BRIEFING 23-01-96

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS 23/01/96

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO k. DHMHTRH REPPA

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Syggnwmh kyrie Ypoyrge, giati den qa paei o Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Shmiths;

REPPAS: Logw fortoy ergasias, giati exoyme mprosta mas programmatikes dhlwseis. Kai nomizw h prospaqeia poy kanei o k. Prwqypoyrgos na einai oso ginetai pio etoimos, sto syntomotero xroniko diasthma, den toy epitrepei na leicei apo thn Ellada, dedomenoy oti h synanthsh ayth qa diarkesei treis hmeres. Qa einai ekei o k. Tsoxatzopoylos. Th synanthsh ayth qa apasxolhsoyn kyriws qemata, ta opoia argotera qa apasxolhsoyn kai thn Diakybernhtikh kai pio sygkekrimena qemata ta opoia aforoyn toys tomeis ths apasxolhshs kai ths anaptyjhs. Ayta se genikes grammes. Eimai sth diaqesh sas. Na jekinhsw apo ton k. Filh poy ton blepw poly kala, einai kai sympatriwths moy!

FILHS: Sas eyxomeqa kala kaqhkonta!

REPPAS: Na eisai kala Niko!

FILHS: Hqela na rwthsw gia poio logo den qa parastei sth synanthsh h Ypoyrgos Anaptyjhs ka Basw Papandreoy, th stigmh poy ta qemata poy qa syzhthqoyn empiptoyn stis armodioth- tes ths;

REPPAS: Epeidh exei prohghqei kai allh synanthsh sta plaisia twn hgetwn twn Sosialistikwn Kommatwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, sta plaisia - qa elega kalytera - toy Eyrwpaikoy Sosialistikoy Kommatos, stis opoies synanthseis aytes symmeteixe o k. Tsoxatzopoylos. Kai nomizw oti einai logiko na symmetasxei kai sth nea ayth synanthsh.

KACAMPELHS: Ep' aytoy: Osakis dhladh xreiazetai o Prwqypoyrgos na anaplhrwnetai apo kapoion, qa ton anaplhrwnei o k. Tsoxatzopoylos;

REPPAS: Den yparxei tetoio qema. Einai ad hoc h ekproswphsh ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs apo ton k. Tsoxatzopoylo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, o Prwqypoyrgos xqes eipe prin ftiajei thn Kybernhsh, ton k. Xaralampopoylo. O k. Xaralampopoylos leei oti leei cemmata o k. Prwqypoyrgos. Ti symbainei;

REPPAS: O k. Prwqypoyrgos den eipe oti enhmerwse ton k. Xaralampopoylo. Eixe mia synomilia me ton k. Xaralampopoylo gia ton sxhmatismo ths Kybernhshs kai thn politikh ths poreia. Kai pragmati, o k. Prwqypoyrgos synomilhse me ton k. Xaralampopoylo gia to ergo ths Kybernhshs kai thn poreia ths Kybernhshs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Prin anakoinwqei h synqesh toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy;

REPPAS: Eixan epikoinwnia. Menw s' ayto.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dioti o k. Xaralampopoylos eipe oti meta...

REPPAS: O k. Xaralampopoylos exei thn apoch toy. Egw sas eipa oti o k. Prwqypoyrgos eixe synergasia me ton k. Xaralampopoylo gia thn poreia ths Kybernhshs kai to politiko ths ergo.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Gia poio logo o Prwqypoyrgos ejefrase tis eyxaristies toy ston k. Xaralampopoylo;

REPPAS: Profanws, giati qewrhse oti htan xrhsimes kai polytimes oi symboyles h h gnwmh poy toy ejefrase o k. Xaralampopoylos gia thn politikh poreia kai thn epityxia ths Kybernhshs.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela na ypobalw mia erwthsh me dyo skelh: Prwton, gia th dhlwsh toy k. Arsenh oti h Kybernhsh einai Kybernhsh Shmith. Kai deyteron, pws sxoliazete thn energeia toy k. Peponh na paei sto Wnaseio...

