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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS 29.1.1996

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO k. DHMHTRH REPPA META TH SYNEDRIASH TOY YPOYRGIKOY SYMBOYLIOY

"Einai gnwsth h stash eqnikistikwn kyklwn ths Toyrkias na prokaloyn entash stis sxeseis me thn Ellada oses fores h eswterikh politikh katastash ths Toyrkias to epiballei. To symban ayto kaq'eayto entassetai s'ayto to plaisio. To klima poy ekdhlwnei h energeia ayth apotelei ena poly sobaro qema. Deixnei enan epiqetiko eqnikismo. S'ayto kai se opoiondhpote epiqetiko eqnikismo apantame, oti h antidrash ths Elladas qa einai dynath, amesh kai apotelesmatikh. Exoyme ta mesa kai qa ta xrhsimopoihsoy- me xwris distagmo. Den dexomaste kammia apolytws amfisbhthsh sta kyriarxika dikaiwmata mas. As mh geliwntai".

REPPAS: Qa exoyme th dynatothta me ereqismata poy eseis qa dwsete, na syzhthsoyme sth synexeia. Apla, qa hqela na moy dwsete thn eyxereia, prin mpoyme sth diadikasia twn erwthsewn kai twn apanthsewn, na sas enhmerwsw oti to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio asxolhqhke me to qema twn Programmatikwn Dhlwsewn. O k. Prwqypoyrgos aneptyje, kata thn omilia toy, ena plaisio qesewn gia tis Programmatikes Dhlwseis kai akoloyqhse syzhthsh epi toy qematos aytoy. To logo elaban melh toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy. O k. Prwqypoyrgos anelabe, meta thn oloklhrwsh ths syzhthshs, na epejergastei telikws to keimeno twn Programmatikwn Dhlwsewn, tis opoies qa anagnwsei to apogeyma sth synedriash ths Boylhs. Prepei na diabebaiwsw ton ellhniko lao, ek meroys ths Kybernhshs, oti exoyme epignwsh twn dyskolwn kai megalwn problhmatwn, ta opoia yparxoyn shmera. Exoyme th dynatothta kai th diaqesh na ergastoyme entatika gia na antapokriqoyme stis ypoxrewseis mas kai na dikaiwsoyme tis prosdokies toy ellhnikoy laoy. Pisteyw oti qa ta kataferoyme. Oi dynatothtes poy exoyme einai dyo: H mia einai na petyxoyme. Den mas ikanopoiei. H allh einai na petyxoyme apolytws. Gi'ayto akribws qa agwnisqoyme. Eimai etoimos na dexqw tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, se ti energeies proebh h Kybernhsh meta apo ayto to symban me thn Toyrkia sth braxonhsida; Mexri twra, se ti energeies exei probei;

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh antimetwpise to qema me synesh kai apofasistikothta. Kai ta apotelesmata, nomizw, einai safh. Prepei na pw oti apo thn prwth stigmh poy hgerqh tetoio qema, kai dia ths diplwmatikhs odoy alla kai me thn kinhtopoihsh twn mhxanismwn kai twn dynatothtwn poy exei to Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas, dwsame se oloys - kai oxi mono sthn allh pleyra - na katanohsoyn oti eimaste ametakinhtoi sth qesh na yperaspisoyme me kaqe tropo kai kaqe stigmh ta kyriarxika dikaiwmata mas. Toso to Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas, me thn kinhtopoihsh - epanalambanw kai pali - twn dikwn toy dynamewn, me thn paroysia toy, me thn perifroyrhsh kai thn epithrhsh ths perioxhs, oso kai to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn me to diabhma pros ton Toyrko Presbh kai thn enhmerwsh twn Presbewn allwn xwrwn (twn HPA, ths Rwsias, ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, pragmata ta opoia gnwrizete apo to diplwmatiko reportaz), pisteyw oti xeiristhkan me acogo tropo to qema, wste na mh dikaiologeitai h opoiadhpote memcimoiria h kritikh gia paraleiceis h kaqysterhseis ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs. H Ellhnikh Kybernhsh, pisteyw, epraje arista.

