Enhmervsh toy Typoy apo ton kybernhtiko ekprosvpo 4/1/96

YPOYRGEIO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS 04/01/96

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO k. THLEMAXO XYTHRH

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, ena diadikastiko prin arxisoyme: ayrio den qa kanoyme briefing.

XYTHRHS: Ayrio (05/01) den qa exoyme enhmerwsh. Th Deytera (08/01) kanonika stis 13:00. Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, apantwntas proxqes se mia erwthsh, milhsate gia "ektroph". Eixate synennohqei sxetika me ton prwqypoyrgeyonta, giati o k. Tsoxatzopoylos katadikase ayta poy eipate eseis.

XYTHRHS: To qema ayto exei hdh krathsei arketa. Htan qema toy "briefing" kai xqes kai proxqes. Epomenws, sas parapempw toson stis proxqesines oson kai stis xqesines moy dhlwseis. Kai arkoymai s' ayto.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Nai, alla einai kainoyrgio ayto toy k. Tsoxatzopoyloy, xqes to apogeyma bghke o k. Tsoxatzopoylos kai milhse kai eipe oti den egkrinei ayto, oti dhladh den symfwnei me thn "ektroph", sthn opoia eseis anaferqhkate.

XYTHRHS: Apanthsa xqes se oles tis erwthseis kai emmenw stis apanthseis moy.

MEGGRELHS: Yparxei diastash metajy ths dhlwsews sas kai ekeinhs toy k. Tsoxatzopoyloy.

XYTHRHS: To dihmero ayto erwthqhka kai apanthsa. To dihmero ayto erwthqhka ef' olhs ths ylhs (panw se ola ayta ta qemata) kai apanthsa.

SOYRMELIDHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, mporeite na mas peite ti akribws shmainei h dhlwsh toy k. Tsoxatzopoyloy; Einai prwqypoyrgeywn kai eseis ton ekproswpeite. Epomenws, ti shmainei h dhlwsh toy;

XYTHRHS: Sas epanalambanw gia pollosth fora oti apanthsa xqes kai proxqes se ola ayta. Kai gia th qesh moy apanthsa kai gia to rolo moy apanthsa.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, na sas diabasw epi lejei th dhlwsh toy k. Tsoxatzopoy- loy.

XYTHRHS: Den xreiazetai.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ma, sas parakalw. O k. Tsoxatzopoylos leei: "Einai anafaireto dikaiwma, katastatika katoxyrwmeno dikaiwma ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omados na sygklhqei symfwna me tis katastatikes arxes kai tis syntagmatikes proypoqeseis, gia na apanthsei se opoiodhpote qema". Eseis omws eipate oti h sygklhsh ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omados xwris thn egkrish toy Prwqypoyrgoy, einai ektroph. O k. Tsoxatzopoylos leei alla.

XYTHRHS: Mhn aploysteyete kai mhn epidiwkete na ypeiselqoyme ek neoy, dia ths plagias odoy, sto olo qema.

MIXAHL: Afoy parapempete stis xqesines sas dhlwseis, eipate epi lejei to ejhs: oti ean h Koinoboyleytikh Omada den exei thn sygkataqesh toy Andrea Papandreoy, den mporei na sygklhqei. Epi lejei to eipate. Egw malista sas rwthsa.

XYTHRHS: Sas kalw na diabasete prosektika to apomagnhtofwnhmeno keimeno toy briefing, giati sth synexeia akoloyqoyn kai alles erwthseis kai apanthseis. Ta opoia ola ayta lyqhkan xqes me th synedriash kai thn apofash toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy, to opoio prosdiorizei to plaisio twn peraiterw ejelijewn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, na symperanoyme oti yparxei diastash prwqypoyrgeyontos kai Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy;

XYTHRHS: Kammia diastash.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pws den yparxei; Alla leei o enas, alla leei o allos.

XYTHRHS: H apanthsh moy einai: Kammia diastash. Allh erwthsh;

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, sas phre mhpws o k.Tsoxatzopoylos, meta apo aytes tis dhlwseis sas, eite na to syzhthsete, eite na sas pei oti den htan swstes aytes oi dhlwseis poy kanate; Sas phre thlefwno o k. Tsoxatzopoylos gi' ayto to qema; Eixate kammia epafh mazi toy;

XYTHRHS: Me ton k. Tsoxatzopoylo...

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Anaferomai panta gia meta tis dhlwseis sas.

XYTHRHS:...epikoinwnw syxna - pykna. Kai sas kalw na melethsete prosektika kai tis dhlwseis toy k. Tsoxatzopoyloy kai tis dikes moy. Allh erwthsh;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ma, o k. Tsoxatzopoylos aporriptei thn "ektroph". Qewrei nomimh th sygklhsh ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas. Poio apo ta dyo isxyei;

XYTHRHS: Loipon, allh erwthsh.

