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[01] PROEDRIKES EKLOGES - QEMISTOKLEOYS - SYNENTEYJH STO KYPE

[01] PROEDRIKES EKLOGES - QEMISTOKLEOYS - SYNENTEYJH STO KYPE

Se synenteyjh toy sto KYPE, o Kwstas Qemistokleoys dhlwnei oti epiqymei lysh entos toy 2008, tonizei pws einai katalytikos o paragontas xronos kai zhta apo ton chfoforo na yposthrijei ston prwto gyro thn ypochfiothta ``qesewn, problhmatismoy kai epiloghs'', thn opoia antiproswpeyei.

Dhlwnei oti den mporei na symbibastei me thn idea ths dixotomhshs, enw monadikh toy politikh filodojia, einai na dei thn Kypro na epanenwnetai.

Enocei kai th apocinhs prwths diakanalikhs syzhthshs twn triwn ypochfiwn, o k. Qemistokleoys ekfrazei, akomh, diamartyria gia thn apoysia toy kai kalei, estw kai thn ystath toys k. Papadopoylo kai Xristofia na mhn periorisoyn to dialogo.

ER: Kyrie Qemistokleoys apoce qa exoyme thn prwth diakanalikh twn triwn ypochfiwn, apo thn opoia qa apoysiazete

KQ: Parallhlizontas to qema me to eyrw, opoy synantoyme stroggylopoihsh pros ta panw, se o,ti afora tis diakanalikes, nomizw oti o k. Papadopoylos kai o k. Xristofias -giati aytoi feroyn enstash gia th dikh moy symmetoxh- exoyn stroggylopoihsei to dialogo kai th dhmokratia pros ta katw. Dystyxws, peripoy ekbiastika eipan oti ``an qa einai o k. Qemistokleoys emeis den qa erqoyme stis diakanalikes``. Estw kai thn ystath, kanw mia ekklhsh pros toys dyo, na mhn metaxeirizontai to dikaiwma toy polith kat ayton ton tropo. Anti na qeloyn na periorisoyn to dialogo kai th dhmokratia kai thn ekfrash apocewn, h ypoxrewsh toys ws piqanwn mellontikwn proedrwn aytoy toy kratoys einai akribws pros thn antiqeth kateyqynsh.

ER: Gnwrizete oti den eiste apo toys basikoys diekdikhtes ths proedrias. Poio einai loipon to zhtoymeno;

KQ: Ejarxhs, apo tis 24 Aprilioy otan ekdhlwsa thn proqesh moy na eimai ypochfios tonisa oti ayth h ypochfiothta den stoxeyei ston proedriko qwko. Einai mia ypochfiothta syneidhshs kai kataqeshs qesewn panw sto Kypriako, prwtistws, alla xwris na me afhnoyn adiaforo ta ypoloipa qemata, poy qa beltiwsoyn h qa ypobaqmisoyn, analoga me toys xeirismoys, to biotiko epipedo twn politwn.

ER: Ean enas apo toys stoxoys sas einai h allagh kai h apoxwrhsh toy Tassoy Papadopoyloy apo th ejoysia giati den strafhkate se enan apo toys alloys diekdikhtes gia na ton enisxysete;

KQ: O oros allagh exei talaipwrhqei. Htan to kyriarxo synqhma oswn mas exoyn kybernhsei ta pente teleytaia xronia. Den akoygame tipote allo para apo to synqhma ths allaghs. Shmera pente xronia meta kanenas den anaferetai sto synqhma poy htan kai to prwto ths trimeroys. O oros aytos gia mena exei fqarei.