KAMPRAS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, kyrie Ypoyrge, kai an einai eykolo na apanthsete, otan lete sth shmerinh dhlwsh toy k. Prwqypoyrgoy, oti "...qa einai dynath... kai qa exoyme ta mesa". Einai eykolo na ginete ligo pio safhs; Ti ennoeite "dynath";

REPPAS: Nomizw oti to keimeno einai apo mono toy arketa safes. Akribws h antidrash mas den einai qewrhtikh. Den einai mono mia dhlwsh, h antidrash mas. Einai kai h lhch sygkekrime- nwn metrwn, ta opoia exoyn odhghsei wste ek twn pragmatwn, ayth thn wra, sth mikrh ayth nhsida na kymatizei h ellhnikh shmaia.

KAMPRAS: Alla, thn "antidrash th dynath", den exw katalabei ews twra.

REPPAS: Ma, h antidrash einai akribws ayth poy periexei prwtoboylies kai praktika metra, opws einai h kinhtopoihsh mhxanismwn toy Ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Amynas, opws einai h paroysia ekei dynamewn, thn krisimh wra, oi opoies mporoyn na apotrecoyn opoiadhpote epixeirhsh apo polites allhs xwras. Kinhsh h prwtoboylia h opoia mporei na yponohsei amfisbhthsh kyriarxikwn dikaiwmatwn mas, wste shmera na eimaste sigoyroi oti eixame mia apotelesmatikh antimetwpish. Kai qewrw oti bainoyme se mia apoklimakwsh, an moy epitrapei na xrhsimopoihsw ayth th lejh, poy nomizw oti einai swsth.

KIAOS: Den qewreite mh tyxon einai mia kinhsh pros entypwsiasmo, ek meroys efhmeridos h enos idiwtikoy kanalioy gia na poylhsei eikona kai na poylhsei efhmerides; Tipota perissotero dhladh...

REPPAS: Emeis, kyrie Kiao, kanoyme tis ektimhseis mas opws kai eseis. Prepei na pw oti den apokleietai na symbainei ayto poy eseis skefqhkate kai ekfrasate megalofwnws. Alla bebaiws h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh qewrei pws prepei h Toyrkia na diaforopoieitai safws kai pragmatika apo opoiesdhpote tetoies prwtoboylies Toyrkwn politwn. Kai pisteyw oti tetoies energeies oi opoies oxi monon den symballoyn sthn ejomalynsh ths ojythtas poy yparxei sthn perioxh, alla isa-isa dyskoleyoyn h an qelete adynatizoyn kai dynamitizoyn kaqe prospaqeia sthn kateyqynsh beltiwshs twn ellhnotoyrkikwn sxesewn, einai loipon xreos diko mas na tis epishmainoyme, na tis katadikazoyme kai na qewroyme pws kaqenas kai h Toyrkia sygkekrime- na, h opoia qelei (an qelei) thn epidiwjh stenoterwn sxesewn me thn Ellada, na tis katadikazei kai ekeinh kai na diaforopoieitai pragmatika apo tetoies prwtoboylies.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: To Ypoyrgiko Symboylio asxolhqhke me to qema ayto; Egine syzhthsh sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio gia to qema ayto;

REPPAS: Sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio egine enhmerwsh apo ton armodio Ypoyrgo, ton k. Arsenh. O k. Pagkalos leipei stis Bryjelles - opws gnwrizete - den htan parwn shmera. Kai sta plaisia ayths ths enhmerwshs, eixame oloi th dynatothta, ta melh toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, na exoyme mia safh eikona gia to ti ginetai. Kai ayto poy ginetai, ekfrazetai me ta logia poy sas eipa egw.

KIAOS: Gia th xqesinh synanthsh Miloytinobits - Pagkaloy, exoyme kati perissotero;

REPPAS: H synanthsh ayth metajy toy k. Pagkaloy kai toy k. Miloytinobits ginetai se mia stigmh poy briskontai se ejelijh polla qemata. H syzhthsh aforoyse qemata dimeroys endiaferontos. Qa parakalesw, omws, epeidh sta plaisia ths diplwmatias polles fores oi leptoi xeirismoi epiballoyn kai periorismoys, na meinoyme se ayto. Den exoyme tipote parapanw na poyme. Shmera, jerete, o k. Pagkalos symmetexei sto Symboylio Genikwn Ypoqesewn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, opoy metajy twn allwn, h Synodos ayth qa asxolhqei kai me thn arsh twn diplwmatikwn kyrwsewn enanti ths Omospondiakhs Dhmokratias ths Gioygkoslabias. Qelw na pw, oti einai diafora ta qemata poy apasxoloyn tetoies synergasies. Kai oi xeirismoi poy ginontai ayth thn wra, einai para poly leptoi, wste na qewroyme pws den xreiazetai peraiterw anaptyjh toy periexomenoy aytwn twn syzhthsewn.