KAKABAS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, egw qa hqela symperasmatika na pw oti yphrjate stoxos epiqesewn kai malista apo synadelfoys sas, kapoios de boyleyths (den qymamai to onoma toy) eipe oti "o k. Xythrhs ekfrazei mono ton eayto toy". Qa qelate na dwsete mia apanthsh s' ayto to qema poy dhmioyrgeitai;

XYTHRHS: Apanthsa xqes s' ayto, dhladh gia to rolo moy.

KAKABAS: Symperasmatika qa hqela na dwsete mia apanthsh.

XYTHRHS: Apanthsa gia to rolo moy xqes. Diabaste to xqesino "briefing". Na mhn ta epanalambanoyme kaqe mera. Allh erwthsh;

SKOYRHS: To Ektelestiko Grafeio, xqes, sthn apofash toy, afhnei anoikto to endexomeno na dromologhqei lysh xwris ton Andrea Papandreoy. Den einai etsi;

XYTHRHS: To Ektelestiko Grafeio, xqes, phre thn apofash toy. Mia apofash swsth, h opoia kaqorizei to plaisio twn parapera kinhsewn, se o,ti afora kai thn Kentrikh Epitroph kai thn Koinoboyleytikh Omada. Sas ypenqymizw akomh oti xqes yphrje synanthsh toy Proedreioy ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas me ton Grammatea ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs kai akoloyqhse sth synexeia synedriash kai apofash toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy. Loipon, sas parapempw sth sygkekrimenh apofash toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy kai qa sas parakalesw na meinoyme s' aythn. Oriste, o k. Kiaos.

KIAOS: Sto plaisio aytwn poy lete, skeptetai h Kybernhsh, to Ektelestiko Grafeio, h Koinoboyleytikh Omada, h Kentrikh Epitroph, as ta aqroisoyme ola mazi h as katalhjoyme sthn Kybernhsh, an skeptetai loipon h Kybernhsh na proxwrhsei sth lysh toy adiejodoy, mesw diadikasiwn kaqara koinoboyleytikwn mesa apo th Boylh, eite me nomoqethmenes ryqmiseis (tropopoiwntas h symplhrwnontas nomoys) eite proteinontas lysh mesw nomoqethme- nhs ryqmisews.

XYTHRHS: To plaisio twn kinhsewn prosdiorizetai apo th xqesinh apofash toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy. Kai afoy h apofash anaferetai se sygklhsh ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs kai ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omados, sto plaisio ayto qa lhfqoyn oi opoies parapera apofaseis.

KIAOS: Syggnwmh kyrie Ypoyrge, alla egw ennooysa sygkekrimena: yparxei o nomos 1985 (an qymamai kala) basei toy opoioy anaplhroytai o Prwqypoyrgos. Mhpws skeptetai h Kybernhsh na symplhrwsei to nomo ayto, wste na mporesei na proxwrhsei sth diadikasia antikatastase- ws toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

XYTHRHS: Epanalambanw oti opoia peraiterw apofash lhfqei, qa ginei meta apo syzhthsh sthn Kentrikh Epitroph kai sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada, opws exei kaqorisqei apo thn xqesinh apofash toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy.

MEGGRELHS: Dhladh kata th diadikasia dromologhshs aytwn twn parapera kinhsewn, den qa erwthqei o k. Papandreoy; (Den akoygetai eykrinws).

XYTHRHS: Sthn xqesinh apofash toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy ola anaferontai.

MEGGRELHS: Den anaferetai tipote.

XYTHRHS: Profanws, elpida mas einai oti mexri thn hmeromhnia ths sygklhshs ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs qa mporesei na erwthqei o idios o Proedros toy PASOK kai Prwqypoyrgos Andreas Papandreoy.

MELETHS: An den mporesei;

XYTHRHS: Einai mia ypoqetikh erwthsh. Kai ayto akribws qa syzhthqei sthn Kentrikh Epitroph stis 20 Ianoyarioy.

FILHS: Einai pragmatikh h erwthsh, kyrie Ypoyrge. Edw kai enamish mhna den exei katastei dynaton na erwthqei.

XYTHRHS: Ola ta tyxon erwthmata poy qa exoyn prokycei mexri tote, qa syzhthqoyn sthn Kentrikh Epitroph stis 20 Ianoyarioy.

ZERBONIKOLAKHS: O k. Kastanidhs, xqes, o opoios einai Ypoyrgos ths Kybernhshs, edwse mia ermhneia gia ton oro "ekleipei". Symfwna me thn ermhneia ayth, o Prwqypoyrgos einai apwn. Einai Ypoyrgos ths Kybernhshs o k. Kastanidhs.