ER: Ti antiproteinete;

KQ: Allh politikh kai ek twn pragmatwn allo proswpo. Den htan mono o k. Papadopoylos poy kybernoyse, htan kai o k. Xristofias, htan kai o k. Omhroy. Den qa mporoyse o k. Papadopoylos na anelqei sthn ejoysia an den eixe th sthrijh toy megaloy kommatos poy einai to AKEL. Epomenws yparxei mia synypeyqynothta. Den dexomai to oti kapoios ligoys mhnes prin apo tis ekloges bgazei thn oyra toy ejw kai leei oti twra ``eimai antipalos toy k. Papadopoyloy''. O k. Papadopoylos, o k. Xristofias einai sthn pleyra twn krinomenwn kai oxi ton krinontwn.

ER: Sto deytero gyro ti skopeyete na prajete;

Den einai kaqoloy sofo enas ypochfios na mila gia to ti qa kanei sto deytero gyro. Akomh kai o k. Xristofias poy mas elege oti an meinei ejw qa yposthrijei ton k. Papadopoylo stamathse na to leei. O deyteros gyros einai mia allh eklogh. Lew stoys chfoforoys thn prwth Kyriakh na chfisoyn giati pisteyoyn se ayta poy lew kai sto deytero gyro na epilejoyn metajy twn dyo poy qa meinoyn ekeinon poy qewroyn oti einai o pio katallhlos gia proedros.

ER: To Kypriako kai h morfh lyshs breqhke sto epikentro ths proeklogikhs ekstrateias. Poio einai to swsto periexomeno gia esas;

KQ: Oi qeseis moy einai oso pio kaqares ginetai kai sygkekrimenes. Xwris ypologismoys kai xwris skopimothtes, dioti exw yioqethsei th rhsh poy leei oti h alhqeia poy enoxlei sto telos einai pio xrhsimh apo to cema poy boleyei. Kai gia to Kypriako qa prepei na lexqoyn alhqeies.

ER: Kai poies einai aytes;

KQ: Amesws meta tis proedrikes ekloges na jekinhsei entatikos dialogos metajy toy k. Talat kai toy E/k hgeth, o opoios qa prokycei apo thn anametrhsh. Enas entatikos dialogos eji mhnwn. Den fobamai ta xronodiagrammata, antiqeta ta epidiwkw giati den qelw na afhsw to Kypriako se baqos xronoy, qelw na lyqei to 2008. Mporei na yparjei symfwnhmenh lysh, h opoia prin apo to telos toy xronoy qa teqei jana se jexwrista dhmochfismata. Eji mhnes einai arketoi. Den qelw na jekinhsoyme apo thn arxh, dioti mporei na parei alla deka xronia na broyme th bash twn synomiliwn.

ER: Kai poia qa einai h bash twn synomiliwn;

Oi parametroi twn Hnwmenwn Eqnwn. Exoyn ypoblhqei kata periodoys diafora sxedia, me pio oloklhrwmeno to teleytaio, to sxedio Anan. H allh pleyra eipe oti einai etoimh na mpei se ena dialogo efoson oi protaseis mas epi toy sxedioy katateqoyn kai einai fysiologiko na ypobaloyn kai ekeinoi tis protaseis toys. Epomenws, to plaisio poy qa teqei sto trapezi einai etoimo. Kanw kai mia allh protash me cyxologiko periexomeno: Oi synanthseis na ginontai th mia mera sto grafeio toy k. Talat kai thn epomenh sto grafeio toy E/k hgeth. Ayto qa dwsei to mhnyma oti den foboyntai oi hgetes thn epafh.

ER: H symfwnia ths 8hs Ioylioy den pisteyete oti apotelei mia nea bash gia th lysh;

KQ: H Symfwnia Gkampari einai mia diadikastikh symfwnia. O OHE stis teleytaies ekqeseis tonizei thn anagkh na pame sthn oysia toy Kypriakoy. Apo ton Ioylh toy 2006 exei perasei enamisi xronos. Exoyn ginei panw apo penhnta epafes metajy toy k. Tziwnh kai toy k. Perteb. H symfwnia exei ejantlhsei ta oria ths den mporei an parajei pleon apotelesmata. Prepei na mpoyme sthn oysia toy Kypriakoy den mas pairnei allo o xronos. Proteinw ws nea afethria to Marth meta tis ekloges.