REPPAS: O k. Arsenhs metexei sthn Kybernhsh, ths opoias Prwqypoyrgos einai o Kwstas Shmiths. Allh erwthsh;

MIXAHL: H deyterh erwthsh moy, kyrie Ypoyrge, einai oti o k. Peponhs episkefqhke to Wnaseio prin analabei kaqhkonta kai opws eipe, zhthse thn egkrish toy Andrea Papandreoy...

REPPAS: H kinhsh ayth einai mia kinhsh abrofrosynhs kai qa elega deixnei to hqos toy k. Peponh. Htan kati to opoio den problepetai apo opoiadhpote allh syntagmatikh h nomikh diadikasia, alla en pash periptwsei o k. Peponhs enoiwse thn anagkh na kanei ayth th xeironomia. Den th sxoliazw.

MARDAS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, ena basiko xarakthristiko ths Kybernhsews toy k. Shmith einai h sygkrothsh ths me th logikh twn omadwn. Kat' alloys ayto ekfrazei mia synqetikh enwtikh antilhch kai kat' alloys shmainei aparxh katakermatismoy. Qelw na sas rwthsw: Protiqetai h Kybernhsh na dwsei grammh pros poia kateyqynsh, wste na dialyqoyn oi omades sto PASOK; Kai mia kai eseis eisqe Ypoyrgos Typoy kai anhkete sthn omada twn "epta", qa thn dialysete thn omada ayth;

REPPAS: Prwta ap' ola prepei - kai einai gnwsto ayto se sas - na jekaqarisoyme oti egw den apantw gia logariasmo toy PASOK. Deyteron, prepei na pw oti sta plaisia, mia kai einai koinh h politikh mas leitoyrgia, ths drasthriothtas poy exei to PASOK kai sto xwro ths Kybernhshs, einai kalo na ekfrazontai eleyqerws oles oi apoceis kai na syntiqentai wste na yparxei mia koinh pleysh, giati einai koinh h prospaqeia kai koinos o stoxos. Asfalws, oydeis symfwnei oti prepei na yparxoyn se politika kommata omades me thn ennoia twn proswpopagwn mhxanismwn. Ayto einai kati poy mas briskei oloys antiqetoys. Kai o k. Shmiths sto parelqon exei milhsei akribws gi' ayto: oti kai aytos einai antiqetos. Alla asfalws se kaqe komma kai nomizw kai sta plaisia ths Kybernhshs, kalo einai na mhn yparxei "monokalliergeia". Na yparxei h dynatothta eleyqerhs ekfrashs twn apocewn. Ayth einai h apanthsh.

MARDAS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qa dwsete eseis to kalo paradeigma kai qa dialysete thn omada twn "epta";

REPPAS: Den yparxei kammia omada, eite twn "epta", eite twn "dekaepta", eite twn "tessarwn", eite opoiwndhpote allwn. Yparxoyn prwtoboylies anqrwpwn, oi opoioi ekfrazoyn tis apoceis toys. Oi apoceis toys aytes nomizw oti prepei na ginontai sebastes akomh kai an mas briskoyn diafwnoyntes.

MARDAS: Kai mia akomh erwthsh: O Proedros ths Boylhs k. Apostolos Kaklamanhs sthliteyse ayth th logikh ths omadopoihshs kai milaei gia dynamikes meiochfies. Qa hqela to sxolio sas.