XYTHRHS: Sigoyra. Sebomenos kaqe apoch, epitrecte moy na parameinw sthn apanthsh poy edwsa, xqes, sto qema ayto.

MPERMPERAKHS: Mporeite na mas peite an yparxei to endexomeno na metabei o Prwqypoyr- gos stis HPA;

XYTHRHS: Den to gnwrizw.

FILHS: Yparxei mia diastash apocewn anamesa se syntagmatologoys alla kai anamesa sta politika kommata - yparxei kai entos toy PASOK - ws pros thn ermhneia toy syntagmatikoy oroy "ekleipei". Sto analogo problhma toy an qa chfize o anaplhrwn tote ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias o makariths Aleyras, gia thn eklogh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias, yphrxe ena syntagmatiko keno. Tote, h Kybernhsh toy Andrea Papandreoy eixe prosfygei sth Boylh kai eixe lyqei to problhma me thn apofash ths Boylhs kai chfise o aeimnhstos Aleyras. H Kybernhsh, h opoia merimna - kai prepei na merimna, fantazomai oti qelei na merimna - gia thn orqh leitoyrgia twn qesmwn, skeptetai na akoloyqhsei thn idia diadikasia, dhladh mia syzhthsh sth Boylh, gia ena syntagmatiko problhma toso krisimhs shmasias poy den afora mono to PASOK kai toys boyleytes toy;

XYTHRHS: Oxi, den syntrexei tetoios logos. Kai den einai h Boylh, o xwros ston opoio mporei na syzhthqei kai na lyqei ena tetoio problhma, opws ayto sto opoio anaferesqe.

FILHS: O kaqhghths syntagmatologos k. Skoyrhs (o opoios kaqe allo para antipoliteyomenes apoceis exei), eipe oti to mono armodio organo gia na lysei ayth th diafwnia poy yparxei kai epi politikoy epipedoy, einai h Olomeleia ths Boylhs.

XYTHRHS: Einai mia apoch ayth toy k. Skoyrh, alla den einai h epikratoysa apoch.

FILHS: H Kybernhsh den aisqanetai thn anagkh na lysei ayto to sobaro problhma, estw me kapoia syzhthsh sthn Olomeleia; Ta talk-shows sthn thleorash einai kalyteros xwros gia th syzhthsh toy problhmatos;

XYTHRHS: Ta talk-shows den lynoyn to problhma.

FILHS: To syzhtoyn omws.

XYTHRHS: To syzhtoyn, giati ayth einai h doyleia toys.

FILHS: H Boylh...

XYTHRHS: H Boylh den einai talk-show!

FILHS: Mia protash syntagmatikhs leitoyrgias den qa teqei sth Boylh;

XYTHRHS: Den einai to qema ayto gia th Boylh. Mh sygxeete th Boylh me ta talk-shows.

FILHS: To qema den afora th Boylh, poy exei dwsei entolh sxhmatismoy Kybernhsews;

XYTHRHS: Den einai qema ayto gia th Boylh. Allh erwthsh;

MPOYRDARAS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw gia th sygklhsh ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas, epeidh exoyme kapoia kainoyrgia stoixeia. Dhladh, th syllogh ypografwn ek meroys toy Proedreioy ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas gia thn amesh sygklhsh toy organoy, prokeimenoy na syzhthsoyn to politiko zhthma twn hmerwn. Epimenete sthn apoch oti o monos armodios einai o Proedros toy Kommatos h ta organa poy ton antikaqistoyn (dhladh to Ektelestiko Grafeio kai h Kentrikh Epitroph) gia na sygklhqei h Koinoboyleytikh Omada h mporei twra ean h pleiochfia twn boyleytwn qelhsei, na exoyme mia amesh synedriash prin apo tis 20 toy mhnos;

XYTHRHS: Menw s'ayta poy eipame xqes gia to olo qema. Epishs, qelw na sas pw pros dieykolynsh sas oti ayth th stigmh synedriazei to Proedreio ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mazeyei ypografes, omws.

XYTHRHS: Allh erwthsh exete;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Steilate epistolh;

XYTHRHS: Oxi, den exw steilei akoma.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa steilete;

XYTHRHS: Perimenw thn apofash toy Proedreioy ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas, to opoio synedriazei ayth thn wra.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Skeptetai h Kybernhsh na sygxarei, epi th apoxwrhsei toy, ton Proedro ths Portogalias k. Soares, o opoios se hlikia 71 etwn qewrhse oti einai megalos gia na synexisei thn politikh toy kariera;

XYTHRHS: H Kybernhsh, bebaiws, epitelei to ergo ths se oloys toys tomeis. Kai epomenws, kai ston tomea ayton, ton diplwmatiko. Kai epi th apoxwrhsei kai epi th analhcei. Sas eyxaristw.