ER: Meta kai thn eisodo toy Marioy Matsakh sthn anametrhsh syzhteitai syxna to qema ths eilikrineias twn basikwn ypochfiwn oson afora thn proteinomenh lysh

KQ: O k. Matsakhs kanei mia swsth diagnwsh toy problhmatos kai einai peripoy taytoshmh h analysh mas. Oi epiloges poy exoyme mprosta mas einai dyo. Eite pame se dizwnikh dikoinotikh lysh eite pame sta dyo krath. Aplws, o k. Matsakhs kanei epilogh twn dyo kratwn kai egw kanw epilogh ths dizwnikhs, dikoinotikhs omospondias. Epomenws se ayto to shmeio ta pragmata einai kaqara kai gia toys dyo mas. Se kapoioys omws apo toys alloys ypochfioys einai fanero oti h proshlwsh sto qema ths dikoinotikhs, dizwnikhs omospondias einai perissotero frastikh para oysiastikh.

ER: Oson afora tis sxeseis me toys T/k, symmerizeste thn apoch pws apetyxe h epanaproseggish; Qewreite oti ferei kapoian eyqynh h diakybernhsh Klhridh;

KQ: H Kybernhsh Klhridh enqarryne tis prospaqeies epanaproseggishs. Omws, synolika yparxoyn eyqynes se oloys mas gia ena pragma: Den proetoimasan ton kypriako lao gia to ti shmainei dizwnikh dikoinotikh omospondia kai politikh isothta, kai thn wra poy hrqe ayto to qema mprosta toy, htan anetoimos na to yioqethsei. H Kybernhsh Klhridh, enocei toy gegonotos oti plhsiazame pros kapoia lysh, qa mporoyse egkaira na proetoimasei ton kypriako lao gia na thn dexqei. Fysika, den exw kamia amfibolia oti, ean o k. Klhridhs htan o Proedros poy qa diaxeirizotan to apotelesma toy dhmochfismatos qa htan pros thn kateyqynsh toy ``nai`` anti toy ``oxi``.

ER: H sxesh me toys T/k dhmioyrgei ena aisqhma anasfaleias, enw ta metra oikodomhshs empistosynhs (Kanonismos Prasinhs Grammhs) den fainetai na yioqetoyntai. Apo th dikh sas empeiria ti exete na peite;

KQ: To anoigma twn odofragmatwn katerreyse toys myqoys. Tosa xronia den exei anoijei myth. Ektos apo elaxista peristatika me kapoioys anegkefaloys stis dyo pleyres den epixeirhqhke opoiadhpote biaiopragia. Jerw kai apo proswpikh empeiria tis polles filies kai sxeseis metajy oikogeneiwn poy exoyn anaptyxqei.

ER: Ti ginetai omws sto hgetiko epipedo;

Yparxoyn dyskolies ekei poy parembainei h ejoysia. O Kanonismos ths Prasinhs Grammhs den exei leitoyrghsei se o,ti afora tis dynatothtes poy hqele na anoijei gia emporikes sxeseis. Kai o logos einai oti af eaytoy exei sobares dyskolies kai adynamies, oi opoies den epitrepoyn ayth thn amfidromh sxesh. Me kalh qelhsh jepernioyntai ta problhmata. Alla egw protassw thn oysia. Thn anagkh na jeperasoyme to kyriws problhma. Lysh to 2008.

ER: Poios qa einai o moxlos poy qa peisei thn Toyrkia na proselqei sto trapezi twn diapragmateysewn.

