimaste se teleiws antiqeth grammh. H palaiopolitikh gia mas exei kapoia oria. O k. Ebert apodeiknyei kaqe mera me th stash toy oti ta oria ths palaiopolitikhs gi' ayton einai anejantlhta kai synexws ta dieyrynei.

KAMPRAS: Yparxei synexeia ths politikhs Papandreoy sta eqnika qemata apo th shmerinh Kybernhsh;

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh einai Kybernhsh synexeias. Einai Kybernhsh h opoia kai me tis Programmatikes Dhlwseis ths epibebaiwse to programma toy PASOK. Kai asfalws, h politikh mas einai h politikh ths Kybernhshs toy

PASOK: eite einai Prwqypoyrgos o Andreas Papandreoy, eite einai Prwqypoyrgos o Kwstas Shmiths.

KAMPRAS: Syggnwmh, kai gia to Aigaio ennow, etsi; To "CASUS BELLI" k.lp.

REPPAS: Gia ola, gia ola. Apanthsa kai xqes s' ayta.

SOYRMELH: Fylla proskeimena sthn Kybernhsh sas briskoyn (se diafora reportaz) oti yparxei mia dysxereia ths Kybernhshs se sxesh me to komma. Exete na kanete kapoio sxolio h na mas peite ti akribws symbainei ayth th stigmh;

REPPAS: Nomizw oti yparxei enas poly kalos syntonismos metajy twn kybernhtikwn kai kommatikwn organwn. Yparxei epikoinwnia kai synergasia. Kai apodeijh toytoy einai oti thn epomenh Tetarth (7/2) qa yparjei mia synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me to Ektelestiko Grafeio, kata thn opoia qa syzhthqoyn ta qemata ths trexoysas politikhs katastashs.

KACAMPELHS: Poy qa ginei ayth h synanthsh, kyrie Ypoyrge;

REPPAS: Kyrie Kacampelh, eipa kai sthn arxh oti ayth h synanthsh qa ginei sto Politiko Grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy sth Boylh.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, pws antimetwpizei h Kybernhsh to endexomeno, peran toy sygkekrimenoy epeisodioy sthn Imia, na apotelei to symban sthn Imia synexeia enos genikoteroy sxedioy epiqetikothtas ths Toyrkias; Pws skeptetai dhladh h Kybernhsh kai se ti epipedo prokeitai na kinhqei;

REPPAS: Oti oi proklhseis kai oi apeiles oi opoies syxna epanalambanontai apo thn allh pleyra toy Aigaioy einai mia praktikh thn opoia pleon exoyme synhqisei, thn parakoloyqoyme kai kanoyme ta panta, wste na eimaste etoimoi na antimetwpisoyme thn praktikh ayth, prokeimenoy na mhn yparjoyn dysmeneis synepeies gia th xwra mas kai ta symferonta mas.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, eixame parabiash toy qalassioy ellhnikoy xwroy apo toyrkikh aktewro. Exete kati na mas peite;

REPPAS: H plhroforia den yparxei. Syzhthsa me toys armodioys Ypoyrgoys. Einai kati to opoio den qewrw oti antapokrinetai sthn alhqeia .

BAREMENOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, epitrecate moy na sas pw kati xwris kammia parejhghsh.

REPPAS: Parakalw.

BAREMENOS: Exoyme pei oti edw pera qa leme thn alhqeia kai otan den thn gnwrizoyme, qa leme "den to gnwrizw".

REPPAS: Symfwnoyme apolytws.

BAREMENOS: Giati sas to lew ayto: Giati xqes rwthsame ean o Proedros Klinton eqese ek meroys twn Toyrkwn diwrh "dioria" peste thn h "telesigrafo". Kai eipate oti kati tetoio den egine. Kati tetoio, omws, kyrie Ypoyrge, egine.

