[01] Stoyrnaras: Syntoma n/s gia thn aplopoihsh twn apokratikopoihsewn

H dhlwsh toy Giannh Stoyrnara

``Egine enhmerwsh apo to TAIPED gia ta 10 wrimotera erga. Epishs, enhmerwqhkame apo ton Prwqypoyrgo oti aneqese ston Geniko Grammatea ths Kybernhshs, k. Mpaltako, na ftiajei ena nomosxedio, opoy qa yparxoyn 77 dioikhtikes prajeis, poy qa dieykolynoyn tis apokratikopoihseis kai aforoyn kyriws tria ypoyrgeia, to ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn, to ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs, Antagwnistikothtas kai Ypodomwn kai to YPEKA.

Dhmosiografos: Ayto to nomosxedio qa to syzhthsete ayrio;

I. Stoyrnaras: Oxi, ayto to nomosxedio qa ekponhqei.

Dhmosiografos: Stoxo gia ta esoda sta ypoyrgeia exoyme, se o,ti afora apokratikopoihseis gia fetos toylaxiston;

I. Stoyrnaras: Oxi, den exoyme gia fetos stoxo.

Dhmosiografos: Katalogo qa dwsete gia ta 10 wrimotera erga;

I. Stoyrnaras: Syn tw xronw.

Dhmosiografos: H symmetoxh toy Dhmosioy kata 51% stis epixeirhseis strathgikoy xarakthra qa meiwqoyn;

I. Stoyrnaras: Qa ta doyme ayta sta 77 nomoqethmata poy qa perasoyn, qa einai mesa''.

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[02] Koybelhs: Apokratikopoihseis me diafaneia kai nomimothta

H dhlwsh toy Fwth Koybelh

``Eixame mia diejodikh syzhthsh anaforika me tis apokratikopoihseis. Oysiastika eprokeito gia mia enhmerwtikh diadikasia.

Ekeino to opoio epilegetai einai h opoia apokratikopoihsh qa prepei na ejasfalizei thn ejyphrethsh toy dhmosioy symferontos, qeseis ergasias, oysiastikes ependyseis kai, profanws, me oroys kai kanones nomimothtas kai dieqnoys diafaneias.

Akoloyqoyn oi erwthseis

Er: Symfwnhsate na allajoyn ta nomoqethmata ekeina ta opoia problepoyn se epixeirhseis strathgikoy xarakthra 51 % ths symmetoxhs na einai dhmosio kai na mhn epitrepetai panw apo 20% symmetoxh se idiwth;

Ap: Oxi. Den egine kamia syzhthsh gi ayto to qema. Egine anafora sta prowqoymena megeqh twn apokratikopoihsewn, xwris na yparjei h opoiadhpote ejeidikeysh.

Htan mia prwth enhmerwsh, h opoia bebaiws qa synodeytei kai apo tis synergasies mas gia thn ejeidikeysh twn prowqoymenwn apokratikopoihsewn.

Epilegw, gia mia allh fora, na tonisw oti ekeino poy symfwnhqhke einai h diafaneia, h nomimothta, h ejyphrethsh toy dhmosioy symferontos kai profanestata na yparjoyn ependyseis poy qa dwsoyn qeseis ergasias.

Er: Milhsate gia th xqesinh synanthsh me thn troika;

Ap: Oxi. Den egine kamia syzhthsh gia ta zhthmata armodiothtas toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn. To ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn etoimazei thn Ekqesh poy qa apeyqynei sthn troika kai einai profanes oti qa enhmerwqoyme sto amesws prosexes xroniko diasthma.

Er: Gia to Taxydromiko Tamieythrio syzhthsate;

Ap: Oxi. Den egine kamia anafora. Ayta poy periegraca einai akribws ayta poy syzhthsame.

Er: Qa dwsete katalogo epixeirhsewn pros ameses apokratikopoihseis;

Ap: Oxi. Anakoinwsh den qa yparjei mesa se ayth thn ebdomada. Allwste eprokeito gia mia prwth enhmerwtikh synanthsh.

Qa prepei na prowqhqei h sxetikh antimetwpish olwn twn zhthmatwn kai tote qa yparjei opwsdhpote gnwstopoihsh pros ton ellhniko lao kai bebaiws pantote sto plaisio ths diafaneias kai ths ofeilomenhs nomimothtas etsi wste o ellhnikos laos na gnwrizei ti akribws epidiwkoyme me aytes tis metarryqmiseis kai me aytes tis apokratikopoihseis''.