REPPAS: Einai oi apoceis toy k. Kaklamanh, tis opoies exei diatypwsei kai sto parelqon. Tis akoyme me pollh prosoxh. O k. Kaklamanhs, sth dhlwsh toy - prepei na epishmanw - leei kati to poly shmantiko: oti oloi afeidwleyta kai me eilikrineia prepei na sthrijoyme ton Prwqypoyrgo kai thn Kybernhsh wste na ejantlhqei h tetraetia, giati ayto einai pros to symferon ths xwras. Kai ayto exei megalh politikh shmasia kai mas briskei oloys symfwnoys.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, palaiotera, stis prohgoymenes Kybernhseis toy PASOK, isxye enas kanonas: Oti melh ths Kybernhshs den mporoyn na diafwnoyn me thn kybernhtikh politikh. O kanonas aytos isxyei kai sth nea Kybernhsh toy k. Shmith;

REPPAS: Nomizw oti opoiadhpote Kybernhsh, aparaithth proypoqesh gia na petyxei, qewrei th symfwnia twn melwn ths wste na yparjei panw se ayth th symfwnia, se ayth th bash, h synergasia toys, prokeimenoy na petyxei toys koinoys stoxoys. Mia einai h Kybernhsh. Oi Programmatikes Dhlwseis qa ekfrazoyn to synolo twn melwn ths Kybernhshs. Ara, oloi oi Ypoyrgoi qa ergazontai sthn idia kateyqynsh.

BAREMENOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, oi legomenoi "kentrogeneis" paraponoyntai (xrhsimopoioyn mia hpia ekfrash) epeidh kanenas ekproswpos toys den yparxei sthn Kybernhsh. Mhpws epeidh o k. Xaralampopoylos phre mono enteka chfoys, gi' ayto shmainei oti den einai ajia ekproswphshs h omada twn kentrogenwn sthn Kybernhsh;

REPPAS: O k. Xaralampopoylos einai ena stelexos me idiaiterh ajia kai shmasia, to opoio timoyme kai sebomaste apolytws. Akoyme pantote me prosoxh tis apoceis toy. Oson afora to sxolio to opoio kanete, den qa exw kapoia apanthsh na dwsw, me thn ennoia oti den symfwnw apolytws me th logikh sas. Diafwnw apolytws.

BAREMENOS: Erwthsh ekana.

REPPAS: Diafwnw apolytws.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ma, einai gegonos kyrie Ypoyrge oti...

REPPAS: Prepei an mpw sth dikh sas logikh na symfwnhsw mazi sas peri toy xarakthra kai toy stigmatos poy exei kaqena apo ta melh ths Kybernhshs. Kai ayto den einai swsto. Den protiqemai na to kanw, giati den antapokrinetai sta pragmata. Gi' ayto to logo kai mono.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, pws sxoliazete tis kritikes diaforwn stelexwn, opws toy k. Kaklamanh, toy k. Mpeh kai allwn gia th synqesh ths Kybernhshs;

REPPAS: H synqesh ths Kybernhshs einai melhma toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Kai pisteyw oti ekfrazei, me th synqesh ths, h Kybernhsh ayth kai thn synexeia kai thn ananewsh, wste na petyxoyme thn strathgikhs shmasias nikh, gia thn opoia milhsa kai xqes. Kai prepei na pw oti h Kybernhsh einai Kybernhsh toy PASOK.

PARIS: Yparxei proqesh sthn Kybernhsh na allajei tis Dioikhseis twn Trapezwn kai Organismwn kai an nai, poy sygkekrimena; Kai deyteron, yparxei xronodiagramma gia thn idiwtikopoihsh toy 8% toy OTE kai toy 10% ths DEP, giati einai kati poy exei kaqysterhsei para poly;

REPPAS: Einai poly prowro na sas dwsw sygkekrimenes apanthseis kai sta dyo qemata. Nomizw oti en ocei twn Programmatikwn Dhlwsewn prepei na eimaste ligo sygkrathmenoi sto na mpoyme se tetoies ejeidikeyseis gia to kybernhtiko ergo.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, h katarghsh toy Yfypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, einai ypobaqmish gia ton Apodhmo Ellhnismo h anabaqmish gia na asxoleitai o k. Pagkalos me ayto;