REPPAS: Exete thn apanthsh moy akribws apo to xqesino briefing;

BAREMENOS: Sas to lew meta logoy gnwsews. Kai xqes poy sas rwtoysa kai akoygontoysan kai kapoioi ciqyroi apo pisw (ths agnoias ciqyroi endexomenws)...

REPPAS: Den to krinw.

BAREMENOS:... den sas rwtoysa tyxaia. Loipon, gi' ayto kanw ayth thn eisagwgikh parathrhsh.

REPPAS: Kyrie Baremene, qa moy epitrecete na kanw ena mikro sxolio; H apanthsh moy - nomizw - sthn xqesinh syzhthsh mas einai apolytws safhs, qa moy epitrecete na pw. Dioti eipa oti "telesigrafo" h "oros" (opws xrhsimopoihsate eseis aytes tis lejeis, tis xrhsimopoiw) yparxei otan h mia pleyra einai to ypokeimeno kai epiballei sthn allh pleyra "oroys" h "telesigrafa". Edw - kai ayto eipa kai xqes - eixame ena xroniko diasthma symfwnhmeno mesa sto opoio eprepe na oloklhrwqei h apemplokh. An dhladh entos aytoy toy xronikoy diasthmatos twn dyo wrwn h dyomish wrwn eprepe h Ellada na xasei kati monomerws, ayto mporoyse na qewrhqei oti einai enas "oros", ena "telesigrafo" ths mias pleyras pros thn allh pleyra. Edw, omws, den exoyme kati tetoio. Exoyme akribws mia diadikasia apemplokhs poy symfwnhqhke oti eprepe na oloklhrwqei entos enos xronikoy diasthmatos, to opoio xroniko diasthma prosdioristhke me synennohsh kai symfwnia twn dyo pleyrwn oti prepei na einai dyo - dyomish wres.

BAREMENOS: Egw ennow prin thn symfwnia gia thn apemplokh, ayto poy eipe o k. Klinton ston k. Shmith oti ean den apoxwrhsei h Ellada entos dyo wrwn, h Toyrkia qa proxwrhsei se exqroprajies. Ayto ennow.

REPPAS: Nomizw oti exw apanthsei s' ayto k. Baremene. Kai exw apanthsei leptomereiakws. Qelete na ypobalete kapoia erwthsh;

BAREMENOS: Malista. Gia tis dhlwseis toy k. Mperns.

REPPAS: Apanthsa prohgoymenws. Mhn epanerxomaste sta idia.

BAREMENOS: Entajei, kyrie Ypoyrge. Zhtw syggnwmh, alla den hmoyn sthn aiqoysa.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h Prwqypoyrgos ths Toyrkias ka Tansoy Tsiler se xqesines dhlwseis ths eipe oti symfwnhqhke metajy Ellados kai Toyrkias, h prwth na mhn epekteinei ta xwrika ths ydata sta 12 milia. O k. Pagkalos, alla kai eseis apanthsate xqes sthn ka Tsiler. Egw erwtw: To dikaiwma mas ayto, telika, emeis qa to askhsoyme;

REPPAS: Sas parapempw sth xqesinobradynh apanthsh moy, sthn opoia diatypwnetai h kathgorhmatikh qesh mas, poy sas einai gnwsth.

KACAMPELHS: Syggnwmh, kyrie Ypoyrge, alla egw akoysa ton k. Pagkalo xqes kai parempiptontws qelw na rwthsw kai an h epikoinwniakh politikh ths Kybernhsews entassetai pleon se mia nea taktikh gia ta krisima qemata, oi Ypoyrgoi na apantoyn mesw twn thleorase- wn. Ayto parempiptontws.

REPPAS: Qa to sxoliasw. Synexiste.