KQ: Prepei na syneidhtopoihsoyme th megalh allagh sthn Toyrkia me thn anodo toy Erntogan sthn ejoysia. Prohgoymenws, Mpoylent Etzebit kai Raoyf Ntenktas elegan ena pragma: To Kypriako exei lyqei epi toy edafoys to 1974. Htan mia apolyth qesh poy exei diaforopoihqei. H sygkyria ths taytoxronhs paroysias Erntogan Talat einai qetikh gia thn prowqhsh toy Kypriakoy. Oloi oi paragontes poy ephreazoyn tis ejelijeis sthn Toyrkia politikoi, stratiwtikoi kai katesthmeno qeloyn kai exoyn kanei epilogh thn entajh sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh kai jeroyn oti me alyto to Kypriako qa exoyn kapoia problhmata.

ER: Yparxoyn foboi gia th symbiwsh, kaqws kai mia diafainomenh diamaxh Agkyras ceydokratoys gia toys epoikoys. Pws symbibazontai ola ayta gia na yparjei lysh; Mhpws oi epidiwjeis sas den sthrizontai stis pragmatikothtes;

KQ: Sthrizontai akribws stis pragmatikothtes. Einai katalytikos o paragontas xronos. Ean lyname to Kypriako pente xronia meta to 1974 qa eixame na kanoyme me, isws, merikes ekatontades epoikwn. Shmera, eimai sigoyros oti akoma den einai perissoteroi apo toys T/k, alla se baqos xronoy mh lyomenoy toy Kypriakoy, kindyneyoyme oxi na einai mono perissoteroi apo toys T/k, alla kai apo toys E/k. Kai sigoyra ayto to problhma den enoxlei mono emas, enoxlei kai toys T/k, oi opoioi polles fores exoyn ekfrasei th diamartyria toys.

ER: Poso kaqoristikos einai o rolos poy paizei to sxedio Anan twra me tis ekloges;

KQ: Ayto to sxedio qa einai synexws panw sto trapezi, den mporei na entafiastei opws den entafiasthkan kai ta prohgoymena. Fysika ginetai prospaqeia apo pleyras toy k. Papadopoyloy na ekmetalleyqei to gegonos ths pleiochfias toy ``oxi`` apenanti se ayto to sxedio, alla egw toy antapantw oti mas yposxeqhke kalyteres hmeres apo aytes poy perieixe to sxedio Anan. Omws, ekeino poy blepoyme einai oti exoyme fqasei sto para ena ths dixotomhshs. Dipla apo thn Kypriakh Dhmokratia exei anaptyxqei mia Taiban ths Mesogeioy.

ER: Kerdizei edafos h idea ths dixotomhshs;

KQ: Einai anhsyxhtiko. Oxi mono stoys E/k, alla dystyxws arxise kai stoys T/k na kerdizei kapoio edafos h idea enos beloydinoy diazygioy, h idea ``ekeinoi ap ekei kai emeis ap edw``. Enw oi T/k, anebazontas sthn ejoysia ton k. Talat, aperrican tote thn idea toy diaxwrismoy, dystyxws merika xronia meta o Raoyf Ntenktas fainetai sta matia kapoiwn na dikaiwnetai. To xeirotero, omws, einai oti arxise kai h dieqnhs koinothta kapoy na syzhta ayto to qema.

ER: Ma an blepei kai h dieqnhs koinothta ayth thn apoch na antanakla th syneidhsh ths pleiochfias giati na mhn ginei sebasth;

KQ: Eimai apo ekeinoys poy agwnisthkan se olh th zwh moy, na pw twra gia 40 xronia, gia na apotrapei h dixotomhsh. Den mporw na symbibastw me thn idea ths dixotomhshs kai an akoma kapoios moy anaptyjei epixeirhmata oti mporei na einai h monh enapomeinasa lysh. Otan exw syndesei thn proswpikh moy istoria me 40 xronia agwna enantia sth dixotomhsh, yper ths eirhnikhs symbiwsh twn dyo koinothtwn, sto koino mellon, se mian koinh patrida, den mporw na yioqethsw shmera allh proseggish. Etsi, na me sygxwresoyn osoi exoyn diaforetikh gnwmh.