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[03] Benizelos: Ajiopoihsh kai oxi ekpoihsh ths dhmosias perioysias

H dhlwsh toy Eyaggeloy Benizeloy

``E. Benizelos: H synanthsh me toys dyo politikoys arxhgoys eixe ws antikeimeno thn poreia toy programmatos apokratikopoihsewn, poy to blepoyme apolytws syndedemeno me thn prospaqeia ths xwras na anasxesei thn yfesh kai na badisei jana pros qetikoys ryqmoys anaptyjhs. Oi apokratikopoihseis den einai ena programma ekpoihshs alla ena programma ajiopoihshs ths perioysias toy dhmosioy, poy syndeetai me alla ependytika programmata kai me th dhmioyrgia qesewn ergasias. Den prepei na milame monon gia th dyskolh och twn dhmosionomikwn metrwn sth xwra mas alla gia to neo montelo anaptyjhs, gia to pws mporoyme na kanoyme to kratos mas, mikrotero kai ejypnotero, pio filiko gia tis ependyseis, pio filiko gia thn apasxolhsh, pio filiko gia ton polith. Sthrizoyme kai enqarrynoyme tis prwtoboylies aytes toy Tameioy Ajiopoihshs Idiwtikhs Perioysias toy Dhmosioy. H nea dioikhsh paroysiasthke shmera kai mas ekane ayth thn prwth enhmerwsh kai qa synexisoyme ayrio, pali me anaptyjiakoy xarakthra qemata, ta opoia mporoyn na dwsoyn mia anasa sthn talaipwrhmenh ellhnikh oikonomia kai koinwnia.

Dhmosiografos: Katalhjate ston katalogo amesa pros apokratikopoihsh;

E. Benizelos: Oxi, mas paroysiasthkan ta sxedia ta opoia einai se ejelijh giati eixe ginei mia para poly shmantikh proergasia oloys toys prohgoymenoys mhnes. Yparxoyn symboyloi poy ergazontai, yparxoyn diadikasies, oi opoies einai ayth th stigmh anoixtes, yparxoyn ependytes poy exoyn ekdhlwsei endiaferon. Prepei na steiloyme ena mhnyma enqarryntiko, ena mhnyma qetiko. Kai prepei na ginetai antilhpto kai sth dieqnh koinh gnwmh oti h Ellada den einai o kakos etairos, den einai o aposynagwgos kai den einai kai o amnos ``o airwn tas amartias'' ths Eyrwzwnhs. Edw sthn Ellada exoyn petyxei oi Ellhnes polites me ton idrwta kai tis qysies toys thn pio entypwsiakh dhmosionomikh prosarmogh ta prohgoymena 2,5 xronia kai tis pio entypwsiakes diarqrwtikes allages, gi' ayto ki exoyme kerdisei ena megalo meros ths antagwnistikothtas. Alla dystyxws ayth h diarkhs syzhthsh, ayth h arnhtikh eikona poy exei epiblhqei ws stereotypo dieqnws gia thn Ellada, mas yponomeyei telika kai anaptyjiaka kai ependytika kai dhmosionomika. Ki ayton to faylo kyklo qeloyme na spasoyme.

Dhmosiografos: Gia ta alla metra dhmosionomikhs prosarmoghs;

E. Benizelos: Den milhsame shmera gia ta qemata ayta.

Dhmosiografos: Balate alla qemata sto trapezi;

E. Benizelos: Trexonta qemata gia ta opoia qa milhsoyme ayrio.

Dhmosiografos: Opws h laqrometanasteysh gia paradeigma;

E. Benizelos: Milhsame bebaiws, milhsame, giati prepei h efarmogh toy nomoy, h epibolh ths nomimothtas, h efarmoghs enos oloklhrwmenoy sxedioy gia to kentro ths Aqhnas kai gia th nomimothta kai thn asfaleia sthn Aqhna kai tis megales poleis na ginei etsi wste na mhn metaferetai to problhma se alles perioxes h se alles poleis. Einai to eidiko problhma ths Qrakhs, ths Janqhs kai ths Komothnhs, poy prepei na antimetwpistei kai to eqesa ston Prwqypoyrgo. Epishs milhsame gia ta megala problhmata poy antimetwpizei h topikh aytodioikhsh se sxesh kai me th dhmosionomikh prosarmogh. Kai epeidh jeroyme poies einai oi agwnies ths topikhs aytodioikhshs poy paizei poly shmantiko rolo giati steketai konta ston polith kai konta idiws stis oikogeneies poy briskontai se katastash ftwxeias, qeloyme na breqoyn lyseis, oi opoies na dieykolynoyn thn topikh aytodioikhsh na paizei to rolo ths ayton ths pronoias kai ths koinwnikhs synoxhs''.