KACAMPELHS: Akoysa loipon ton k. Pagkalo xqes, o opoios sthn eyqeia erwthsh toy dhmosiografoy an o k. Xolmproyk leei cemmata gia ta qemata twn 12 miliwn, o k. Pagkalos den apanthse oti leei cemmata o k. Xolmproyk, apanthse alla pragmata. Epeidh loipon o k. Pagkalos milaei stis thleoraseis kai oxi stoys dhmosiografoys, egw rwtw ton Kybernhtiko Ekproswpo: Leei cemmata otan leei oti yphrje symfwnia;

REPPAS: Qa sas apanthsw ws ejhs: O k. Pagkalos epanelabe tis qeseis ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs kai den ekane tipote allo para na diatypwsei ayta ta opoia kai o Prwqypoyrgos eipe kai egw sas eipa. Me thn eykairia ayth kai mias kai egine logos gia epikoinwniakh politikh, qelw na kanw ena sxolio gia to oti enw egw ekana mia leptomerh anakoinwsh apantwntas stis dhlwseis ths kas Tsiler (opoy metajy allwn lew "oi qeseis ths xwras mas s' ayto to qema einai gnwstes kai paramenoyn ametablhtes, h Ellada qewrei ayto to dikaiwma ws dedomeno kai adiapragmateyto, qa epilejei de h idia pws kai pote qa askhsei ayto to dikaiwma") yparxei - den qymamai akribws se poia efhmerida - ena sxolio poy synodeyei aythn thn perikoph ths dhlwshs moy, oti o Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos "dieceyse - epibebaiwse oti exoyme apempolhsei ayto to dikaiwma", pragma -"h epibebaiwsh"- poy den prokyptei apo th dhlwsh moy. Qelw na pw oti to qema ths epikoinwniakhs politikhs se periodoys oi opoies apaitoyn leptoys xeirismoys apo toys anqrwpoys poy xeirizontai problhmata, prepei na einai mia epikoinwniakh politikh h opoia qa diepetai apo ena metro eyqynhs idiaitera ayjhmeno, se sxesh me to metro eyqynhs poy panta prepei na exoyme. Alla s' aytes tis periodoys - epanalambanw - prepei na einai idiaitera ayjhmeno.

KIAOS: Syggnwmh, s' ayto poy lete, dystyxws exoyme kai alla deigmata apo polemoys poy khryssontai mesw kapoiwn Meswn Mazikhs Enhmerwshs.

REPPAS: Den qa to sxoliasw, giati oloi ypo th mia h thn allh morfh eimaste aixmalwtoi twn Meswn Enhmerwshs. Loipon eimaste aixmalwtoi, ypo th mia h ypo thn allh morfh. H zwh mas einai thlekateyqynomenh, einai thlebiwth kai exoyme ginei kai emeis "thlaixmalwtoi".

KIAOS: Gia ton k. Baremeno ta eipa!

REPPAS: Den einai bebaia meros toy briefing, alla to eipa epeidh o k. Kiaos hqele na kanei thn anafora gia to rolo twn Meswn.

KIAOS: Den milhsa genikws gia to rolo. Anaferqhka sygkekrimena.

REPPAS: Symfwnoi. Nomizw oti to kanate me apajiwtiko tropo. Egw lew oti ek twn pragmatwn exoyme ginei aixmalwtoi twn Meswn.

KACAMPELHS: Janarwtw eyqews thn Kybernhsh: Oi Amerikanoi otan lene gia symfwnia poy aforoyse kai ta 12 milia, lene alhqeia h cemmata;

REPPAS: Oi Amerikanoi otan lene oti h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh exei analabei tetoia desmeysh, den omiloyn th glwssa ths alhqeias. Dioti h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh den exei analabei tetoia desmeysh. Kai h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh - epanalambanw - menei sthn politikh ths poy einai gnwsth kai sthn politikh ayth h Kybernhsh einai anypoxwrhth.

FILHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qa zhthsete anaklhsh twn dhlwsewn twn kyriwn Mperns kai Xolmproyk;

REPPAS: Emeis epimenoyme sthn politikh mas, h opoia sas einai gnwsth. Kai qa kanoyme ta panta - kai oi tropoi einai dedomenoi, einai gnwstoi - wste h politikh ayth na einai mia politikh, h opoia qa briskei symfwnoys oloys toys alloys, oles tis xwres toy kosmoy, oles tis hgesies. Kai bebaiws tis kybernhseis idiaiterws ekeines oi opoies diadramatizoyn enan ayjhmeno, enan shmantiko rolo sta dieqnh pragmata.

FILHS: Den moy apanthsate: Anaklhsh twn dhlwsewn twn kyriwn Mperns kai Xolmproyk qa zhthsete;

REPPAS: Parakalw! Apanthsa k. Filh.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Ejakoloyqoyn na isxyoyn oi eyxaristies toy Prwqypoyrgoy pros thn Amerikanikh Kybernhsh gia ton rolo ths sthn ypoqesh ayth, meta ta osa dihmeifqhsan tis teleytaies dyo hmeres;

REPPAS: Apanthsa leptomerws se analogo erwthma xqes. Kai eipa pws h anafora ayth toy Ellhna Prwqypoyrgoy eixe akribws thn ennoia ths epishmanshs h anagnwrishs - an qelete - toy roloy toy diamesolabhtikoy h toy roloy en eidei "taxydromoy" poy epaijan oi Hnwmenes Politeies mia stigmh poy briskomaste, pragmatika, en ocei piqanhs sygkroyshs. Kai th stigmh ayth den yphrxe apeyqeias epikoinwnia twn dyo pleyrwn. Ara, eprepe na yparjei o xrhsimos kai wfelimos tritos, o opoios metefere tis apoceis ths mias pleyras sthn allh. Kai to rolo ayto epaijan oi Hnwmenes Politeies. Peri aytoy prokeitai.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Ma, ayto to rolo, eseis o idios molis prohgoymenws ton amfisbhthsate legontas oti den lene thn alhqeia oi Amerikanoi gia ta osa...

REPPAS: Den einai se kammia antifash to ena me to allo.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Dhladh, toys diaceydete;

REPPAS: Den diaceydw tipota.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Ma, pws den toys diaceydete, otan taytoxrona mas lete oti oi idioi den lene thn alhqeia...

REPPAS: Den diaceydw tipota, oson afora ton xrhsimo rolo, ton diamesolabhtiko, ton rolo "taxydromoy" poy epaijan oi Hnwmenes Politeies ekeinh th stigmh. Egw diaceydw to oti h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh exei analabei desmeyseis enanti oioydhpote - kai eimai kathgorhmatikos s' ayto - gia na allajoyme (ypotiqetai) to epomeno diasthma thn politikh mas, poy sas einai safws diatypwmenh kai poly gnwsth se sas gia ta qemata toy Aigaioy.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Ma, oi Amerikanoi to lene ayto, oi opoioi diamesolabhsan.

REPPAS: Kai emeis ekfrazoyme thn dikh mas apoch, h opoia einai teleiws diaforetikh apo th qesh thn opoia ekfrazoyn oi Amerikanoi. Alla ayto den exei na kanei se tipota me thn anagnwrish toy roloy "taxydromoy" - as to pw etsi - poy epaijan oi Amerikanoi, thn periodo ayths ths krishs.

BAREMENOS: Anejarthtws aytoy poy eipate, eisaste h den eisaste anhsyxoi poy oi Amerikanoi lene ayta ta pragmata;

REPPAS: Den mas ikanopoiei kai asfalws qa qelame oles oi xwres kai idiaiterws h Amerikanikh Kybernhsh na exei mia qesh h opoia qa sympiptei apolytws me thn dikh mas qesh.

BAREMENOS: Den einai oti den sympiptei, einai antiqeth.

REPPAS: Apanthsa k. Baremene.