KIAOS: Eidikotera sto Skopiano, kyrie Ypoyrge, oson afora th synanthsh Pagkaloy - Miloytinobits...

REPPAS: Apanthsa, kyrie Kiao.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, hqela na sas rwthsw: Mhpws h Kybernhsh kaqysterhse na antilhfqei thn ektash kai th sobarothta toy problhmatos, opws eseis mas thn perigracate, dedomenoy oti mexri proxqes, o Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn k. Pagkalos qewroyse kai to edhlwse kai se synenteyjh toy oti to olo zhthma den einai sobaro qema.

REPPAS: Qa moy epitrecete, me aformh thn erwthsh sas, na pw to ejhs: Thn wra poy h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh edine mia maxh, maxh me leptoys xeirismoys, me synesh kai apofasistikoth- ta, den qa perimename na yparxoyn me thn parapoihsh dhlwsewn - giati peri aytoy prokeitai kai qa to dikaiologhsw eyqys amesws - fwnes memcimoirias kai cogoy kata ths Kybernhshs. Kai anaferomai sth dhlwsh ths Neas Dhmokratias. Giati, o k. Pagkalos sto sygkekrimeno edafio, sthn perikoph twn dhlwsewn toy, jekina me tis protaseis tis opoies kai eseis anaferate, alla oloklhro to keimeno an to diabasete, qa deite pws einai mia epanabebaiwsh twn pagiws diakhrygmenwn ellhnikwn qesewn: oti h Toyrkia me tetoioy eidoys gegonota lambanei aformes wste na prokalei, kata thn pagia praktikh ths, zhthmata genika peri to Aigaio, na amfisbhtei kyriarxika mas dikaiwmata. Ayto eipe kai o k. Pagkalos, ayth einai h qesh ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs. Kai se tetoioy eidoys kinhseis, ap' opoydhpote kai an proerxontai, emeis eimaste apofasistika antiqetoi kai empraktws antidroyme. Qa moy epitrecete na pw oti qa perimename - ayth thn wra poy h Kybernhsh edwse me epityxia ayth th maxh gia to sygkekrimeno qema - kai h Nea Dhmokratia na epaye toylaxiston gia ligo na antagwnizetai ton palaio kai jeperasmeno eayto ths. Giati kriname pws htan yperboliko na ycwsei th fwnh ths, fwnh kritikhs pros thn Kybernhsh, thn wra poy den eixe na pei kati gia thn energeia ayth, sthn opoia proebhsan Toyrkoi polites. Pisteyoyme oti ayto adikei kai th Nea Dhmokratia. Kai qewroyme pws h protash ths htan mia protash mesw ths opoias epexeirhse na xrhsimopoihsei ena eqniko qema ws paignio, xarin dhmioyrgias entypwsewn. Kai ayto, emas, mas briskei pagiws antiqetoys.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, yparxei apo thn allh pleyra (apo thn Toyrkia) kapoia ejhghsh gia ayth thn energeia twn "politwn" poy eipate, twn Toyrkwn politwn;

REPPAS: Prepei na sas pw oti oi plhrofories poy exoyme einai, oti apo thn pleyra twn epishmwn Arxwn ths Toyrkias o tonos, o opoios dinetai einai tonos xamhlwn "pthsewn". Kai akribws ginetai mia epishmansh apo polloys poy miloyn epishmws sthn Toyrkia, oti prepei ayto to qema na to parakoloyqhsei kai ekeinh h pleyra kai na to elegjei, wste na mhn ejelixqei se ena zhthma tribhs stis sxeseis metajy twn dyo xwrwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, to katadikazei;

REPPAS: Emeis pisteyoyme pws h Toyrkia ofeilei tetoioy eidoys energeies kai prwtoboylies dikwn ths politwn, poy dynamitizoyn thn prospaqeia gia thn ejomalynsh twn ellhno-toyrkikwn sxesewn, na tis katadikazei.

KARELIAS: Enas Toyrkos Yfypoyrgos dhlwse oti ayta ta qemata h Toyrkia qa ta antimetwpi- sei me th diplwmatia kai me to dialogo. Qelw na jerw, ean h qesh ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs einai taytoshmh.