REPPAS: Gia ta qemata ayta h Kybernhsh, epeidh exoyn idiaitero baros kai endiaferon, qa synexisei na asxoleitai to idio, entonws. Nomizw oti yparxei synexeia, yparxei sygkekrimenh politikh, h opoia exei dwsei karpoys me to Symboylio Apodhmoy Ellhnismoy gia to opoio polla gnwrizete eseis, ej oswn gnwrizw kai egw. Kai nomizw oti h Kybernhsh qa synexisei me ton k. Pagkalo na diaqetei tis dynameis ekeines, oi opoies prepei na diatiqentai, wste na petyxainei sto ergo ths gia thn yposthrijh toy Apodhmoy Ellhnismoy.

FILHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, akoysa sta radiofwna shmera orismenoys synadelfoys sas sthn Kybernhsh na dhlwnoyn oti einai yper ths aplhs analogikhs. Hqela na rwthsw, prin tis Programmatikes Dhlwseis, an yparxei kapoia apoch ths Kybernhshs gia to qema.

REPPAS: Qelete na ginete ligo pio sygkekrimenos;

FILHS: O k. Papadelhs eipe se dhlwseis toy sto FLASH 9,61 oti einai yper ths aplhs analogikhs, opws epishs kai enas poly pistos synergaths toy Prwqypoyrgoy, o k. Paraskeyas Aygerinos, eipe to idio pragma. Ekfrazei ayto kati, peran apo proswpikh gnwmh;

REPPAS: Prepei na sas pw oti den einai stis proqeseis moy na sxoliazw tis apoceis synadelfwn, boyleytwn kai Ypoyrgwn genikws. Gia thn istoria omws prepei na pw oti o k. Papadelhs exei kai palaiotera ekfrasei tis proswpikes toy apoceis epi toy qematos kai shmera den ekane tipote allo para na epanalabei oti palaiotera eixe diatypwsei ayth thn apoch. Alla, prepei na sas pw oti tetoio qema den apasxolei thn Kybernhsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Apasxolei thn Kybernhsh qema allaghs toy eklogikoy nomoy;

REPPAS: Eipa oti tetoio qema den apasxolei thn Kybernhsh.

KIAOS: Ti qa ginei me toys Genikoys Grammateis twn Ypoyrgeiwn, qa parameinoyn oi idioi h qa allajoyn;

REPPAS: Einai poly prowro ayth thn wra, gia na sas dwsw opoiadhpote apanthsh. Einai poly prowro. Ayth thn wra, oi neoi Ypoyrgoi briskontai sth diadikasia enhmerwshs. Nomizw oti prohgoyntai alla qemata kai asfalws qa erqei kai h wra poy qa antimetwpisqei kai to sygkekrimeno qema to opoio qesate.

KOGIANNHS: Gia to diko mas Ypoyrgeio;

REPPAS: Xairomai poy eipate "to diko mas". Ayto me xaropoiei. Symfwnw apolyta. Einai diko sas.

KOGIANNHS: Den apanthsate, omws.

REPPAS: Apanthsa. Eipa oti einai prowro.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Epeidh hrqa ligo kaqysterhmena, qelw na rwthsw ti wra egine h synomilia toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton Giannh Xaralampopoylo; Prin h meta thn anakoinwsh ths Kybernhshs;

REPPAS: Einai poly dyskolo, eite dia zygarias, eite dia wrologioy na sas pw an htan mikroterh apo makra h perissoterh apo ligh h na sas prosdiorisw poia wra akribws egine.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Prin h meta apo thn anakoinwsh;

REPPAS: Egine prin, opws eipe o k. Prwqypoyrgos. Kai egine syzhthsh gia thn Kybernhsh, gia to yfos, to hqos kai thn prooptikh ths.