ELENOPOYLOS: Symfwna me plhrofories poy apodidontai stoys kykloys toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn kai metadidontai hdh apo ta radiofwna, h ellhnikh pleyra exei hdh zhthsei anaklhsh twn dhlwsewn Mperns kai Xolmproyk.

REPPAS: Yparxei mia epikoinwnia me thn Amerikanikh Kybernhsh kai sas eipa oti probainoyme se oles tis apaitoymenes energeies. Kai den yparxei logos na poyme poly sygkekrimena kai leptomereiaka giati kai egw den eimai gnwsths - prepei na sas omologhsw - oloy toy fasmatos aytwn twn xeirismwn.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Qa sas apeyqynw mia eyqeia erwthsh kai parakalw poly gia mia eyqeia apanthsh: Ta osa leei o Xolmproyk, ta osa lene oi Amerikanoi, eklambanontai h oxi apo thn Ellhnikh Kybernhsh ws eyqeia amfisbhthsh kyriarxikwn dikaiwmatwn ths xwras mas, kai en prokeimenw, toy dikaiwmatos epektashs twn xwrikwn mas ydatwn sta 12 milia;

REPPAS: Oi topoqethseis aytes, oi opoies aphxoyn isws apoceis ths politikhs twn Hnwmenwn Politeiwn, mas briskoyn - epanalambanw kai pali - entelws antiqetoys. Qewroyme oti kaqe allo, para bohqoyn sthn ejomalynsh twn ellhnotoyrkikwn sxesewn mias kai oi HPA miloyn oti endiaferontai akribws na prowqhsoyn thn ejomalynsh twn sxesewn aytwn. Poly perissotero de, pisteyoyme oti dhmioyrgoyn tis baseis gia na ginei h perioxh mas mia monimh estia taraxwn kai dhmioyrgias problhmatwn. Gi'ayto, akribws, eimaste antiqetoi pantelws s'aytes tis qeseis.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, mporeite na mas peite sygkekrimena, oi presbeytes poiwn xwrwn ap'osoys exoyn enhmerwqei, antapokrinontai qetika stis ellhnikes qeseis;

REPPAS: Den yparxei epishmh anakoinwsh apo kapoia xwra wste na mporw na isxyrisqw pws yparxei epishma ekfrasmenh sta plaisia ths ejwterikhs politikhs h qesh mias kapoias xwras. Sas lew, omws, oti exoyn enhmerwqei oi presbeis pollwn xwrwn - jerete oti ayto egine me mia diadikasia systhmatikh apo thn Ellhnikh Kybernhsh - kai h qesh toys mas ikanopoiei, opws ekfrazetai sthn Ellhnikh Kybernhsh.

KAKABAS: Epeidh prohgoymenws milhsate gia qetiko klima kai epeidh yparxei h xqesinh anakoinwsh ths Italias, se mia fash kai se mia periodo poy anazhtoyme kai nomika ereismata s'o,ti afora tis diekdikhseis twn Toyrkwn, yparxei kai h safhs qesh ths Rwsias. Yparxoyn alles, ayth th stigmh, sygkekrimenes kybernhseis poy na exoyn ekfrasqei qetika pros emas se o,ti afora thn ellhnotoyrkikh dienejh;

REPPAS: Qa moy epitrecete na kanw mia dieykrinish kat'arxhn: Den yparxei anakoinwsh - opws kai sthn amesws prohgoymenh apanthsh moy eipa - ths Italikhs Kybernhshs h toy Italikoy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn. Den yparxei anakoinwsh. Yparxei akribws h stash ths Italikhs Kybernhshs h opoia mas dinei thn aisqhsh kai thn ikanopoihsh oti, me ta stoixeia poy exoyme ypoch mas - kai exoyn dhmosieyqei kai einai se sas gnwsta - oi qeseis ths briskontai se symfwnia - qa elega - me tis dikes mas qeseis gia to epimaxo qema. Shmeiwnw mias kai to eipate th qesh toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn ths Rwsias, opoy pragmatika anaferei - kai einai poly qetiko ayto, gi'ayto kai to epishmainw idiaiterws - oti stis sxeseis olwn twn xwrwn prepei na prytaneysei h aysthrh thrhsh toy Dieqnoys Dikaioy. Kai basikoi Kanones sthn thrhsh toy Dieqnoys Dikaioy einai to aparabiasto twn synorwn, h yperaspish ths edafikhs akeraiothtas kai h mh epiboylh ths edafikhs akeraiothtas ths mias xwras apo thn allh, opws epishs kai o sebasmos ths kyriarxias ths kaqe xwras sta dika ths edafh. Einai qeseis poy mas briskoyn apolyta symfwnoys.