REPPAS: H qesh ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs einai oti den exoyme kanena qema na syzhthsoyme kai na antimetwpisoyme prokeimenoy na to lysoyme, giati den yfistatai problhma stis ellhno- toyrkikes sxeseis allo, peran apo to qema ths yfalokrhpidas, pragma to opoio sas einai gnwsto. Sebomaste to Dieqnes Dikaio kai qeloyme kai h allh pleyra empraktws na kanei to idio. T.

MPERMPERAKHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, to sygkekrimeno epeisodio, se ayth th fash, gia thn Ellada exei lhjei;

REPPAS: Se ayth th fash to epeisodio qewroyme pws brisketai - qa elega - se entash "mhdenikh", an mporw na syndyasw th lejh "mhdenikh" me th lejh "entash". Xwris ayto na shmainei omws, oti emeis exoyme stamathsei na parakoloyqoyme prosektikws o,tidhpote exei sxesh me thn katastash sto mikro ayto nhsi.

KARASABA: Kyrie Ypoyrge, exoyn doqei eggyhseis apo thn pleyra ths Agkyras, gia to an aytoi oi Toyrkoi dhmosiografoi qa dikastoyn sthn Agkyra; Kai ean oxi, qa zhthsete eseis na erqoyn sthn Ellada gia na dikastoyn gia paranomh eisodo...

REPPAS: Pisteyoyme oti h epishmh toyrkikh hgesia mporei kai prepei na probei se apodokimasia tetoiwn energeiwn Toyrkwn politwn. Emeis den zhtoyme eggyhseis. Diaqetoyme eggyhseis. Kai oi eggyhseis aytes einai h safhs politikh mas, h opoia sthrizetai kai sto ajiomaxo twn Enoplwn Dynamewn mas - otan ayto xreiazetai na to ajiopoihsoyme - alla kai sth dynatothta poy exei h Ellada dia ths diplwmatikhs odoy na qetei ta qemata kai na prowqei tis apoceis ths.

MOYRTZHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, o k. Koyrhs dhlwse xqes oti prokeitai gia "eidikoys" dhmosiogra- foys, ypainissomenos oti exoyn kapoia sxesh me eqnikistikoys kykloys h me to stratokratiko kaqestws. Poia einai h apoch sas;

REPPAS: H apoch moy einai, opws anaferetai kai sth dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy - kai ayth einai kai h apoch ths Kybernhshs allwste - oti pragmatika htan mia energeia eqnikistikwn kyklwn, ths opoias h bash brisketai sto oti yparxei anagkh na antimetwpistoyn eswterika problhmata, poy einai polla kai megala sto eswteriko ths geitonos xwras. Egw, aplws, epishmainw oti h reystothta sthn Toyrkia kai ta megala problhmata poy antimetwpizei h koinwnia ths den prokeitai etsi na lyqoyn kai na antimetwpistoyn. As to gnwrizei ayto h Toyrkia. Kai oi opoioi kykloi krybontai pisw apo thn epishmh Toyrkia (an yparxei ena tetoio endexomeno) as gnwrizoyn oti den prokeitai na antimetwpisoyn ta eswterika problhmata ths geitonos me thn ejagwgh "naylwmenoy patriwtismoy", as to pw etsi.

FILIPPAKOPOYLOS: Dhladh, kyrie Ypoyrge, an katalaba kala apo thn apanthsh sas, h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh den aspazetai kai poly thn apoch oti prokeitai gia mia kinhsh ths sygkekrimenhs efhmeridas, toy topikoy kanalioy...

REPPAS: Eipame oti einai ena symban, to opoio jekinhse kai apo mono toy den dinei kapoia synepeia, an emene to klima periorismeno mono se ayto to symban. Alla to klima poy dhmioyrghqhke, jeperase ayta ta idia ta oria toy symbantos. Kai opwsdhpote - opws eipa kai sthn arxh - apetelese mia estia tribhs, h opoia dyskoleyei thn prospaqeia gia thn beltiwsh twn ellhno-toyrkikwn sxesewn.

KARASABA: Yphrje amerikanikh parembash;

REPPAS: H amerikanikh parembash egine katopin ths prosklhsews toy Amerikanoy presbh apo ton k. Pagkalo, prokeimenoy na enhmerwqei. Den yparxei allh antidrash ths...

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Den yphrje allh antidrash amerikanikh apo thn Oyasingkton sthn Agkyra;

REPPAS: Oxi, den gnwrizoyme na exei yparjei allh antidrash ths Amerikanikhs Kybernhshs, epishmh, toylaxiston.