MARDAS: Oi Programmatikes Dhlwseis toy 1993, desmeyoyn thn Kybernhsh Shmith;

REPPAS: Asfalws. H Kybernhsh me th nea ths synqesh - epanalambanw kai pali - oti einai Kybernhsh synexeias, einai Kybernhsh toy PASOK. Alla, epeidh oytws h allws einai mia nea Kybernhsh, prepei na probei se Programmatikes Dhlwseis. "Kontos calmos, allhloyia"!

MARDAS: Qa hqela na rwthsw anaforika me to Skopiano: h Kybernhsh toy k. Shmith paramenei pisth sth qesh ths Kybernhshs toy Andrea Papandreoy;

REPPAS: Gia to qema ayto einai gnwstes oi qeseis ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs. Kai h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh shmera einai h Kybernhsh h opoia yposthrizetai apo thn kybernhtikh pleiochfia twn boyleytwn toy PASOK.

KACAMPELHS: O k. Pagkalos, o neos Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn, exei diatypwsei mia proswpikh apoch otan den htan Ypoyrgos, h opoia einai safws yper toy synqetoy onomatos, me ton oro "Makedonia", paragwgo toy oroy, sthn onomasia. Ayth thn proswpikh apoch toy k. Pagkaloy, thn ensternizetai h Kybernhsh;

REPPAS: O k. Pagkalos einai pleon Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn. Kai desmeyetai ws Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn stis qeseis ths Kybernhshs, oi opoies sas eipa oti gia to sygkekrimeno qema einai gnwstes.

PARIS: Se antapokriseis jenwn praktoreiwn, diplwmates apo thn Aqhna, ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, ejefrasan epifylajeis gia ton k. Pagkalo, logw diaforwn problhmatwn poy eixan anakycei sto parelqon se sxesh me th Germania kai thn Italia. Qelete na to sxoliasete;

REPPAS: Den exw logo na kanw sxolia egw, alla ayto poy prepei na pw - kai einai mia genikh politikh arxh - einai oti emeis ws xwra exoyme thn aytonomia mas kai ws Komma poy synqesame mia Kybernhsh, exoyme th dikh mas aytonomia, wste na akoyme me prosoxh tis gnwmes twn allwn, alla ayto to opoio sthn prajh qa ginei qa einai ayto poy apofasizoyme emeis.

FILHS: Mia dieykrinistikh erwthsh: Eipate oti o k. Pagkalos desmeyetai apo th qesh ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs, gia to qema twn Skopiwn, h opoia einai gnwsth. Poia einai;

REPPAS: Einai gnwsth kai exei diatypwqei kat'epanalhch.

FILHS: Poia einai;

REPPAS: Thn gnwrizete. Ths Kybernhshs PASOK, poy shmera einai Kybernhsh me Prwqypoyr- go ton Kwsta Shmith.

MIXAHL: Se synexeia ths erwthshs toy k. Pari, analoga dhmosieymata kai plhrofories

blepoyn to fws ths dhmosiothtas kai sthn Kypro kai malista yparxei mia anhsyxia gia anatroph toy Amyntikoy Dogmatos k.lp. Isxyei h idia apanthsh kai gi'ayto;

REPPAS: Asfalws. H kybernhtikh politikh einai eniaia.

ZERBONIKOLAKHS: Qa hqela na epanalabete th qesh ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs gia ta Skopia.

REPPAS: Einai gnwsth h qesh ayth kai epeidh brisketai se ejelijh ypo thn aigida toy OHE ayth h syzhthsh gia to gnwsto problhma, qa hqela na meinete sthn apanthsh poy edwsa kai prohgoymenws.

MARDAS: H Kybernhsh, gia to Skopiano, syzhta synqeth onomasia;

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh exei proselqei me sygkekrimenes qeseis, oi opoies paramenoyn oi idies. Prepei de na sas pw, me thn eykairia, oti h epomenh synanthsh problepetai na ginei eite thn ebdomada poy arxizei stis 12 Febroyarioy, eite thn ebdomada poy arxizei stis 26 Febroyarioy. Sas eyxaristw para poly.