SOYRMELH: Parakoloyqwntas ton kybernhtiko Typo bgainei safws mia yparxoysa dienejh metajy toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn kai toy Ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Amynas. Yparxei, pragmati, tetoio qema sthn Kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Qelw na sas diabebaiwsw oti den yparxei, oxi dienejh, alla oyte kan ypocia dienejhs. Yparxei plhrhs kai armonikh synergasia. Yparxei symfwnia sthn akoloyqoymenh politikh apo thn Kybernhsh. Kai gi'ayto, an den mporoyn na sas peisoyn twra oi logoi moy, qa sas peisei h pragmatikothta kata to amesws epomeno xroniko diasthma.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Maqame tis hmeres ths krishs, oti mia fregata poy eixame steilei sthn Adriatikh gyrise pisw. Hqela na rwthsw ti qa ginei m'ayth. An qa janapaei sthn Adriatikh h qa meinei edw. To deytero erwthma afora tis natoikes pyrhnikes kefales. An skeptetai h Kybernhsh na epanejetasei to qema. Kai triton, an skeptomaste sto plaisio olwn twn allwn drasthriothtwn mas, na prosfygoyme ston OHE kataggellontas kai thn Toyrkia kai oloys ekeinoys poy amfisbhtoyn kyriarxika mas dikaiwmata, opws oi Hnwmenes Politeies.

REPPAS: Qa kanoyme oles tis diplwmatikes kinhseis kai oloys toys xeirismoys, efoson qewroyme oti qa mas odhghsoyn se ena qetiko gia mas apotelesma. Efoson krinoyme oti yparxoyn oi proypoqeseis gia na ftasoyme ston epidiwkomeno skopo. Giati, bebaiws, prepei na sas pw oti tetoioy eidoys prosfyges otan katalhjoyn na laboyn ws apanthsh mia protroph na mpoyme se dialogo me thn allh pleyra, me thn opoia kata th gnwmh tritwn exoyme mia dienejh, einai ena apotelesma poy den einai pantote to kalytero. Kai prepei pantote na ektimoyme tis synepeies poy mporei na exoyn tetoioy eidoys prwtoboylies prin analaboyme aytes tis prwtoboylies. Apo ekei kai pera, pragmati, h fregata "YDRA" apepleyse apo thn Adriatikh opoy eyrisketo kai epleyse pros thn perioxh poy yphrxe h krish. Hdh h krish exei ektonwqei kai oi Dynameis toy Polemikoy Naytikoy xrhsimopoioyntai kata thn krish ths hgesias toy Naytikoy, ekei opoy xreiazetai na ajiopoihqoyn. Den yparxei kati idiaitero, den yparxei kati ektakto. Yparxei hremia kai staqerothta.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Qa epistrecei sthn Adriatikh;

REPPAS: Oxi, oxi. Xrhsimopoioyntai ekei poy prepei na xrhsimopoihqoyn. Den yparxei sxediasmos sygkekrimenos.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Gia tis pyrhnikes kefales;

REPPAS: Oi pyrhnikes kefales einai ena qema poly gnwsto, poly palaio. Oi qeseis ths Kybernhshs einai gnwstes. An yparjei kati neotero, qa enhmerwqeite gi'ayto.