KAMPOYRAKHS: To oti enhmerwqhke o Amerikanos presbhs, einai nohto dioti eimaste sto NATO. To oti enhmerwqhkan oi "15" einai logiko giati eimaste sthn Koinothta. To oti eklhqh o Rwsos presbhs, ti politiko nohma exei;

REPPAS: To oti h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh, h opoia bebaiws einai Kybernhsh mias xwras poy anhkei sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, sta plaisia mias polydiastaths ejwterikhs politikhs, exei kaqe logo na enhmerwnei jenoys diplwmates gia tis qeseis kai apoceis ths se qemata, ta opoia aforoyn oxi problhmata apla ths xwras mas se sxesh me kapoia allh xwra, alla problhmata (giati peri aytoy prokeitai) ta opoia anafyontai otan yparxoyn dynameis, oi opoies sthn prajh deixnoyn oti den sebontai to Dieqnes Dikaio. Kai kaqe xwra - kai h Rwsia einai mia apo aytes, megalh xwra - poy exei kapoio logo sthn thrhsh twn Kanonwn toy Dieqnoys Dikaioy, emeis qeloyme na einai se synennohsh kai epafh mazi mas, wste apo koinoy na prowqhsoyme energeies, na kanoyme prospaqeies gia th diasfalish twn Kanonwn toy Dieqnoys Dikaioy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mia erwthsh akomh kyrie Ypoyrge: Gia tis plhmmyres den syzhthse to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, kyrie Ypoyrge; Den eipate tipota;

REPPAS: Gia tis plhmmyres syzhthse to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Egine mia enhmerwsh, alla nomizw einai toso ektetamenh h enhmerwsh poy exete kai eseis, dyo meres twra. Exete analytikh enhmerwsh kai apo ton k. Laliwth. Yparxei se ejelijh ena programma antiplhmmyri- kwn ergwn, to opoio qa oloklhrwqei to 1997. Exei jekinhsei apo to 1994 kai nomizw oti h ylopoihsh aytoy toy programmatos brisketai se kalh poreia.

KARASABA: O k. Tzwrtz Stefanopoylos qa erqei thn Tetarth sthn Aqhna;

REPPAS: Den to gnwrizw ayto.

PENTARAKHS: To radiofwno toy ANTENNA moy eipe na sas rwthsw to ejhs: Paroysiasthke shmera apo mia ekpomph toy radiofwnoy ena hxhtiko apospasma, symfwna me to opoio o k. Foyras se mia synedriash toy Tomea Aqlhtismoy toy PASOK stis 8 Noembrioy, kataggellei oti o Proedros toy SEGAS k. Molybas edwse ena dis apo to tameio toy SEGAS prokeimenoy na ephreasei thn eklogh toy sthn Kentrikh Epitroph toy PASOK, kata to Synedrio toy Ioynioy toy 1994.

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw, alla o k. Foyras poy to eipe ayto;

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: To eipe ston Tomea Aqlhtismoy toy PASOK, kata th synedriash ths 8hs Noembrioy.

REPPAS: Nomizw oti sta plaisia twn diadikasiwn enos kommatikoy organoy, ta melh toy organoy aytoy exoyn to dikaiwma na ekfrazoyn eleyqera tis apoceis toys. Qa hqela na epishmanw kai na ekfrasw taytoxronws th lyph moy gia to oti edw yparxei mia "ypokloph", as to pw etsi, twn dialogwn poy eginan sta plaisia ayths ths synedriashs. Qa enhmerwqw, alla gia thn wra ekfrazw th lyph moy kai sas lew oti einai synhqes fainomeno entos twn kommatikwn organwn, ta melh na ekfrazontai eleyqera kai na anaptyssoyn tis apoceis toys.

PENTARAKHS: Epi ths oysias ths kataggelias, qa kanete eseis kapoia ereyna kai qa mas dwsete kapoia apanthsh se kapoio xrono;

REPPAS: Akoyste, ayto einai ena qema to opoio (an einai etsi opws to qetete, egw kalh th pisth mpainw se ayth th syzhthsh) to opoio dhmioyrghqhke logw syzhthsewn poy eginan sta plaisia enos kommatikoy organoy. Nomizw oti sto PASOK qa exete th dynatothta megalyterhs kai kalyterhs enhmerwshs, an to qema ayto einai toso shmantiko gia sas.
Sas eyxaristw, poly.