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[04] Synanthsh Samara-Peres kai geyma ergasias

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[05] D. Tzamtzhs: Na stamathsoyn oi megalostomies peri jepoylhmatos

Akoloyqei apospasma ths synenteyjhs:

GIA MH ENHMERA DANEIA ATE

D. TZAMTZHS: ``Ta mh enhmera daneia, ayta ta opoia exoyn agrotikh gh kai de mporoyn na proxwrhsoyn oi ofeiletes, na ta ejoflhsoyn, na apoplhrwnoyn doseis, qa ryqmistoyn me nomo kai einai sto kommati poy menei sthn ATE, to opoio kommati to fortwnetai pleon to kratos, gia na mh leme cemata ston eayto mas. Einai ena qema to opoio pragmatika kaiei, alla qa ryqmistei nomoqetika''

GIA APOKRATIKOPOIHSEIS

D. TZAMTZHS: ``Epeidh eykola legontai koybentes, egw exw na pw ena pragma. H prepei na proxwrhsoyme epiteloys se aytes tis diarqrwtikes allages h xanoyme to paixnidi. Kapote prepei na ginei katanohto ayto, ki as afhsoyme tis megalostomies peri jepoylhmatos h otidhpote allo. Mporei kaneis na diabebaiwsei oti ayrio h ajia enos oikopedoy, enos spitioy, enos ktirioy, mias epixeirhshs, qa einai ayth poy einai shmera;''

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[06] S. Boyltech - K. Poylakhs - B .Kapernaros - B. Oikonomoy

``Ta metra twn 11,5 dis eyrw einai oi ypoxrewseis apo to mnhmonio 2, einai oi ypoxrewseis tis opoies eixe ypogracei o Samaras kai o Benizelos apo ton Febroyario toy 2012'' tonise o K. Poylakhs, Melos Politikhs Grammateias SYRIZA kai prosqese oti h epanadiapragmateysh exei jexastei.

``Exoyme bohqhsei kai exoyme kanei protaseis, oti den einai dynaton pote na synexistei ayto to kratos me ayth th morfh spatalhs'' dhlwse o boyleyths ``Anejarthtoi Ellhnes'', B. Kapernaros kai prosqese tonizontas oti ``Oxi to programma den bgainei''.

``Den qa diakindynecw kataggelia mnhmonioy, dhladh ejw h xwra apo thn EE. Qa paw me pio hpia meqodo kai m' ena dromo poy mporei na einai poly dyskolos alla me krataei mesa sthn Eyrwph'' tonise o ekproswpos ths DHMAR, B. Oikonomoy.

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[07] X. Staikos: O katalogos twn metrwn den exei telos

Akoloyqei apospasma ths synenteyjhs:

X. STAIKOS: `` O katalogos me ta metra den exei telos. Ara fainetai oti oi sklhres diapragmateyseis den yphrjan pote, den htan allwste kai stis proqeseis ths kybernhshs na kanei alles diapragmateyseis. Exoyn parei apofash na paroyn ta 11,5 dis metra, syn ta 3 dis apo thn yfesh poy exei yparjei kai perimenoyme kai alla metra piqanon logw ths baqyterhs yfeshs to epomeno xroniko diasthma.''

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[08] Gkokas: ``Ta metra twn 11,5 dis einai aporroia ths symfwnias toy Febroyarioy''

Synenteyjh sthn ekpomph ``Sta mesa kai sta ejw'' me ton Basilh Mpeskenh.

Akoloyqei apospasma ths synenteyjhs:

GIA KLYDWNISMOYS STH SYGKYBERNHSH

X. GKOKAS: ``Se kamia periptwsh de mpainei se amfisbhthsh h symfwnia kai gia mia diakybernhsh me orizonta tetraetias, arkei na throyntai ta basika plaisia ths programmatikhs symfwnias gia th diakybernhsh kai na yparxei kapoio apotelesma se sxesh me ta pragmatika problhmata poy antimetwpizei o poliths''

GIA METRA 11,5 DIS

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: ``Ta metra twn 11,5 dis einai aporroia toy anapofasistoy kyrioy Benizeloy ws ypoyrgoy Oikonomikwn.''

X. GKOKAS: ``Einai aporroia ths symfwnias toy Febroyarioy, den einai aporroia twn apofasewn toy kyrioy Benizeloy. Einai mia symfwnia''

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: ``Ws ypoyrgoy Oikonomikwn kai armodios gia tis diapragmateyseis.''

X. GKOKAS: ``Ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn o kyrios Benizelos, omws yphrje h kybernhsh synergasias, poy apofasise kai h Boylh. Ayto htan to apotelesma twn tote diapragmateysewn. Mhn jexname se poies synqhkes syzhtoysame tote''

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[09] Ews 7 oi doseis gia thn ejoflhsh toy foroy lene oi plhrofories

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