KIAOS: Symmerizesqe thn ektimhsh toy k. Arsenh sxetika me to fobo poy ejefrase gia ena qermo ejamhno stis sxeseis mas me thn Toyrkia; Kai ti prattei h Kybernhsh ep'aytoy;

REPPAS: Nomizoyme oti einai syneto, otan einai diapistwmenh h praktikh ths Toyrkias me apeiles kai me proklhseis, na qermainei to klima sthn perioxh, emeis na parakoloyqoyme me prosoxh th stash ths allhs pleyras kai na eimaste etoimoi gia kaqe endexomeno. Qeloyme na yparjei ejomalynsh twn sxesewn, qeloyme na yparjei hremia kai asfaleia sthn perioxh. Alla, dhlwnoyme taytoxronws oti eimaste etoimoi na antimetwpisoyme opoiodhpote endexomeno.

KIAOS: Rwtw an yparxei kati idiaitera sygkekrimeno.

REPPAS: Den exoyme kati pio sygkekrimeno, kyrie Kiao, pera apo tis synexeis proklhseis kai thn pagia praktikh ths Toyrkias. Ayto einai poy mas kanei na bgazoyme symperasmata kai taytoxrona na epagrypnoyme wste na eimaste etoimoi na antimetwpisoyme opoiodhpote endexomeno.

KIAOS: Dhladh symmerizesqe kai eseis thn idia ektimhsh.

REPPAS: Ma, einai mia ektimhsh poy prepei na thn kanei o kaqe poliths. Poly perissotero h ypeyqynh Kybernhsh.

SOYRMELH: Milame gia tis proklhseis ths Toyrkias kai thn epiqymia ths Elladas gia ejomalynsh twn sxesewn. Efoson den mporei na yparjei kanenas tropos epikoinwnias metajy twn dyo xwrwn - ayto katalaba dhladh - qa prepei na yparxei kapoios diamesolabhths. Opote, menei safws o rolos twn HPA ws diamesolabhth h protiqetai h Kybernhsh na zhthsei diamesolabhsh apo kapoia allh xwra;

REPPAS: H ejomalynsh twn sxesewn metajy dyo pleyrwn mporei na proelqei mesa apo thn epilysh twn problhmatwn poy apasxoloyn aytes tis pleyres. Emeis qewroyme oti to problhma to monadiko poy yparxei einai to gnwsto qema ths yfalokrhpidas. Kai pisteyoyme oti, an sto plaisio twn ellhnotoyrkikwn sxesewn, h Toyrkia dexqei na odhghqoyme se telikh lysh mesw twn diadikasikwn toy Dieqnoys Dikaioy kai twn Dieqnwn Kanonwn kai Nomwn aytoy toy problhmatos, qa exoyme hdh mia anabaqmish stis ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis. Kai bebaiws, an den antidra, alla antiqetws symmetasxei anypokrita kai eilikrina sthn prospaqeia ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs na exoyme mia monimh kai biwsimh lysh toy Kypriakoy problhmatos sto plaisio twn Kanonwn toy Dieqnoys Dikaioy kai me bash ta osa problepoyn oi apofaseis toy Organismoy Hnwmenwn Eqnwn.

FILHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, yparxei dhmosieymenh se efhmerides h plhroforia - kai qa hqela mia epishmh epibebaiwsh - h opoia apodidetai se kykloys toy Ypoyrgeioy Amynas, oti stis krisimes wres ths antiparaqeshs me thn Toyrkia, yphrje problhma stis epikoinwnies anamesa sto Geniko Epiteleio kai tis monades sthn perioxh. Symfwna me tis idies plhrofories, to problhma ofeilotan se hlektronikh parembash.

REPPAS: Epishmws sas lew oti den parathrhqhke tetoio problhma. An kai egine megalh anafora ws pros ta aitia toy atyxhmatos toy elikopteroy poy stoixise th zwh se treis Ellhnes ajiwmatikoys, oti to atyxhma ayto htan apotelesma kapoiwn parembolwn. Sas lew oti oyte ayto einai alhqes. Kai genikws den yphrjan tetoioy eidoys paremboles.