YDATIKO ESWTERIKH DIAKYBERNHSH -------------------------------------------------- ER: Ena apo ta slogkan poy xrhsimopoihsate htan ``meta to ydatiko einai to Kypriako'';

KQ: O poliths moy edwse th dynatothta se pente xronia ypoyrgikhs paroysias na exw mia symbolh sto ydatiko kai qelw na moy dwsei thn eykairia na exw kai mia syneisfora sto Kypriako. Ayth h Kybernhsh, epanapayqeisa gia dyo synexeis xronies se megalh broxoptwsh poy yperxeilisan ta fragmata, ekane laqos ypologismoys kai egkataleifqhkan ola ta sxedia. Den einai h anombria poy ftaiei epeidh qa exoyme perikopes, alla h anombria politikhs swsths proseggishs. Egkateleican tis afalatwseis, thn paroxh neroy anakyklwmenoy stoys agrotes kai toys edinan apo ta fragmata, me apotelesma shmera na exoyn katanthsei lasph. Einai politika egklhmatikos o xeirismos poy ekane h Kybernhsh. Epomenws, zhtw apo ton Kyprio chfoforo na moy dwsei jana th dynatothta na xeiristw to ydatiko kai toy yposxomai oti qa lysoyme me ikanopoihtiko tropo jana to problhma.

ER: Exete diatypwsei qeseis ef` oloy toy fasmatos ths eswterikhs diakybernhshs

KQ: Ekeino poy mporw na ferw sto myalo moy einai tis dyspragoyses omades toy plhqysmoy, ekeinoys poy den exoyn to swsto meridio apo th megalh anaptyjh poy exoyme ta teleytaia xronia kai ekei epikentrwnomai kai aytoi einai oi syntajioyxoi, oi monogoneikes oikogeneies, oi polyteknoi, oi prosfyges, oloi aytoi oi opoioi exoyn ligotero meridio sthn anaptyjh apo o,ti qa eprepe me ena swsto koinwniko kratos. Qewrw pws einai dikh moy protash kai yioqethqhke kai apo alloys to oti efyge apo th mesh ekeino to epixeirhma poy elege oti ``den mporoyme na ayjhsoyme tis syntajeis dioti den antexei to Tameio Koinwnikwn Asfalisewn``. Egw proteina, kai htan h prwth fora poy akoysthke mia tetoia protash, ayto to prosqeto baros na mhn to analabei to Tameio, alla na to analabei o Kratikos Proypologismos.

ER: Se ayth th diadromh ths proeklogikhs ekstrateias brhkate aphxhsh stis qeseis sas;

KQ: Proqesh moy einai na balw mprosta ston chfoforo ayth thn epilogh. Jerw oti den einai eykolh epilogh, jerw oti perissotero o kosmos aresketai sta cemata poy ton boleyoyn para stis alhqeies poy ton dyskoleyoyn. Etsi den einai eykolh ayth h prospaqeia. Omws qa fanei sthn kalph.

ER: Meta tis ekloges poio qa einai to politiko sas mellon;

KQ: Den filodojw na exw politiko mellon entonhs drasthriothtas. Apo to 1973 den ekana allo epaggelma sth zwh moy, afoy yphrethsa thn politikh kai apo emmisqes qeseis. Qewrw oti 35 xronia einai arketa. Den exw proswpikes politikes filodojies. Exw, omws, mia filodojia na dw thn Kypro na epanenwnetai. Ean thn dw na dixotomeitai, gia mena ayto qa einai apotyxia agwna, syllogikoy kai proswpikoy, 35 xronwn. Etsi, an mporw na diadramatisw ena rolo, qa einai rolos pros thn kateyqynsh na erqoyn jana mazi oi dyo koinothtes, na fygoyn apo ta myala toys oi opoiesdhpote dixotomikes diaqeseis kai na synergastoyn gia thn epanenwsh ths Kyproy. Ayth einai h monh politikh moy filodojia kai shmera kai qa einai kai meta apo tis ekloges.

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