FILHS: Me dedomenh kai ejelissomenh thn epiqymia twn Hnwmenwn Politeiwn na paremboyn sto qema twn ellhnotoyrkikwn sxesewn, h Kybernhsh skeptetai na energopoihsei kapoioy eidoys prospaqeia diplwmatikh sto plaisio ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, wste na yparjei ejisorrophsh ths amerikanikhs prwtoboylias;

REPPAS: Prepei na sas pw oti h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh qa analabei oles ekeines tis prwtoboylies wste na enisxysei kai ta dieqnh ereismata mas kai taytoxronws na prowqhsei tis eqnikes mas qeseis, gia na breqei - an qelete -kai h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, alla oxi mono h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, se mia eyqeia grammh me tis dikes mas qeseis gia ta sygkekrimena qemata poy mas apasxoloyn. Apo ekei kai pera, emeis pisteyoyme oti opoiosdhpote paragwn - ton onomazete Amerikaniko, h opoiosdhpote allos - einai kalodektos sthn Ellada. Emeis mporoyme na syzhthsoyme me opoiondhpote, arkei o dialogos mas na exei ena poly prosdiorismeno kai safws kaqorismeno antikeimeno. Kai to antikeimeno ayto gia mas den noeitai oti mporei na einai ejw apo ayta ta opoia orioqetoyn thn ellhnikh ejwterikh politikh.

FILHS: Giati, kyrie Ypoyrge, den apeyqynqhkame sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh na zhthsoyme na diadramatisei ayth to rolo toy "taxydromoy" kai arkesthkame sthn amerikanikh prwtoboylia;

REPPAS: Kyrie Filh, apanthsa kai xqes se sxetikh erwthsh analogws. Oti h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh den apeyqynqhke - epeidh xrhsimopoihsate ayto to rhma - den ypebale aithma pros oydena. H Ellhnikh Kybernhsh dexqhke thn prwtoboylia ths Amerikanikhs Kybernhshs na prosferei tis yphresies ths gia thn ektonwsh ths krishs.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: O k. Arsenhs ekane sth Boylh th dhlwsh oti "dystyxws, ta synora ths Elladas den einai akomh, ta synora ths Eyrwphs". Yparxei kanena sxolio s'ayto;

REPPAS: Emeis pisteyoyme oti ta synora ths Ellados einai - prepei na einai kai mporei na einai - ta synora ths Eyrwphs. Alla, taytoxronws, o k. Arsenhs, me ayto poy eipe - kai mas briskei symfwnoys ayth h topoqethsh - epishmainei oti sthn prajh h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh den exei deijei thn analogh eyaisqhsia, h opoia sthn prajh - epanalambanw - qa exei to isodynamo antikrysma twn logwn peri toy oti ta synora ths Ellados einai kai synora ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs.

KIAOS: Anaferomai se dhmosieyma poy afora thn antidrash toy Prwqypoyrgoy sto KYSEA, sxetika me thn apobash twn Toyrkwn "komanto". Giati dhladh den eixe fylaxqei h diplanh braxonhsida kai phgan oi Toyrkoi "komanto".

REPPAS: Kyrie Kiao, einai poly swsth h parathrhsh poy kanete. Apo xqes hdh apanthsa oti ta osa exoyn sxesh me thn proseggish kai apobibash, me ton entopismo kai thn apomakrynsh twn Toyrkwn "komanto" sth braxonhsida, apoteloyn antikeimeno ereynas. Otan h ereyna ayth oloklhrwqei, qa yparjei porisma, to opoio qa sas ginei gnwsto. Kai an yparjoyn eyqynes aytes qa apodoqoyn.
Sas eyxaristw poly. Kalo Sabbatokyriako.